respect and virginity

[GoldenKingGaze]

As from the OP, the issue is one of gaining respect, and perhaps a change of status over the decades. I would say, they get less disrespect who lose their virginity. It is more common, or more hidden. My dad tells me things have not changed for a worsening of morals. But adoption is down like 90%.

Premarital sex effects the sense of attachments, first love, honour, justice, esteem, and sanctity, the latter is extremely important. As it is written we should come out from among them and touch no unclean thing.

Welded, spirit, soul tied, and from it comes the word wedded. It is important to be sanctified. Should not be married to a group.

I respect a holy and clean heart, and one reserved for singular attachment. According to Ruth, it is kind to wait, also the word kind is translated to loyal.

I respect love infinitely more than lust. For me.

Spot the difference. Love is kind, committed, unselfish, enjoys our good...

Lust is called love, selfish, cruel, forms undue attachments, appears kind, but with maybe just the goal of pleasure and having the privilege.

I value honour, and would like the honour of being first love...

Joseph and Mary were said to have waited and Joseph was perhaps 30 when Mary was 16. He was going to privately call off the arranged marriage as the story goes.

Finding fault then with it, Jesus offers living water and life not correction to the Samaritan woman at the well. Refreshing presence of the Spirit, washing, healing, honouring, shame lifting, sanctifying... I am charismatic.

 

[Cain Spencer]

Mods, you are always so happy.

 

[Cain Spencer]

Mods, you are always so happy.

Like mormons.

 

[PASTOR'S WIFE]

I KEEP hearing I think, I like, I this or that BUT what does the WORD say about it? That is all that matters. Our opinions does not change GOD or His Word..

 

[Cain Spencer]

I KEEP hearing I think, I like, I this or that BUT what does the WORD say about it? That is all that matters. Our opinions does not change GOD or His Word..

Our opinions actually shaped the world my girl!

 

[Robinsegg]

I KEEP hearing I think, I like, I this or that BUT what does the WORD say about it? That is all that matters. Our opinions does not change GOD or His Word..

True.

But the OP didn't ask for truth. She asked for opinions about respect.

Rachel

 

[Mling]

Virginity is the traditional sign of a virtuous person of high moral character. Ideally people stay virgins until they get married. Virginity is in that capacity a unique gift shared between the married couple.

And yet, you often find virgins with absolutely perverse minds. And not just people who want to have sex but haven't had the chance--people who commit themselves to "purity," and yet think of nothing but sex, and often in very immoral ways. Check out the "male gynocologist" thread, for an example of somebody who thinks that EMTs giving treatment to people in the middle of a medical emergency is sexual. Google the book "Speak" and you'll find an attempt to ban it because a person committed to purity finds eroticism in phrases like, "No! I don't want this!... He hurts me hurts me hurts me." (That is probably the most graphic line in the book.) It isn't a free-loving hippy who sees soft-core porn in that scene. It's a self-declared protector of virtue.

Heck, I've seen gay porn on anti-gay Christian websites.

 

[Cain Spencer]

And yet, you often find virgins with absolutely perverse minds. And not just people who want to have sex but haven't had the chance--people who commit themselves to "purity," and yet think of nothing but sex, and often in very immoral ways. Check out the "male gynocologist" thread, for an example of somebody who thinks that EMTs giving treatment to people in the middle of a medical emergency is sexual. Google the book "Speak" and you'll find an attempt to ban it because a person committed to purity finds eroticism in phrases like, "No! I don't want this!... He hurts me hurts me hurts me." (That is probably the most graphic line in the book.) It isn't a free-loving hippy who sees soft-core porn in that scene. It's a self-declared protector of virtue.

Heck, I've seen gay porn on anti-gay Christian websites.

...aheh... I've also seen many horrific things in too many sects, yet... what did Paul say? What did he say? Huh? Hmm... about virgins? Yeah.

 

[Cain Spencer]

...aheh... I've also seen many horrific things in too many sects, yet... what did Paul say? What did he say? Huh? Hmm... about virgins? Yeah.

Did anyone actually check what A. Paul says about this?

 

[Mling]

...aheh... I've also seen many horrific things in too many sects, yet... what did Paul say? What did he say? Huh? Hmm... about virgins? Yeah.

What's healthy? Hmm? Hmmmm???? Is it getting off on child rape and bullet wounds? Hmm? Yeeeahhhh....

You point to where Paul said that all sexuality was evil and should be avoided. Show me the verse that says you should repress your sexuality to such a degree that abstainance becomes your idol, to be raised above basic health or the rights of others. If there, tell me why Paul would advocate a position so unhealthy that it leads people to sexualize *everything* because they're working so hard at supressing their humanity that it leaks out all over children, violence and medical nudity.

And while we're at it, tell me why you follow Paul instead of Christ, who never said anything of the sort?

 

[Mling]

Did anyone actually check what A. Paul says about this?

He advocates sex as a good and healthy thing, that should be enthusiastically embraced within marraige.

He also advocates marrying specifically in order to be able to have sex.

He also says that if you're not married, you should stay that way, and if you are, you should stay that way, because the end is coming so soon that there's no point starting anything new.

So far, he's roughly 1 for 3.

 

[Verticordious]

He advocates sex as a good and healthy thing, that should be enthusiastically embraced within marraige.

He also advocates marrying specifically in order to be able to have sex.

He also says that if you're not married, you should stay that way, and if you are, you should stay that way, because the end is coming so soon that there's no point starting anything new.

So far, he's roughly 1 for 3.

Paul statements were made in the context of the upcoming Jewish-Roman wars that occurred not long after his letters were written. In 1 Cor 7:26 he clearly states that his comments on marriage in this section are made “in light of the present distress”. The ‘end’ that Paul refers to is not the end of the world, but the end of the nation of Israel, which happened shortly after his letters were written.

Because of the wars that were about to happen, he felt that taking a spouse at this time would do more harm than good for most people and recommended that they not do so. He also then states that though it may also do more harm than good to remain single if you are someone who is under great temptation from sexual sin, and for those people to get married so that they could have sex without sinning. Neither of these are rules for people to follow, but rather things that people should consider before rushing off to get married.

Sorry, but Paul was 3 for 3.

 

[Beechwell]

Paul statements were made in the context of the upcoming Jewish-Roman wars that occurred not long after his letters were written. In 1 Cor 7:26 he clearly states that his comments on marriage in this section are made “in light of the present distress”. The ‘end’ that Paul refers to is not the end of the world, but the end of the nation of Israel, which happened shortly after his letters were written.

Because of the wars that were about to happen, he felt that taking a spouse at this time would do more harm than good for most people and recommended that they not do so. He also then states that though it may also do more harm than good to remain single if you are someone who is under great temptation from sexual sin, and for those people to get married so that they could have sex without sinning. Neither of these are rules for people to follow, but rather things that people should consider before rushing off to get married.

Sorry, but Paul was 3 for 3.

But why would the 'end' of the nation of Israel matter to the Corinthian Christian community Paul was writing to? And why would getting married do harm at this time?

 

[Verticordious]

But why would the 'end' of the nation of Israel matter to the Corinthian Christian community Paul was writing to? And why would getting married do harm at this time?

My mistake, I was writing quickly and got mixed up where Paul talking about the 'end' and Paul talking about marriage. The end of the nation of Israel is what 'end' Paul was referring in 1st Thessalonians 5, not the end of the world like Mling was implying. The Christians in Corinth were under the persecution of Nero during the time Paul wrote the letter, which would be the distress he was referring to when he was talking about marriage in 1st Corinthians 7.

 

[Mling]

Paul statements were made in the context of the upcoming Jewish-Roman wars that occurred not long after his letters were written. In 1 Cor 7:26 he clearly states that his comments on marriage in this section are made “in light of the present distress”. The ‘end’ that Paul refers to is not the end of the world, but the end of the nation of Israel, which happened shortly after his letters were written.

Because of the wars that were about to happen, he felt that taking a spouse at this time would do more harm than good for most people and recommended that they not do so. He also then states that though it may also do more harm than good to remain single if you are someone who is under great temptation from sexual sin, and for those people to get married so that they could have sex without sinning. Neither of these are rules for people to follow, but rather things that people should consider before rushing off to get married.

Sorry, but Paul was 3 for 3.

To be cliche about it, that's like buying a 747 for the free peanuts.


And he's only right if you deeply explore the subtleties of the surrounding events to figure out how things that sound wrong on the surface could possibly be right. If you're capable of doing that--if the things he says seem wrong, and you're able to explore and analyze until you figure out a way to think about them that sounds right-- then you are clearly starting with a model of rightness already in place, and doing your research to figure out how to make Paul's statements conform to what you know is right. How is this following Paul? Why not just admit that you're following that model, to which you make Paul conform?

Those people I mentioned earlier, the ones who take their beliefs on modesty and sexuality so far that they eroticize real violence and medical nudity, do so because they only have religious ideas in their heads, and no real internal compass to check them against. They hear "preserve modesty" and have no inherent sense of what is healthy and good, so they preserve modesty at all costs, including health and even life. A religious principle ran amok because the person is actually following it, instead of just following common sense and a well-developed internal morality.

If you have the internal morality, and the common sense, and the intelligence and education to read a religious statement and go, "Ehhh...that doesn't sound right. I'm going to go see what that's about..." then why attribute your morality to that thing you read? Clearly your moral compass was in place before you read it.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

The OP refers to current trends, not so much what Paul wrote in Corinthians.

 

[gattaca]

Please please please please please stop using commas. It reminds me of that kid from malcolm in the middle with asthma, and I hate that show.

using commas is good yes?

what is the differences in understanding between this

respect and virginity
I really don’t, believe virgins are, more respected. I really don’t, feel a strong desire, to remain a virgin, for my wedding night. Because I really don’t, feel that marriage is important, in the modern world. Virginity really isn’t, important, because there really isn’t, many good reason, for a person to remain, a virgin. I really don’t, intend to remain, a virgin. A person really shouldn’t, remain a virgin, because I just don’t, feel a relationship between, respect and virginity.

and this

respect and virginity
I really don’t believe virgins are more respected. I really don’t, feel a strong desire to remain a virgin for my wedding night. Because I really don’t feel that marriage is important in the modern world. Virginity really isn’t important because there really isn’t many good reason for a person to remain a virgin. I really don’t intend to remain, a virgin. A person really shouldn’t remain a virgin because I just don’t feel a relationship between respect and virginity.

or this

respect and virginity

I really don’t
believe virgins are
more respected.
I really don’t
feel a strong desire
to remain a virgin
for my wedding night.
Because I really don’t
feel that marriage is important
in the modern world.
Virginity really isn’t
important
because there really isn’t
many good reason, for a person to remain
a virgin. I really don’t
intend to remain
a virgin. A person really shouldn’t
remain a virgin
because I just don’t
feel a relationship between
respect and virginity.



and this



respect and virginity
I really don’t, believe virgins are, more respected. I really don’t, feel a strong desire, to remain a virgin, for my wedding night. Because I really don’t, feel that marriage is important, in the modern world. Virginity really isn’t, important, because there really isn’t, many good reason, for a person to remain, a virgin. I really don’t, intend to remain, a virgin. A person really shouldn’t, remain a virgin, because I just don’t, feel a relationship between, respect and virginity.

 

[onemorequestion]

I still feel like the "no sex before marriage" rule came about because there was no way to avoid having a child, and children before marriage is an actual issue. Now that we have contraception it seems rather moot.

Our cemetaries are filled with people that disregarded the honor of virginity and died by the sexually transmitted diseases of the non-virgin class of people in society, that they thought they could avoid while engaging in the dangerous world of promiscuity.

Not to mention to indepth, most men do not really honor or value a promiscuous woman. They desire a promiscuous woman no more than they do some other transient thought or urgent need to be met and forgotten. Nothing more grand than stuffing down nachos at bar and denying the next day why they have the runs.

 

[onemorequestion]

using commas is good yes?

what is the differences in understanding between this

respect and virginity
I really don’t, believe virgins are, more respected. I really don’t, feel a strong desire, to remain a virgin, for my wedding night. Because I really don’t, feel that marriage is important, in the modern world. Virginity really isn’t, important, because there really isn’t, many good reason, for a person to remain, a virgin. I really don’t, intend to remain, a virgin. A person really shouldn’t, remain a virgin, because I just don’t, feel a relationship between, respect and virginity.

and this

respect and virginity
I really don’t believe virgins are more respected. I really don’t, feel a strong desire to remain a virgin for my wedding night. Because I really don’t feel that marriage is important in the modern world. Virginity really isn’t important because there really isn’t many good reason for a person to remain a virgin. I really don’t intend to remain, a virgin. A person really shouldn’t remain a virgin because I just don’t feel a relationship between respect and virginity.

or this

respect and virginity

I really don’t
believe virgins are
more respected.
I really don’t
feel a strong desire
to remain a virgin
for my wedding night.
Because I really don’t
feel that marriage is important
in the modern world.
Virginity really isn’t
important
because there really isn’t
many good reason, for a person to remain
a virgin. I really don’t
intend to remain
a virgin. A person really shouldn’t
remain a virgin
because I just don’t
feel a relationship between
respect and virginity.



and this



respect and virginity
I really don’t, believe virgins are, more respected. I really don’t, feel a strong desire, to remain a virgin, for my wedding night. Because I really don’t, feel that marriage is important, in the modern world. Virginity really isn’t, important, because there really isn’t, many good reason, for a person to remain, a virgin. I really don’t, intend to remain, a virgin. A person really shouldn’t, remain a virgin, because I just don’t, feel a relationship between, respect and virginity.

M O T H E R

V I R G I N

I can't bring myself to write the opposite.

 

[onemorequestion]

The OP refers to current trends, not so much what Paul wrote in Corinthians.

The OP shows a decayed and decaying society. A consistent history of mankind.

All of our progress and we are still no better then cave dwellers.