Resisting Arrest.....

[dgiharris]

You can also go on YouTube and see cops getting gunned down for simple traffic stops. But please, don’t let me get in the way of the agenda.

So, that justifies tyranny by police? There is an element of risk involved. Who should bear the risk? On one hand you have police with weapons, body armor, radio support, and near unlimited authority by the STATE.

On the other hand you have the citizenry that has no training, no body armor, and in which 99.99999% of which would never shoot a cop at a traffic stop. That number is not contrived, that is what the math works out when applied to the population vs cop shootings.

So, by your post's inference you think it's reasonable for every cop to view every situation as life threatening to the point of being a hair trigger away from shooting a citizen with no "reasonable" suspicion that their life is in imminent danger?

But please, don’t let me get in the way of the agenda.

You actually are getting in the way of my agenda. My agenda is simple. I want a police system and culture that weeds out and stops protecting corrupt, lazy, inept, incompetent, egomaniac bully cops. I want a police culture and system that respects the Constitution and a Citizen's Civil Rights.

That's all I want. When a police officer has reasonable suspicion I'm a huge supporter of police. When an officer is operating clearly inside the law and exercising prudent judgement again he has my 100% support.

So not sure how you object to my arguments. Right now, police can beat and kill the citizenry over the most trivial of matters and too many like you are either accepting or complicit or engage in sheeple logic like "well, if you just do what police tell you then there would be no problems"

And to that I counter, "what's the point of civil rights and the Constitution if they don't apply 100% of the time, especially when it matters".

I saw an elderly white lady get pulled over for speeding. She refused to sign the ticket, tore the ticket up and threw it at the cop. So, we have the trivial offense of speeding which is a $75 fine and the trivial offense of littering which is a $50 - $250 fine. The cop has her information and everything is on camera. So why not write her another ticket and let the courts dock her pay if she refuses to pay? But no, instead the State feels it is perfectly reasonable to taser this woman and arrest her and throw her in jail.

And I submit that is 100% wrong and unnecessary. If you believe in the Constitution, if you understand what liberty and freedom truly mean, then I don't understand how you can argue against me. I do not understand the logic that sides with police so cavalierly using lethal force because maybe this is the 0.00001% occurrence where the officer can be shot?

This is lunacy on the point of insanity.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

A person who guns down a cop for a simple traffic stop is a murderer, a criminal.

You were saying?

I was saying there is more on YouTube than just cops gunning down innocent people. And like I said, BACK TO YOUR AGENDA!

 

[Aryeh Jay]

So, that justifies tyranny by police? There is an element of risk involved. Who should bear the risk? On one hand you have police with weapons, body armor, radio support, and near unlimited authority by the STATE.

On the other hand you have the citizenry that has no training, no body armor, and in which 99.99999% of which would never shoot a cop at a traffic stop. That number is not contrived, that is what the math works out when applied to the population vs cop shootings.

So, by your post's inference you think it's reasonable for every cop to view every situation as life threatening to the point of being a hair trigger away from shooting a citizen with no "reasonable" suspicion that their life is in imminent danger?



You actually are getting in the way of my agenda. My agenda is simple. I want a police system and culture that weeds out and stops protecting corrupt, lazy, inept, incompetent, egomaniac bully cops. I want a police culture and system that respects the Constitution and a Citizen's Civil Rights.

That's all I want. When a police officer has reasonable suspicion I'm a huge supporter of police. When an officer is operating clearly inside the law and exercising prudent judgement again he has my 100% support.

So not sure how you object to my arguments. Right now, police can beat and kill the citizenry over the most trivial of matters and too many like you are either accepting or complicit or engage in sheeple logic like "well, if you just do what police tell you then there would be no problems"

And to that I counter, "what's the point of civil rights and the Constitution if they don't apply 100% of the time, especially when it matters".

I saw an elderly white lady get pulled over for speeding. She refused to sign the ticket, tore the ticket up and threw it at the cop. So, we have the trivial offense of speeding which is a $75 fine and the trivial offense of littering which is a $50 - $250 fine. The cop has her information and everything is on camera. So why not write her another ticket and let the courts dock her pay if she refuses to pay? But no, instead the State feels it is perfectly reasonable to taser this woman and arrest her and throw her in jail.

And I submit that is 100% wrong and unnecessary. If you believe in the Constitution, if you understand what liberty and freedom truly mean, then I don't understand how you can argue against me. I do not understand the logic that sides with police so cavalierly using lethal force because maybe this is the 0.00001% occurrence where the officer can be shot?

This is lunacy on the point of insanity.

I don’t have a problem with your post and am not trying to argue against you, that is why I just quoted the YouTube part.

 

[Dave-W]

 

[Moxie123]

Do we have a legal right to resist arrest for a crime we did not commit?

It doesn't get any clearer than the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

If you are being arrested for a crime you did not commt can you resist arrest and not be indicted for it? Not asking if it is smart thing to do, just whether you believe it is legal or not.

You have every right to resist if you are willing to be jailed. (This also depends on where you are arrested. If at home, you have stronger technique in defending your rights and avoiding arrest. Whole other topic.) Decide now how you will follow though in court.

Keep in mind that you don't know how long they will detain you, could be 24 hours, could be a month.

Resisting arrest is only a misdemeanor, but if your court technique is air tight, it will be dropped.

 

[Moxie123]

"Police power [though broad] does not justify any act which violates prohibitions of state or Federal Constitutions." [Panhandle Eastern Pipeline Co. v. State Highway Commission, 294 U.S. 613; Buchanan v. Warley, 245 U.S. 60.]

"It is well-settled that the Constitutional rights protected from invasion by the police power, include rights safeguarded both by express and implied prohibitions in the Constitutions." [Tiche v. Osborne, 131 A 60.]

 

[Radrook]

Do you cherish the structural integrity of your teef and skull configuration?
Then it is best not to resist arrest. Seek a lawyer instead. That increases the chances of emerging from the experience fully intact.

 

[Moxie123]

go along with their arrest, and then sue them for unlawful arrest!

Good option.

 

[Dave-W]

Do you cherish the structural integrity of your teef and skull configuration?

"What the man says is always right
He'll lock you up so you can't fight
There is no way of getting around it
He'll cuff your hands and then
your head he'll pound it. "

"You Can't Win" by Iron Butterfly 1967

 

[Moxie123]

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[Aryeh Jay]

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[Moxie123]

I have to remember this if I ever rob a bank.

Better hope there's no witnesses willing to testify while you commit trespass, or your goose will be cooked.

Big difference from crossing a double-solid which is not a sin before God and causes no harm to man.

 

[Moxie123]

Posted in wrong thread, sorry!