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Republican Jesus

Discussion in 'General Politics' started by parousia70, Mar 18, 2021.

  1. hislegacy

    hislegacy At the great Pyramids

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    Example. The three scriptures you quoted are the same conversation. Jesus plainly says. “Render into Cesar what is cesar’s

    No mention whatsoever about complaining or not complaining. Half your complaint is in error

    There is also no instruction about how much to pay, only to pay what is due.

    Lowering taxes is not mentioned so there is a second fallacy of the comparison.

    Your illustration fails on both points.
     
  2. hislegacy

    hislegacy At the great Pyramids

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    Matt 18:6 “But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea.7 Woe to the world because ofoffenses! For offenses must come, but woe to that man by whom the offense comes!

    it would be like quoting these words of Jesus and say the Democratic Party is in violation of these by promoting trans and homosexuality to young children.

    Live by the sword, die by the sword
     
  3. Hammster

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  4. parousia70

    parousia70 Livin' in yesterday's tomorrow Supporter

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  5. parousia70

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    I disagree.

    Regardless, The onus is not on me to prove a negative - though I understand you would like me to in order to deflect from your inability to demonstrate the positive per the OP ask.
     
  6. hislegacy

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    Jesus’ words do not support the accusation, plain and simple to see.
     
  7. parousia70

    parousia70 Livin' in yesterday's tomorrow Supporter

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    Again, I need not prove a negative.
    That we’re 66 posts in, and there’s barely one example that demonstrates the positive, and a dubious one at best, has supplied my project with ample data.

    Thx for playing along
     
  8. renniks

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    Jesus expressed love for little children. I don't think he approves of abortion.
     
  9. parousia70

    parousia70 Livin' in yesterday's tomorrow Supporter

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    What did he say about abortion specifically?
    It was certainly taking place in His day and He most certainly knew about it happening in the communities He dwelt among.

    Especially since the OT prescribes the ingestion of abortifacients given to women by priests in suspected cases of pregnancy via adultery. (Numbers 5:11-28)

    Jesus surely was not ignorant of Abortion during his earthly ministry.

    Surly He must have addressed it specifically in a sermon or two, no?
     
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  10. hislegacy

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    you asked for a positive, when asked for example you presented negatives and those not contextually correct.
     
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  11. renniks

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    Numbers 5 isn't about abortion. How do you even get that from it? It's about a punishment for adultery, which depending on what translation you read was most likely a physical disfigurement. If it was a miscarriage it was a punishment for sin. Who would use a passage about your baby being killed as a punishment to the woman to try and support abortion rights? Someone who had not understood the passage at all, I suppose.

    I'm not aware of any passage where Jesus specifically addresses abortion.
     
  12. iarwain

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    Good point.

    Also a good point. Jesus came to fulfill the law, not do away with it, and as you say He referenced the Old Testament frequently. You can't separate Jesus from the rest of the Bible. Doing so would not be a good representation of Christianity.
     
  13. Hammster

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    “You have heard that the ancients were told, ‘You shall not commit murder’ and ‘Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.’ But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘You good-for-nothing,’ shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.
    Matthew 5:21-22
     
  14. The Barbarian

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    Seems to me that arguing that every person is endowed with certain rights, would not qualify as "promoting."

    But if it is,then America's founders are guilty.
     
  15. hislegacy

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    Thank you for your opinion.

    We disagree - children do not have a number of"rights" -

    They can't drive a car
    They can't vote
    They cannot enter a contract
    They cannot give consent for sex
    They cannot purchase spray paint
    They cannot purchase alcohol or tobacco
    They cannot choose where they live.
    They cannot get a tattoo
    They cannot get a body piercing


    To say that surgical and chemical mutilation is acceptable for a child to determine is ludicrous in my opinion.

    From a Christian perspective it is in direct conflict with the Words of Christ - which is what we are talking about.
     
  16. The Barbarian

    The Barbarian Crabby Old White Guy

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    Seems to me that arguing that every person is endowed with certain rights, would not qualify as "promoting."

    But if it is,then America's founders are guilty.

    It's not my opinion...
    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
    Preamble to the Declaration of Independence

    That would explain many of your posts.

    Many rights belong only to certain people. For example, only citizens have the right to vote. But everyone has all the rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights.

    No one has a right to drive a car. It's a privilege, subject to a number of conditions.

    See above. You've assumed "certain rights" mean "right to do anything at all."

    Show me where Christ denied that all humans have certain rights. I don't find it in my Bible.
     
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  17. hislegacy

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    Jesus didn’t speak of rights outside of the Covenant of Salvation.

    you can keep changing the focus, but it does not disprove what I wrote.
     
  18. hislegacy

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    Here is the post I assume you are addressing.

    When you reply in context to what was said, I’ll respond. Anything else is just deflecting the point of my post.
     
  19. The Barbarian

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    Show me where Christ denied that all humans have certain rights. I don't find it in my Bible.

    This one:
    The Barbarian said:

    Seems to me that arguing that every person is endowed with certain rights, would not qualify as "promoting."

    But if it is,then America's founders are guilty.


    You replied:

    Or were you just deflecting?
     
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