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Republican Jesus

Discussion in 'General Politics' started by parousia70, Mar 18, 2021.

  1. Halbhh

    Halbhh Everything You say is Life to me Supporter

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    If we think to ask "what did Jesus say to do when your group is attacked physically?", and if someone wants an actual narrow specific answer in a verse, then I think the best thing is to ask the person to consider and think about Matthew 7:12. ... To ask, what is just defense and what does it look like.

    Isn't there too much faith in using guns? The wording is that guns are a "right"....

    But this below is more real:

    The murder of Renisha McBride, a 19-year-old black female teenager, occurred on November 2, 2013, in Dearborn Heights, Michigan, United States. Renisha McBride crashed her car while intoxicated at a street in Detroit, and then walked to a neighborhood in Dearborn Heights where she knocked on the door of a house. The homeowner, Theodore Wafer, shot McBride with a shotgun. Wafer contended that the shooting was accidental and that he thought his home was being broken into after he heard her banging on his door at 4:42 in the morning.[2]
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    Wafer was convicted of second-degree murder on August 7, 2014,[4] and received a sentence of 17 to 32 years in prison.
    Murder of Renisha McBride

    A response to hearing Matthew 7:12 can be to just to think on it, and think "yes" or "Amen!"
     
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  2. The Barbarian

    The Barbarian Crabby Old White Guy

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    I grieve for everyone in this tragedy. Mostly for the victim, but also for the killer. Both of them made terrible decisions; one lost her life, and the other's life is now in ruins.

    The only take-away is that stupidity kills. And yes, if anyone is wondering, racism is stupid as well as evil.
     
  3. parousia70

    parousia70 Livin' in yesterday's tomorrow Supporter

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    Which is why I find it odd that we can't (so far) find a single Republican Politician (the vast majority of which identify as Christian) Who hasn't completely refused to support, promote or defend the teachings that Jesus actually Spoke while he walked the earth (of which they are myriad, vast, instructive, edifying and plentiful) in a way that codifies or even attempts to codify them into law.

    Why only take, as you said, "selected pieces", and why purposefully "de-select" any and every teaching He directly gave while He walked the earth?

    The only answer I can come up with (so far) is that those specific teachings of Jesus are antithetical to the mission, vision and values of the Republican Party.

    However, I remain hopeful someone can demonstrate this is not the case.
     
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  4. Tree of Life

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    Nearly all of what Jesus said was not spoken directly to governments, but to individual disciples and to the church as a collective. What makes you think we can take Jesus’ commands to individuals and legislate them as governing bodies?
     
  5. Tree of Life

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    For example, Jesus commanded his disciples to not resist the one who is evil but to turn the other cheek. Would it be appropriate to abolish the court system based on this command?
     
  6. Hammster

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    Are you looking for bills that actually quote Jesus, or just ones that support something He taught?
     
  7. hislegacy

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    I think the difficulty is found in the very specific perimeters you have set for your query. Jesus was the Word made flesh - The four Gospels covered approximately 18 - 22 months of Jesus time on earth. If you consider the synoptics (where the same message is in multiple books), there is really very little of Jesus' words. 148 times in the Gospels Jesus quoted Old Testament scriptures.

    By your own specific requirements neither party can lay any claim to support, promote or defend the teaching that Jesus actually spoke while he walked the earth.
     
  8. hislegacy

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    Example:

    Matt 5:20 "21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire."
    Jesus is NOT addressing secular law. (which is what you are asking), so neither the Democratic Party nor that Republican can lay claim to any laws regarding murder.

    You have posted a question that cannot be answered by either party.
     
  9. hislegacy

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    Perhaps this will help the discussion

    Can you cite a Republican who has completely refused to support, promote or defend a teaching that Jesus actually spoke?

    Which teaching and who did this action?

    Examples of what you are referring to would be most helpful.
     
  10. Halbhh

    Halbhh Everything You say is Life to me Supporter

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    Just 1 individual Republican? Yes, of course, quite easily. (and also could for a democrat, it's both parties)

    But is that a good thing to do?

    My thought is it is only good to point out the wrong of someone in a situation where pointing out that wrong is helpful. And it takes care also, since it's not helpful to appear as if being judging, so one has to word it carefully or verbosely to make it clear one is not just singling out 1 lone sinner as if everyone else is guiltless.
     
  11. hislegacy

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    If it quite easy to do - please do so.

    The accusation was made - if it can be supported, then it lends to the OP's credibility - I don't think one should just throw out a blanket accusation without having the wherewithal to support the claim. That is what would be helpful in understanding what the poster is looking for and referring to.

    All judging set aside.
     
  12. parousia70

    parousia70 Livin' in yesterday's tomorrow Supporter

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    Either, but the Latter will do. Support, defend, or promote.

    And I'll even expand it to to include official Republican party internal/external policies or mission/values statements that reference any of those teachings.
     
  13. hislegacy

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    Can you please help clarify:

    Second request: to support your claim

     
  14. Halbhh

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    Since the particular thing asked was only to give just 1 example of only 1 republican saying something directly against the teaching of our Lord -- if that was it, that's a very common type of sin in modern America, so I'm not sure I understood correctly.

    But just 1 instance of such a serious mistake? Well, haven't we all done that, said something seriously wrongful to say?

    Haven't we all sinned in that way, or something very much like it?

    Anyway, here's just 1 instance:
    “We have people coming into the country or trying to come in, we're stopping a lot of them, but we're taking people out of the country. You wouldn't believe how bad these people are," ____ [Republican] said. "These aren't people. These are animals."
    Trump on immigrants: 'These aren't people. These are animals.'

    Through the Holy Spirit our Lord -- as Christians we generally all believe in the Trinity, so this is from Christ -- teaches us:

    1 Corinthians 6:10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

    So, since calling even sinners 'animals' is a reviling, then this was a public statement directly against the teaching of our Lord. That it was a public statement (instead of a private one) matters, in that it tries to influence other people, listeners.

    We've all done sins though. Not just that individual Republican in this instance. Probably most every member of Congress has done some essential evil statement at some time. (Though we'd hope not very often in a public speech or news conference, where a lot are listening).
     
  15. hislegacy

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    Doesn't answer the question - first the Republican wasn't speaking of a bill, but a group of people who murdered and dismembered woman and children. Then offering an opinion.

    Second - 1 Corinthians is not Jesus' words as required in the OP.

    Care to try again?
     
  16. Halbhh

    Halbhh Everything You say is Life to me Supporter

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    Christ said through the Holy Spirit not to revile others, even if they are sinners. We all have sinned, also.
     
  17. hislegacy

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    Here is the original accusation in context:

    Your reply fails to address the accusation - please re-read.

    Neither does this:


    The OP is asking for specific instances and you are speaking in concepts - which he has refused to hear because it did not come from the Red Letters.

    Let's keep with apples and apples shall we?
     
  18. Halbhh

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  19. parousia70

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    Sure.
    Teaching: Jesus commands us to pay our taxes in full and without complaint Matthew 22:15-22, Luke 20:20-26, Mark 12:13-17

    Antithetical Republican Policy:
    Complain about and attempt to reduce the amount of tax one pays.

    Teaching: Jesus make clear that only those who provide comfort to tired, hungry, sick or imprisoned “strangers” will ascend to heaven. On the other hand, those who deny aid to strangers in need are doomed to “eternal punishment.” Matthew 25:31-46,

    Antithetical Republican Policy: Pretty much ANY and ALL Republican Immigration Policies you can point to, but here's a specific one:
    Trump rule restricting asylum seekers struck down by court

    Teaching of Jesus: “it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

    Antithetical Republican Policies favoring the Rich and Promoting and facilitating the accumulation of Great wealth:

    Rather than work to shape a federal tax code requires the rich to pay what they owe, they passed a nearly $2 trillion tax cut that was deliberately designed to provide massive cuts to millionaires, billionaires, and corporations while leaving crumbs for the rest of the nation.

    Despite being sold as a middle class tax cut that would benefit individuals and families across the country, 83 percent of the $1.9 trillion tax cut are projected to go to the top 1 percent of the population.

    That is obscene at any time, but especially in an economic environment in which The top 10 percent of income earners have seen their overall median net worth increase by almost 200 percent since 1995, while the bottom 40 percent of income earners have experienced a decline in median net worth over the same period.

    At a time when corporate profits have never been higher, and when the top 1 percent of Americans is doing better than any time since the Gilded Age, the architects of the Republican tax bill decided that our tax code asked too much of the wealthy, not too little, and that the poor and middle class did not really need any tax relief.

    Teaching of Jesus: Heal the Sick for Free, Matthew 10:8

    Antithetical republican Policy: Oppose Universal Health Care and support the Unethical Promotion of the amassing of Profits off the back of the Sickness and Injury of the citizenry, at the detriment of the delivery of care and Doctor patient relationships

    I am still waiting for a Republican Policy, legislative proposal or implemented Law that PROMOTES, SUPPORTS or otherwise DEFENDS even ONE Teaching Given by Jesus Christ while He walked the earth.

    And this is more than my 2nd Request.

    If you can't find one, its' OK to say so.
     
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  20. hislegacy

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    Ah Marik von Rennenkampff and the Hill. Now I have a frame of reference

    thank you.

    are you open to conversation on those points, or is that a useless venture.
     
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