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[Nathan Poe]

Have you read the list of endangered or extinct species? "Evolution" does not seem to be working very good to keep them alive.

It is now midnight. I shall be laughing until noon.

Didn't you in your vanity claim to know more about evolution than 95% of the population?

You cannot prove a theory wrong by showing exactly what we'd expect would happen if it were right.

Evolution is like the NBA playoffs: Most teams don't make it to the finals.

Environments change, and many species cannot adapt fast enough to deal with it. Those that do not, die out.

...which is precisely what Charles Darwin said would happen.


Congrats, Johnny, you've proven Natural Selection correct. For your next trick, prove gravity.

Now move along, folks; Show's over. Nothing to see here.

 

[JohnR7]

Basically, creationism is the theory that God zapped plants and animals into existence within defined limits -- kinds -- out which the plants and animals can't change.

God "zapped" them into existance? Like I said, you know very little about creation "theory", because you know so little about your Bible.

I will get you started though, because I do not want to leave you in the dark.

John 1:1-5
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2] The same was in the beginning with God. [3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. [4] In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [5] And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

We will start here with the word: "word", logos in the Greek. Begin to do a study on that, because if you do not understand the concept of what a logos is, you will not understand creationism.

In fact, you will not really understand evolution either.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Your a very poor loser Nathan, why don't you just admit it, the vast majority of evolutionary science is nonsense. Even evolutions themselves admit to that.

You just get upset if the evidence is used in a way to make evolution look bad.

The facts are still the facts, if it makes evolutionary science look good or not.

Facts are facts, and one day you will be able and willing to present a single one without either misunderstanding or misrepresenting it.

I won't be holding my breath.

 

[JohnR7]

Environments change, and many species cannot adapt fast enough to deal with it. Those that do not, die out.

...which is precisely what Charles Darwin said would happen.

Nice theory Nathan but your pop science does not pan out on this one.

While it maybe true that due to a "greenhouse effect" or whatever there is a more rapid change in the world tempture than what would normally take place, this could account for the increase in the extinction rate of the species.

The problem with this is that during the Pleistocene extinctions there is just no clear evidence that you can blame mankind for that extinction.
The change in world tempeture took place at pretty much the same rate that it always has, and yet mass extinction still took place.

So much for Nathan's pop science theorys.

 

[JohnR7]

Facts are facts, and one day you will be able and willing to present a single one without either misunderstanding or misrepresenting it.

I won't be holding my breath.

I think you guys need to get together on this one.
One of you is saying that I am not presenting any fact, and another one of you is saying that I mispresent the facts. Now what is it.

Of course you are going to say I misrepresent them, because the facts do not support evoluionary theory as you would like them to. Facts are facts and they either support man's theorys or they do not. In this case, the facts simply do not support your pop science version of evolutionary theory.

Nothing personal Nathan, it is a good arguement, but we would not have a discusson if I did not present the opposing viewpoint.
If we did not discuss the issues, then what would be the use of this board?

 

[The Bellman]

I think you guys need to get together on this one.
One of you is saying that I am not presenting any fact, and another one of you is saying that I mispresent the facts. Now what is it.

Of course you are going to say I misrepresent them, because the facts do not support evoluionary theory as you would like them to. Facts are facts and they either support man's theorys or they do not. In this case, the facts simply do not support your pop science version of evolutionary theory.

Nothing personal Nathan, it is a good arguement, but we would not have a discusson if I did not present the opposing viewpoint.
If we did not discuss the issues, then what would be the use of this board?

Jeez, John...you're really looking bad here. Of course, if you misrepresent facts, you don't present any facts...you present a misrepresentation of some facts. Don't you understand that?

You have no idea about evolutionary theory, or, indeed, any science at all. This would be forgivable if you were a newbie; however, you have had ample opportunity to learn, as many knowledgable people on the subject have attempted to educate you. Obviously, you don't want to learn, and are content to remain ignorant and argue against the strawman version of evolution you create. If you want to remain incorrect, then you're doing fine. Go for it. Just don't expect anyone on these boards to take you seriously.

 

[Ryal Kane]

I think you guys need to get together on this one.
One of you is saying that I am not presenting any fact, and another one of you is saying that I mispresent the facts. Now what is it.

This reminds me of a Homer Simpson quote.
"First you didn't want me to get the Pony, now you want me
to take it back, make up your mind!"

If I show you a picture of a rabbit and say that it's an elephant, I have both failed to show a picture of a rabbit AND misrepresented a picture of a rabbit.

Now, if the picture was that optical illusion of a rabbit/duck, then there might be room for arguement of interpretation, but denial, evasion and righteous accusation don't convince anyone.

Ryal Kane

 

[JohnR7]

If I show you a picture of a rabbit and say that it's an elephant, I have both failed to show a picture of a rabbit AND misrepresented a picture of a rabbit.

So, did the rabbit evolve into the elephant or did the elephant evolve into the rabbit? I know they use to believe that things went from small to big, I even had people try to argue that here on this board. But now they say that when things evolve they can go from big to small also.

 

[JohnR7]

Jeez, John...you're really looking bad here. Of course, if you misrepresent facts, you don't present any facts...you present a misrepresentation of some facts. Don't you understand that?

No, I do not understand your explaination, is this the Alice in Wonderland version of the theory of evolution?
Did Alice and the Cat evolve from a common species?

Evolution is the cornerstone of modern biology. It unites all the fields of biology under one theoretical umbrella. It is not a difficult concept, but very few people -- the majority of biologists included -- have a satisfactory grasp of it.

According to Talkorigion the majoirity of biologists do not understand biological evolution and you expect me to, when the so called experts do not even understand what Talkorigion says is NOT a "difficult concept".

Now that we got that settled, maybe you can go back to fixing your leaky pipes.

 

[The Bellman]

No, I do not understand your explaination, is this the Alice in Wonderland version of the theory of evolution?
Did Alice and the Cat evolve from a common species?

You have absolutely no clue at all, do you?

 

[DJ_Ghost]

Have you read the list of endangered or extinct species? "Evolution" does not seem to be working very good to keep them alive.

All this does John is serve to furhter underline the fact that you do not understand Evolution one iota, or you would see why these potential extinctions are irrelevant to this discussion.

Mind you it does provide a few questions about why God would let these extinctions occur if creationism has any basis in fact.

After all, if God created by evolution then the extinctions are part of an ever changing process, but if God created by creationism then these extinctions are counter to his divine plan - why create what you can do without.

Ghost

 

[Data]

So, did the rabbit evolve into the elephant or did the elephant evolve into the rabbit? I know they use to believe that things went from small to big, I even had people try to argue that here on this board. But now they say that when things evolve they can go from big to small also.

I refuse to beleive that you've spent so much time on this topic but still know nothing.

 

[DJ_Ghost]

According to Talkorigion the majoirity of biologists do not understand biological evolution and you expect me to,

No I don't expect you to, becasue you have shown you don't. however, what I do expect is that people have more sense than to try and debate a topic they know they don't understand.

Perhaps my standards are too high.

Ghost

 

[Mistermystery]

According to Talkorigion the majoirity of biologists do not understand biological evolution and you expect me to, when the so called experts do not even understand what Talkorigion says is NOT a "difficult concept".

Now that we got that settled, maybe you can go back to fixing your leaky pipes.

Read Lucaspa's responce. Understand his responce. Stop talking nonsense.

Lucaspa has made 9 posts in this thread and explained your question quite nicely in my honest opinion. These responces then triggered you to quotemine 3 of his responces, and made it seem like Lucaspa was attacking you. Something he didn't do.

9 posts versus 3 quotemined ones.

Let's review the 3 posts together shall we?

- post #70: Here we see you dodgeing Lucas's query to produce evidence of your own. Instead you go around this post and misunderstand a quote from talkorigin, which you try to use then to make it seem like evolution is all about hot air. After that you seem to disagree that physical proof is needed, and your biblical "proof" is more then enough.

WRONG!

- Post #71: You take one line(albeit, it is the most stupid line of the 3 I agree, but it was also the most irrelevant one) from his responce (#67) and make it seem like he was attacking you. Bzzt! Wrong again Johnny-boy. He hooked in on your maturity thing you said.

- Post #82: Oh come on. You know that Lucas means that God created them into exsistance. He simply used "zapped" as a slang for created. He knows what genesis says and you calling him ignorant on his bibleknowledge. You're wrong again with this one.

So why don't give the guy some slack and respond to his posts in a mature way?

 

[JohnR7]

Stop talking nonsense.

You got it backwards, it is the pop science of evolution that is nonsense.

 

[JohnR7]

All this does John is serve to furhter underline the fact that you do not understand Evolution one iota,

That would put me right in with the majority of biologists that do not have a satisfactory grasp of it.

 

[Ryal Kane]

So, did the rabbit evolve into the elephant or did the elephant evolve into the rabbit? I know they use to believe that things went from small to big, I even had people try to argue that here on this board. But now they say that when things evolve they can go from big to small also.

It was an example. I could have used a picture of a truck and an ice cream, or a lamp post and a beach ball. My point was in the faulty logic and has nothing to do with evolution.

If your above statement is genuine misunderstanding, rather than deliberately obtuse evasion, then you should know that evolution is not specifically 'small to big' or 'big to small'. It is adaptation to environment. Size can increase, decease or stay the same.

Ryal Kane

 

[Mistermystery]

You got it backwards, it is the pop science of evolution that is nonsense.

Stop talking nonsense and stop quote-mining you fool.

 

[The Bellman]

And this guy wants us to believe that he was actually asked to be a moderator? He can't even debate honestly!

 

[JohnR7]

Stop talking nonsense and stop quote-mining you fool.

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Go straight to jail, do not pass home, so not collect $200.

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