reproductive barriers

[Mechanical Bliss]

But if you say that evolution means one species changed into another species, then your evolutionary theory is false.

Stop saying it and actually demonstrate it for once.

 

[lucaspa]

But if you say that evolution means one species changed into another species, then your evolutionary theory is false.

The data says differently. Including observation of new species forming from existing species.

We are spinning our wheels here, because you do not even know what creationism is, so you have no idea if it is true or false.

Basically, creationism is the theory that God zapped plants and animals into existence within defined limits -- kinds -- out which the plants and animals can't change.

 

[The Bellman]

Put up with what? Your arogance. I produce evidence and proof all the time.
But your going to have to open up your blind eyes to see it, your going to have to take your fingers out of your deaf ears to hear the truth.

You have never produced evidence or proof. Of ANY of your claims.

 

[The Bellman]

It depends on what you mean by evolution. If you define evolution as change, then I do not think anyone will deny that we live in a changing world.
But if you say that evolution means one species changed into another species, then your evolutionary theory is false.

I am talkihng about biological evolution. If you need to know what that is (despite being told many, many times) check any good textbook.

We are spinning our wheels here, because you do not even know what creationism is, so you have no idea if it is true or false.

False. I know what it is; it is false and has been proven to be so.

 

[lucaspa]

As far as "raping the bible", this is a christian forum, so do not be surprised if you run into christians here. As christians we are to be living, walking, talking examples of the Bible. Everything we say, think or do, is done within the guidelines of the Bible.

Then you shouldn't be raping the Bible to have it say things opposite or different from what it really says.

Even we are told that "creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God." (Romans 8:21)

Out of context again. This comes from a chapter where Paul is discussing the role of Jesus in salvation. Verses 18-25 discusses hope and sufferings.

John, when you take verses and pieces of verses out of context to fit with your theory, you are not listening to what God says. Instead, you are telling God what you want Him to say. It is your idea and you distort the Bible to support your man-made idea. Any wonder we don't follow you?

 

[lucaspa]

Evolution is false, not creationism. What little bit of truth that keep a whole pack of lies afloat will all come crashing down one of these days.

If a species is determined by reproductive barriors, then there really is no difference between a species and a biblical kind.

But you say one species can't turn into another. Yet we have observed it happening thousands of times! If God created each kind/species, then one species can't turn into another. But since that happens, creationism must be false.

Since evolution does say that one kind can turn into another kind, and this is observed, evolution must be true.

Now, if you do say that God created species so that one kind can turn into another, you are not talking about creationism anymore but evolution.

 

[lucaspa]

Being of one mind comes with maturity and perfection.
If people are not in agreement, it just means they need to grow up.

You seem to have quite a bit of growing to do.

Not being in agreement can also come from having different data. Atheists and theists have different data, therefore they disagree.

Unfortunately for creationism, the data is the same; they just refuse to accept it.

 

[lucaspa]

Put up with what? Your arogance. I produce evidence and proof all the time.

When? John, please give us an example of what you consider "evidence" and "proof".

But your going to have to open up your blind eyes to see it, your going to have to take your fingers out of your deaf ears to hear the truth.

This sounds like you are considering your misquotes of the Bible to be "evidence" and "proof". It is not in this discussion. You need physical evidence.

 

[lucaspa]

You have never produced evidence or proof. Of ANY of your claims.

I think we need to pin John down on what specifically he regards ad evidence and proof. He has never produced any physical evidence. Evidence in the physical universe. But is that what he means by the words "evidence" and "proof"? Or does he consider his misquotes of the Bible to be evidence and proof?

 

[JohnR7]

He has never produced any physical evidence.

Misunderstandings about evolution are damaging to the study of evolution and biology as a whole. People who have a general interest in science are likely to dismiss evolution as a soft science after absorbing the pop science nonsense that abounds. The impression of it being a soft science is reinforced when biologists in unrelated fields speculate publicly about evolution. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html

According to talkorigin: "pop science nonsense abounds".
Why do I need to produce additional evidence when evolutionists admit that "nonsense abounds" when it comes to evolutionary science?

Or does he consider his misquotes of the Bible to be evidence and proof?

It would appear that your nonsense continues to abound also.

 

[JohnR7]

You seem to have quite a bit of growing to do.

At least I have grown past the third grade level that you are at in your understanding of the Bible.

 

[JohnR7]

Stop saying it and actually demonstrate it for once.

Actually, your the one who needs to say something, rather than to spend all of your time attacking people.
You are the one who brings nothing to the discussion here, not me.

 

[Nathan Poe]

According to talkorigin: "pop science nonsense abounds".
Why do I need to produce additional evidence when evolutionists admit that "nonsense abounds" when it comes to evolutionary science?

Two questions John:

1: Are you deliberately trolling, or have you been classified with reading comprehension difficulties?

2: Nonsense does indeed abound; why do you insist on piling on to it?

 

[Nathan Poe]

At least I have grown past the third grade level that you are at in your understanding of the Bible.

Indeed, one must know the Bible to bend, fold, twist, and mutilate it to your extent. Hats off to you.

 

[JohnR7]

have you been classified with reading comprehension difficulties?

No, my reading comprehension skills are just fine. I tend to do pretty good on those kind of tests.

 

[Nathan Poe]

No, my reading comprehension skills are just fine. I tend to do pretty good on those kind of tests.

I'm sorry to hear that.

It leaves you with no excuse for your quote-mining, your non-sequitors, your willful ignorance, your fabricated "evidence," your lies, your complete and utter inabilty to stay on a topic, and your insufferable arrogance.

You see, at least a learning disabilty can be treated.

 

[JohnR7]

Stop saying it and actually demonstrate it for once.

Have you read the list of endangered or extinct species? "Evolution" does not seem to be working very good to keep them alive.

One million species extinct by 2050: A quarter of all land animals and plants will not survive the onslaught of climate change,
an international group of scientists has predicted. http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/01/07/1073437346256.html

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[JohnR7]

It leaves you with no excuse for your quote-mining, your non-sequitors, your willful ignorance, your fabricated "evidence," your lies, your complete and utter inabilty to stay on a topic, and your insufferable arrogance.

Your a very poor loser Nathan, why don't you just admit it, the vast majority of evolutionary science is nonsense. Even evolutions themselves admit to that.

You just get upset if the evidence is used in a way to make evolution look bad.

The facts are still the facts, if it makes evolutionary science look good or not.

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

Actually, your the one who needs to say something, rather than to spend all of your time attacking people.
You are the one who brings nothing to the discussion here, not me.

There's no need to project your own shortcomings onto myself. Start backing up your statements and addressing what people REALLY say instead of picking out sentence fragments and twisting them and maybe people will get off your case.


To people more in touch with what's going on:

If kind = species, then creationism, as John defines it, has been disproved. He's been told this on at least four separate occasions by many different people before, but he continues to repeat it, and then ignore the fact that his own argument is self defeating. Then he tries to switch topics (as we can see on this thread) and attack people (which we also see).

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

Have you read the list of endangered or extinct species? "Evolution" does not seem to be working very good to keep them alive.

And this has WHAT to do with anything in this discussion? You are only demonstrating your further lack of understanding of the theory of evolution with the second sentence.