Reprobate Doctrine Causing Anxiety

[Shawb]

Hello All
Recently, I had researched things on the reprobate mind. It has really had my anxiety into overdrive. The thought that one's salvation can be eternally lost and given up just has me incredibly anxious. I never, ever want to become a reprobate, but with my intrusive thoughts and anxiety, I am terrified that I could become one. Recently, I had another intrusive thought where I almost renounced my faith and the guilt and fear were so debilitating that I went into my car and cried. I pray that God does not hand me over to a reprobate mind. I still believe in Christ and his saving grace, I still read my bible, and hold on to the word. Does anyone know the signs of a reprobate, please I am very fearful right now?

 

[redleghunter]

Hello All
Recently, I had researched things on the reprobate mind. It has really had my anxiety into overdrive. The thought that one's salvation can be eternally lost and given up just has me incredibly anxious. I never, ever want to become a reprobate, but with my intrusive thoughts and anxiety, I am terrified that I could become one. Recently, I had another intrusive thought where I almost renounced my faith and the guilt and fear were so debilitating that I went into my car and cried. I pray that God does not hand me over to a reprobate mind. I still believe in Christ and his saving grace, I still read my bible, and hold on to the word. Does anyone know the signs of a reprobate, please I am very fearful right now?

We have a Savior who loves us. His Grace and Peace is eternal. If you ask your Heavenly Father for a loaf of bread He will not hand you a stone. See the verses in my tag line. While we were still sinners Christ died for us. What more should we ask of Him.

God loves you Bro. He's waiting for your prayers and supplications. He has a plan for you. Ask Him.

God Bless and you will be in my prayers.

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[DeerGlow]

Hello All
Recently, I had researched things on the reprobate mind. It has really had my anxiety into overdrive. The thought that one's salvation can be eternally lost and given up just has me incredibly anxious. I never, ever want to become a reprobate, but with my intrusive thoughts and anxiety, I am terrified that I could become one. Recently, I had another intrusive thought where I almost renounced my faith and the guilt and fear were so debilitating that I went into my car and cried. I pray that God does not hand me over to a reprobate mind. I still believe in Christ and his saving grace, I still read my bible, and hold on to the word. Does anyone know the signs of a reprobate, please I am very fearful right now?

I struggle with this and (edit: becasuse I do not know the future I should say I think) you'll be okay. You're new, I think I saw you come on a few days ago. Don't go hyperdrive reading through this all. I did that with my fears, literally every relevant thread on a certain topic, you'll just get spun around. Talk to real people if you can. Write down things that help you. Don't google doctor this, just because you lets say scratched someone's car and didn't leave a note and don't feel horrible guilt doesn't mean you're a reprobate. It's a LOT farther than that.

It's thinking Christ's death foolishness. It's rejecting everything of God, not just wondering why the OT people couldn't eat bacon. It's not doubting for two seconds or saying words you don't mean but like the Pharisees. Did they follow Moses's laws? Possibly well. They still saw God and the HS in Jesus and knew as Nicodemus says that Jesus was of God and to His face rejected him, insulted him, and on multiple occasions tried to have Him killed. After He rose again, did they repent? Seeing as they were undeniably against God? No, they dug in further and tried to cover up the story.

Their hearts were so hard, God Himself in the flesh doing miracles in front of them and warning them of eternal hell and the wickedness of their ways and they still would not turn. That is a reprobate, who could meet God Himself face to face and still not go to Him for salvation. No amount of the dead rising, water turning to blood, and demon casting out would get these people to repent.

Edited to break it up so you're not overwhelmed.

 

[Milo]

In the Bible the reprobate is termed as the damned. Don't have fear about this. Before the foundation of the world it was determined who would be which way. Intrusive thoughts are unfortunately normal and God will know when you Actually do those things so don't have fear about that. To break intrusive thoughts (which should be the new normal) read what the book of proverbs says about the soul (to know what it is) and pray / ask it clean.

 

[Shawb]

Thank you all so much. I did talk to my pastor about the matter and he told me that he did not see a reprobate in me. I just get so carried away in worrying that it becomes consuming especially when I don't see reassurance. God bless you all for words of wisdom.

 

[redleghunter]

Thank you all so much. I did talk to my pastor about the matter and he told me that he did not see a reprobate in me. I just get so carried away in worrying that it becomes consuming especially when I don't see reassurance. God bless you all for words of wisdom.

Recommend focusing some time on the Glory of God. How wonderful His Power, Mercy and Love.

I especially like Charles Spurgeon sermons. Here's one I think gets my mind focused on the right things.

A View of God's Glory

 

[Korean-American Christian]

Thank you all so much. I did talk to my pastor about the matter and he told me that he did not see a reprobate in me. I just get so carried away in worrying that it becomes consuming especially when I don't see reassurance. God bless you all for words of wisdom.

Your pastor seems like a godly man. However, there are some Christian pastors who are very condemning and judgmental. Stay away from condemning and judgmental "men of God"

 

[Shawb]

Your pastor seems like a godly man. However, there are some Christian pastors who are very condemning and judgmental. Stay away from condemning and judgmental "men of God"

Yeah, definitely. In fact, I received the entire notion from a Steven Anderson video.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Hello All
Recently, I had researched things on the reprobate mind. It has really had my anxiety into overdrive. The thought that one's salvation can be eternally lost and given up just has me incredibly anxious. I never, ever want to become a reprobate, but with my intrusive thoughts and anxiety, I am terrified that I could become one. Recently, I had another intrusive thought where I almost renounced my faith and the guilt and fear were so debilitating that I went into my car and cried. I pray that God does not hand me over to a reprobate mind. I still believe in Christ and his saving grace, I still read my bible, and hold on to the word. Does anyone know the signs of a reprobate, please I am very fearful right now?

Well I was listening to a pastor named Herman murry on FGHT Dallas on youtube and he gave a personal encountor of someone with such a mind.

It was a lady that was used by God and would lay hands and saw miracles and such but one day slept with uh... a minister I think it was and she felt as if something sucked the holy spirit right out of her. IDR much after that but she says she's on the alter seeking God and last one there but never hears anything or whatever.

So Pastor Herman Murry said he could pray for her and he did real hard, but then he heard God say stop. HE stopped and all he heard her saying was "uhu" "yep", and she hung up.


There you have it perfect example there, when a person just has no mind to seek God anymore and can't even hear from him. Also backsliding is described in the bible as being a slow process so don't worry... you get warnings anyway if you start to regress. The bible says warning cometh before destruction.

Here is a biblical example also which shows like man it takes a lot to get there and it's a choice you make once you reject God and get far enough.

Romans 1 kjv
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;



Comment: there you have it as you can see... this isn't something you just fall into it takes time to reach the reprobate status all the way in verse 28, so just stay focused and you're fine.


Another similar example


Jeremiah 16: 13 Therefore will I cast you out of this land into a land that ye know not, neither ye nor your fathers; and there shall ye serve other gods day and night; where I will not shew you favour.


Comment: If you ever have read Jeremiah or take time to read it some you will God gave these people tons of chances before they ended up serving other gods and losing his favor. To where they themselves no longer even looked towards God.




Conclusion: In the end don't worry, if you in your mind have a mind to keep seeking God then that's a sign you're yeah...not in a reprobate or real dark state of mind. Now honestly I would pray for that boldness those followers of christ had in acts 4, you can't fear what God wants you to fight against. You can't fear the demonic and fear falling...and remember...


(I highly recommend putting this scripture to memory, it's great and helps push you).
Jude 24-25King James Version (KJV)
24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

 

[Romans10:9]

Well I was listening to a pastor named Herman murry on FGHT Dallas on youtube and he gave a personal encountor of someone with such a mind.

It was a lady that was used by God and would lay hands and saw miracles and such but one day slept with uh... a minister I think it was and she felt as if something sucked the holy spirit right out of her. IDR much after that but she says she's on the alter seeking God and last one there but never hears anything or whatever.

So Pastor Herman Murry said he could pray for her and he did real hard, but then he heard God say stop. HE stopped and all he heard her saying was "uhu" "yep", and she hung up.


There you have it perfect example there, when a person just has no mind to seek God anymore and can't even hear from him. Also backsliding is described in the bible as being a slow process so don't worry... you get warnings anyway if you start to regress. The bible says warning cometh before destruction.

Here is a biblical example also which shows like man it takes a lot to get there and it's a choice you make once you reject God and get far enough.

Romans 1 kjv
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;



Comment: there you have it as you can see... this isn't something you just fall into it takes time to reach the reprobate status all the way in verse 28, so just stay focused and you're fine.


Another similar example


Jeremiah 16: 13 Therefore will I cast you out of this land into a land that ye know not, neither ye nor your fathers; and there shall ye serve other gods day and night; where I will not shew you favour.


Comment: If you ever have read Jeremiah or take time to read it some you will God gave these people tons of chances before they ended up serving other gods and losing his favor. To where they themselves no longer even looked towards God.




Conclusion: In the end don't worry, if you in your mind have a mind to keep seeking God then that's a sign you're yeah...not in a reprobate or real dark state of mind. Now honestly I would pray for that boldness those followers of christ had in acts 4, you can't fear what God wants you to fight against. You can't fear the demonic and fear falling...and remember...


(I highly recommend putting this scripture to memory, it's great and helps push you).
Jude 24-25King James Version (KJV)
24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Can you explain more about the woman's reactions? I don't understand.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Can you explain more about the woman's reactions? I don't understand.

She basicully is in such a state to where she doesn't hear/detect the presence of god. Let alone is pushing for him. Hearing the story just was like man

 

[Romans10:9]

She basicully is in such a state to where she doesn't hear/detect the presence of god. Let alone is pushing for him. Hearing the story just was like man

So she didn't care to seek God anymore? Why would God turn her over after that one sin?

This scares me because I was born again as a child but didn't really read or know much about the bible my whole life. I just believed Jesus died for my sins and I've always believed it my whole life. I'm now 30, and I wanted to stop my lusts and sinning and serve God, and was thinking of being a minister eventually to spread the gospel, until I found out about the reprobate mind and fear took hold of me.

I hope I'm fine because I felt the urge to stop my sins and serve God, so that has to be the Holy Spirit leading me to Him. And on my good days I feel fired up, but when the fear takes over I just feel empty and scared. I was able to get two people I know saved while under this fear and then I felt better instantly so I just need to get more of the word in me I think.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

So she didn't care to seek God anymore? Why would God turn her over after that one sin?

This scares me because I was born again as a child but didn't really read or know much about the bible my whole life. I just believed Jesus died for my sins and I've always believed it my whole life. I'm now 30, and I wanted to stop my lusts and sinning and serve God, and was thinking of being a minister eventually to spread the gospel, until I found out about the reprobate mind and fear took hold of me.

I hope I'm fine because I felt the urge to stop my sins and serve God, so that has to be the Holy Spirit leading me to Him. And on my good days I feel fired up, but when the fear takes over I just feel empty and scared. I was able to get two people I know saved while under this fear and then I felt better instantly so I just need to get more of the word in me I think.

It was just fornicafion but the problem was she refused to take it up with god and admit her wrong. I'm sure maybe she did other things as well but the pastor didn't go into all the details about her. But yeah you're fine man she chose to ignore god calling her back. Ik a guy who at the alter was delivered from ciggarates, after church the devil used someone to offer him one and he smoked it. He also felt as if the Holy Spirit he just received left him but what he did was right away seek god and god forgave him and refilled him. Look I've made mistakes my self after giving myself to god too the key was to take it up with him as fast as possible, I did this and those sins I stopped committing after this, it's something we are told to do in 1 john 2:1. Eventually you reach the stage of 1 john3 and 1 john 3:9 where you're not committing those acts. The woman didn't do that and ignored his voice while she could still hear it, so did the people of Judah in the book of Jeremiah.

 

[Romans10:9]

It was just fornicafion but the problem was she refused to take it up with god and admit her wrong. I'm sure maybe she did other things as well but the pastor didn't go into all the details about her. But yeah you're fine man she chose to ignore god calling her back. Ik a guy who at the alter was delivered from ciggarates, after church the devil used someone to offer him one and he smoked it. He also felt as if the Holy Spirit he just received left him but what he did was right away seek god and god forgave him and refilled him. Look I've made mistakes my self after giving myself to god too the key was to take it up with him as fast as possible, I did this and those sins I stopped committing after this, it's something we are told to do in 1 john 2:1. Eventually you reach the stage of 1 john3 and 1 john 3:9 where you're not committing those acts. The woman didn't do that and ignored his voice while she could still hear it, so did the people of Judah in the book of Jeremiah.

Oh man, the past 15-20 years I haven't gone to God alot. I'm not sure how many times I've asked for forgiveness but it wasn't many, that's a span of 15-20 years! Idk, I gave up chewing tobacco, porn, etc., about a month ago because I wanted to get rid of it completely after 15-20 years of it and follow the word of God and I have no desire go back to those sins. I repented and asked for forgiveness many times for those, even during the fear and anxiety that hit me a few weeks ago. I tried to remember all the bad I've done in the past to ask for forgiveness for those too.

But idk man, why would I have the urge to stop sinning and serve God if it wasn't the Holy Spirit drawing me? And whenever I think good thoughts about the Lord or the word, I feel better, and when I don't feel empty and have that joy then I want to read the word or listen to sermons or something. God's been on my mind 24/7 this past month, it's been crazy. I just wish God would deliver me from this fear, anxiety and condemnation because I just feel drained and tired from it all. This is a completely different lifestyle that I'm not used to, I don't even want to do the hobbies I used to do anymore for fear of sin.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Oh man, the past 15-20 years I haven't gone to God alot. I'm not sure how many times I've asked for forgiveness but it wasn't many, that's a span of 15-20 years! Idk, I gave up chewing tobacco, porn, etc., about a month ago because I wanted to get rid of it completely after 15-20 years of it and follow the word of God and I have no desire go back to those sins. I repented and asked for forgiveness many times for those, even during the fear and anxiety that hit me a few weeks ago. I tried to remember all the bad I've done in the past to ask for forgiveness for those too.

But idk man, why would I have the urge to stop sinning and serve God if it wasn't the Holy Spirit drawing me? And whenever I think good thoughts about the Lord or the word, I feel better, and when I don't feel empty and have that joy then I want to read the word or listen to sermons or something. God's been on my mind 24/7 this past month, it's been crazy. I just wish God would deliver me from this fear, anxiety and condemnation because I just feel drained and tired from it all. This is a completely different lifestyle that I'm not used to, I don't even want to do the hobbies I used to do anymore for fear of sin.

I used to watch porn and stuff too and god got me out of that and god is for sure pulling on you cause for me was same way. It felt new (still does) and refreshing. You're on the right track like you I had one thing left to deal with after getting rid of those sins and that was lack of self confidence, guilt, and fear of going back to my old self. What helped me with this was learning the word there are good preachers online one good channel I recommend is capital community church on YouTube because they break it down well. But yeah man the fear is normal at first cause it's something new being with god and coming from personal experience it's not a sign of reprobate mind. A month or so after getting over the fear and worry and such god called me into ministry. God wants to use you brother stay encouraged and be anxious for nothing in do season ye shall reap if ye faint not.

 

[Romans10:9]

I used to watch porn and stuff too and god got me out of that and god is for sure pulling on you cause for me was same way. It felt new (still does) and refreshing. You're on the right track like you I had one thing left to deal with after getting rid of those sins and that was lack of self confidence, guilt, and fear of going back to my old self. What helped me with this was learning the word there are good preachers online one good channel I recommend is capital community church on YouTube because they break it down well. But yeah man the fear is normal at first cause it's something new being with god and coming from personal experience it's not a sign of reprobate mind. A month or so after getting over the fear and worry and such god called me into ministry. God wants to use you brother stay encouraged and be anxious for nothing in do season ye shall reap if ye faint not.

Thanks man I appreciate it. So you were born again for a long time and went through the same things? Yeah my fear is separation from God and going to hell where before I never had that in me, I was always looking forward to the Second Coming. I think the devil keeps trying to accuse me and put thoughts in my head because I've never experienced this before. I've been trying to meditate on some scriptures to fight the fear and so far it's working, I just hope I get over it soon because it's really draining and sucks the joy away, makes me feel empty, but when I get encouraged by the word or something I'm back to normal, it's weird.

That's awesome about the ministry, hope you blossom that out and get people to Christ. thanks for the youtube channel I just subscribed to it so I'll check it out, thanks man.

 

[Shawb]

Thanks man I appreciate it. So you were born again for a long time and went through the same things? Yeah my fear is separation from God and going to hell where before I never had that in me, I was always looking forward to the Second Coming. I think the devil keeps trying to accuse me and put thoughts in my head because I've never experienced this before. I've been trying to meditate on some scriptures to fight the fear and so far it's working, I just hope I get over it soon because it's really draining and sucks the joy away, makes me feel empty, but when I get encouraged by the word or something I'm back to normal, it's weird.

That's awesome about the ministry, hope you blossom that out and get people to Christ. thanks for the youtube channel I just subscribed to it so I'll check it out, thanks man.

Yeah, it's the same with me. The entire experience has been emotionally draining just like you, I have never had the fear of separation from God before as I had always thought one could always come back to God no matter the circumstance. There are times where I feel normal and other times where I feel empty.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Thanks man I appreciate it. So you were born again for a long time and went through the same things? Yeah my fear is separation from God and going to hell where before I never had that in me, I was always looking forward to the Second Coming. I think the devil keeps trying to accuse me and put thoughts in my head because I've never experienced this before. I've been trying to meditate on some scriptures to fight the fear and so far it's working, I just hope I get over it soon because it's really draining and sucks the joy away, makes me feel empty, but when I get encouraged by the word or something I'm back to normal, it's weird.

That's awesome about the ministry, hope you blossom that out and get people to Christ. thanks for the youtube channel I just subscribed to it so I'll check it out, thanks man.

Oh no I wasn't born again yet I was baptized at like 10 but I didn't have the Holy Spirit inside yet I could tell too even just based off my choices and mindset. I was half born again I guess baptized but not yet born again of spirit and walking with god. And no problem man keep pushing god bless man it's tough man this walk but you have the right mindset and god wants you man he's tugging

 

[CrystalDragon]

Hello All
Recently, I had researched things on the reprobate mind. It has really had my anxiety into overdrive. The thought that one's salvation can be eternally lost and given up just has me incredibly anxious. I never, ever want to become a reprobate, but with my intrusive thoughts and anxiety, I am terrified that I could become one. Recently, I had another intrusive thought where I almost renounced my faith and the guilt and fear were so debilitating that I went into my car and cried. I pray that God does not hand me over to a reprobate mind. I still believe in Christ and his saving grace, I still read my bible, and hold on to the word. Does anyone know the signs of a reprobate, please I am very fearful right now?

That's why those kind of religious thoughts can be damaging. Do not worry.

 

[JacquelineDeane55]

I will be praying for you. And others on here.

Now if you'll excuse me, I am hungry and I am going to go eat lunch.