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I'd like to thank everyone for giving me the opportunity to look through Romans 9-11 again in depth.

I am again made more confident of God's wonderful grace and mercy which is ours in Christ.

I've attempted to edit this to make it more easily readable, by inserting a line of dashes to separate sections of Scripture and my added commentary to those portions of Scripture:

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"I am speaking the truth in Christ—I am not lying; my conscience bears me witness in the Holy Spirit— that I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, my kinsmen according to the flesh. They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises. To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.

But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.
"

Yes, the Apostle is making his appeal that he is in anguish over the disbelief of his kinsmen. Those God delivered out of Egypt, who were spoken to at the mountain, who were led through the wilderness, who were given promise after promise, and covenant, and the patriarchs, and the law, and all these great and marvelous gifts and blessings--and yet, they do not believe. Because being an Israelite isn't simply being Abraham's flesh offspring, but rather are children of the promise (and this is by faith as we shall see).

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"For this is what the promise said: “About this time next year I will return, and Sarah shall have a son.” And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls— she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”

What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.
"

God is not unjust for having chosen Jacob over Esau, because God's election is not based upon human ability. God didn't choose Jacob because Jacob was good and Esau was bad; but rather God chose Jacob in order to put His mercy on full display. And, again, as for that mercy, we shall see what that looks like and means. For even wicked Pharaoh was the instrument to show forth God's mercy, for here God delivered His people, those children of Jacob, to lead them out of Egypt and into the land of promise.

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"You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?"

So we see that the unbelief of Israel is not entirely without purpose, for though there is judgment on their unbelief, nevertheless God will show forth His mercy. If God takes and makes use of those who shall be judged in order to shown His mercy, here God is not unjust in so doing. This does not mean that God is the author of evil and thus predestined some to damnation and destruction; but it does mean that God is not thwarted by evil and will show forth His mercy on whom He will show mercy.

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"As indeed he says in Hosea,

“Those who were not my people I will call ‘my people,’
and her who was not beloved I will call ‘beloved.’”
“And in the very place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’
there they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’”

And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: “Though the number of the sons of Israel be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will be saved, for the Lord will carry out his sentence upon the earth fully and without delay.” And as Isaiah predicted,

“If the Lord of hosts had not left us offspring,
we would have been like Sodom
and become like Gomorrah.”
"

The Prophets themselves spoke of these things, says Paul, for those who were His people are not, and those who were not, are. How so?

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"What shall we say, then? That Gentiles who did not pursue righteousness have attained it, that is, a righteousness that is by faith; but that Israel who pursued a law that would lead to righteousness did not succeed in reaching that law. Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if it were based on works. They have stumbled over the stumbling stone, as it is written,

“Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense;
and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”
"

The whole matter comes down to faith. For the Gentiles are reckoned righteous by faith, though they had not received the law; even while those who had received the law were not righteous, because they lacked faith. This is in keeping with all which the Apostle has said in his epistle: that the Law cannot justify, and that justification--righteousness--is attained through faith alone according to God's grace.

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"Brothers, my heart's desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."

Again Paul speaks of his grief over the unbelief of his kinsmen, and he earnestly desires their salvation. Though they are zealous for God they are ignorant of God's righteousness which is through faith in Christ, for Christ is the "end", that is the goal and purpose and fulfillment, of the giving of the law. So that without Christ there can be no righteousness, as we know already that none are justified, made righteous, by the law.

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"For Moses writes about the righteousness that is based on the law, that the person who does the commandments shall live by them. But the righteousness based on faith says, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’” (that is, to bring Christ down) “or ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”"

One does not rise up to heaven to attain Christ (by their own efforts and strength), and neither do descend to try and attain Christ; but rather Christ comes to us through His word, His precious Gospel, that is why "the word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart". This word of faith, this precious Gospel of salvation is right here, in our hearing, on our lips, in our heart--not attainable by going up or going down, but right here for us through its preaching, and ours to be confessed, so that all who confess that JEsus Christ is Lord are, indeed, saved. It doesn't matter if we are Jew or if we are Gentile, for all who trust in Christ, all who have faith, shall be justified and saved.

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"How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!” But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?” So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ."

That this Gospel is not hidden, but goes forth to be heard, the Gospel is preached, for this faith which reckons us righteous on Christ's account is given to us through the preached word.

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"But I ask, have they not heard? Indeed they have, for

“Their voice has gone out to all the earth,
and their words to the ends of the world.”

But I ask, did Israel not understand? First Moses says,

“I will make you jealous of those who are not a nation;
with a foolish nation I will make you angry.”

Then Isaiah is so bold as to say,

“I have been found by those who did not seek me;
I have shown myself to those who did not ask for me.”

But of Israel he says, “All day long I have held out my hands to a disobedient and contrary people.”
"

It is not as though Israel was without the word, but though hearing it, did not receive it, but as we shall see the word has also gone forth to the Gentiles.

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"I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! For I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. Do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he appeals to God against Israel? “Lord, they have killed your prophets, they have demolished your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life.” But what is God's reply to him? “I have kept for myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace. But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace."

So we see that though Paul's kinsmen though, in large part, had rejected the Gospel, this does not mean God has turned His back on them. Paul speaks of a remnant, a faithful remnant akin to the days of Elijah. The remnant are not the faithful remnant on account of their own righteousness, but on account of grace through faith. As we have already seen Paul say time and again.

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"What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened, as it is written,

“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that would not see
and ears that would not hear,
down to this very day.”

And David says,

“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
a stumbling block and a retribution for them;
let their eyes be darkened so that they cannot see,
and bend their backs forever.”
"

Though what was not received by much of Israel, was obtained by the elect remnant; though the rest have had their hearts hardened, however,

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"So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather, through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous. Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion mean!"

This goes back to chapter 9, remember how the Apostle had spoken of choosing Jacob instead of Esau, about how God waited patiently and enduring vessels of wrath in order to demonstrate His power and mercy? So here we see where Paul was going with that: for though they have hardened their hearts, God uses such occasion as to pour forth His mercy on His elect, both Jew and Gentile; though it would seem to be failure for them, it is riches for the Gentiles. And if this is the case, how much more glorious shall it be if all shall be included here?

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"Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry in order somehow to make my fellow Jews jealous, and thus save some of them. For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead? If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump, and if the root is holy, so are the branches.

But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree, do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.
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Paul, turning his attention away from the Jews and onto the Gentiles reminds them that if God is able to prune away the natural branches, He is certainly capable of pruning away the grafted branches. Likewise, that one is a grafted branch should not lead one to pride and haughtiness. Seeing as faith is the issue, if those who were without faith were pruned, and those with faith grafted; then the pruned can still be graft them on again by faith. So we see that it is always faith that is the issue. Not being Jew or Gentile, but faith in Jesus Christ; for all who belong to Christ are Israel by faith.

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"Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,

“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;
“and this will be my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”

As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. For just as you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may now receive mercy. For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.
"

For in the past the Gentiles were cut off, and to the Jews were given the gifts; and now it seems many of the Jews are cut off and the Gentiles have come in. But this is not a contest between Jew and Gentile; for all these things were done in their right order, according to God's purposes, to show forth His glorious wisdom, power, and mercy. So the Gentiles consigned to disobedience, and the Jews consigned to disobedience; so God having consigned all to disobedience that He might have mercy on all.

How wondrous! For indeed, the Apostle spoke truly when he said, "I am not ashamed of the Gospel for it is the power of God to all who believe, the Jew first and also the Gentile". See how marvelously he has laid out all things in this epistle to bring everything from beginning to end, that the Gospel is for Jew, Gentile, for everyone. This is why the Apostle can finally say,

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"Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways!

“For who has known the mind of the Lord,
or who has been his counselor?”
“Or who has given a gift to him
that he might be repaid?”


For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen."

Indeed Amen, and glory be to God always.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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People keep saying ... Jesus is Israel...

People keep saying... The cut off Jews are no longer cared for or considered by God.

Perhaps this verse would be wise to consider, in light of "Love your enemies".

Matthew 25:24 “Then the man who had received one bag of gold came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25 So I was afraid and went out and hid your gold in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.’


....Paul and Moses are fairly important... in scripture... wouldn't a person say?

They both made statements that they wished they could forsake their salvation for the well being of "National, Biological Israel"...

Jesus said... "Father, why have you forsaken me"

Do people consider these matters carefully?
 
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Not one Jew, except the ONE, kept the Law. It was always about the day of the Atonement. Israel is the "Shadow" of the BOC. Deuteronomy 31:26 is wise to understand.

ONE Jew did keep it, and we call Him Lord God, Jesus Christ.
Any Jew who did his best was chosen, of course no one who lived kept it perfectly except one person that was sinless which was what the law demanded.
 
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Any Jew who did his best was chosen, of course no one who loved kept it perfectly except one person that was sinless which was what the law demanded.

Hebrews 11 says a completely different thing, as does Romans 4.

I do not mean to say this arrogantly, but never has anyone in History "Pleased God" with "Their Best".

Faith is all that God is pleased by as far as humanity (Other than Jesus) is concerned. Faith.... yields... Mercy, Love, Honesty, and so forth... but these things only flow from faith.

I say this with Love and Respect to you, in Jesus Christ... admitting what I speak is my opinion.
 
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Hebrews 11 says a completely different thing, as does Romans 4.

I do not mean to say this arrogantly, but never has anyone in History "Pleased God" with "Their Best".

Faith is all that God is pleased by as far as humanity (Other than Jesus) is concerned. Faith.... yields... Mercy, Love, Honesty, and so forth... but these things only flow from faith.

I say this with Love and Respect to you, in Jesus Christ... admitting what I speak is my opinion.
It’s not about pleasing God it’s about what makes a Jew chosen.
 
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The problem was that no one could keep the law because all were fallen, all were unrighteous. Jesus did not arrive to save the righteous folk rather Jesus came to save sinners, lawbreakers.

This is where you are incorrect. The covenant that God made on Mt Sinai was with the nation of Israel alone, the corporate descendants of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob.

Jesus was sent specifically to the Jews, Jesus was not sent to the Gentiles. The scripture is very clear on this point.

Gentiles were never the natural branches we Gentiles needed to be grafted into the root.
True, no one can keep the law except the one who came down from heaven and was raised up to heaven the second Adam Jesus Christ, however to be chosen Jews were obliged to keep the law as best as they could before the coming of the Messiah. I never said God made a covenant with the Gentiles, but Gentiles of the time were obliged to keep the the seven laws of Noah.
 
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It’s not about pleasing God it’s about what makes a Jew chosen.

A Jew was Chosen out of Love for Jacob. The duel Love for Jacob and Abraham combined is an even deeper choosing.

Deuteronomy 31:26 and James 2:10 should be enough to reveal what I am saying.

Israel was elected. The election within Israel is not an individual election, but a Promise that depended on God, not Man. This was a foreshadowing of Messiah and a revelation of the character of God, despite the interference of the evil one.

1 Kings 8:56 ... This reaffirms that the Promise is to National Israel... not individual election.
 
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Please document from primary sources from those who teach the wrong meaning.
I have not really checked out any source other than the Bible, about this. So, I wouldn't know if any or which is wrong.
 
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A Jew was Chosen out of Love for Jacob. The duel Love for Jacob and Abraham combined is an even deeper choosing.

Deuteronomy 31:26 and James 2:10 should be enough to reveal what I am saying.

Israel was elected. The election within Israel is not an individual election, but a Promise that depended on God, not Man. This was a foreshadowing of Messiah and a revelation of the character of God, despite the interference of the evil one.

1 Kings 8:56 ... This reaffirms that the Promise is to National Israel... not individual election.
Any Jew who does not keep the Covenant is authomatically excluded from being chosen it’s thag simple really, Jews today as a whole are definitely not the chosen people of God due to their rejection of Christ.
 
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Any Jew who does not keep the Covenant is authomatically excluded from being chosen it’s thag simple really, Jews today as a whole are definitely not the chosen people of God due to their rejection of Christ.

Enter Romans 11:25-36
 
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I'd like to thank everyone for giving me the opportunity to look through Romans 9-11 again in depth.

I am again made more confident of God's wonderful grace and mercy which is ours in Christ.

I've attempted to edit this to make it more easily readable, by inserting a line of dashes to separate sections of Scripture and my added commentary to those portions of Scripture:

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"I am speaking the truth in Christ—I am not lying; my conscience bears me witness in the Holy Spirit— that I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, my kinsmen according to the flesh. They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises. To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.

But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.
"

Yes, the Apostle is making his appeal that he is in anguish over the disbelief of his kinsmen. Those God delivered out of Egypt, who were spoken to at the mountain, who were led through the wilderness, who were given promise after promise, and covenant, and the patriarchs, and the law, and all these great and marvelous gifts and blessings--and yet, they do not believe. Because being an Israelite isn't simply being Abraham's flesh offspring, but rather are children of the promise (and this is by faith as we shall see).

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"For this is what the promise said: “About this time next year I will return, and Sarah shall have a son.” And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls— she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”

What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.
"

God is not unjust for having chosen Jacob over Esau, because God's election is not based upon human ability. God didn't choose Jacob because Jacob was good and Esau was bad; but rather God chose Jacob in order to put His mercy on full display. And, again, as for that mercy, we shall see what that looks like and means. For even wicked Pharaoh was the instrument to show forth God's mercy, for here God delivered His people, those children of Jacob, to lead them out of Egypt and into the land of promise.

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"You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?"

So we see that the unbelief of Israel is not entirely without purpose, for though there is judgment on their unbelief, nevertheless God will show forth His mercy. If God takes and makes use of those who shall be judged in order to shown His mercy, here God is not unjust in so doing. This does not mean that God is the author of evil and thus predestined some to damnation and destruction; but it does mean that God is not thwarted by evil and will show forth His mercy on whom He will show mercy.

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"As indeed he says in Hosea,

“Those who were not my people I will call ‘my people,’
and her who was not beloved I will call ‘beloved.’”
“And in the very place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’
there they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’”

And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: “Though the number of the sons of Israel be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will be saved, for the Lord will carry out his sentence upon the earth fully and without delay.” And as Isaiah predicted,

“If the Lord of hosts had not left us offspring,
we would have been like Sodom
and become like Gomorrah.”
"

The Prophets themselves spoke of these things, says Paul, for those who were His people are not, and those who were not, are. How so?

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"What shall we say, then? That Gentiles who did not pursue righteousness have attained it, that is, a righteousness that is by faith; but that Israel who pursued a law that would lead to righteousness did not succeed in reaching that law. Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if it were based on works. They have stumbled over the stumbling stone, as it is written,

“Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense;
and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”
"

The whole matter comes down to faith. For the Gentiles are reckoned righteous by faith, though they had not received the law; even while those who had received the law were not righteous, because they lacked faith. This is in keeping with all which the Apostle has said in his epistle: that the Law cannot justify, and that justification--righteousness--is attained through faith alone according to God's grace.

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"Brothers, my heart's desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."

Again Paul speaks of his grief over the unbelief of his kinsmen, and he earnestly desires their salvation. Though they are zealous for God they are ignorant of God's righteousness which is through faith in Christ, for Christ is the "end", that is the goal and purpose and fulfillment, of the giving of the law. So that without Christ there can be no righteousness, as we know already that none are justified, made righteous, by the law.

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"For Moses writes about the righteousness that is based on the law, that the person who does the commandments shall live by them. But the righteousness based on faith says, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’” (that is, to bring Christ down) “or ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”"

One does not rise up to heaven to attain Christ (by their own efforts and strength), and neither do descend to try and attain Christ; but rather Christ comes to us through His word, His precious Gospel, that is why "the word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart". This word of faith, this precious Gospel of salvation is right here, in our hearing, on our lips, in our heart--not attainable by going up or going down, but right here for us through its preaching, and ours to be confessed, so that all who confess that JEsus Christ is Lord are, indeed, saved. It doesn't matter if we are Jew or if we are Gentile, for all who trust in Christ, all who have faith, shall be justified and saved.

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"How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!” But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?” So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ."

That this Gospel is not hidden, but goes forth to be heard, the Gospel is preached, for this faith which reckons us righteous on Christ's account is given to us through the preached word.

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"But I ask, have they not heard? Indeed they have, for

“Their voice has gone out to all the earth,
and their words to the ends of the world.”

But I ask, did Israel not understand? First Moses says,

“I will make you jealous of those who are not a nation;
with a foolish nation I will make you angry.”

Then Isaiah is so bold as to say,

“I have been found by those who did not seek me;
I have shown myself to those who did not ask for me.”

But of Israel he says, “All day long I have held out my hands to a disobedient and contrary people.”
"

It is not as though Israel was without the word, but though hearing it, did not receive it, but as we shall see the word has also gone forth to the Gentiles.

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"I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! For I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. Do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he appeals to God against Israel? “Lord, they have killed your prophets, they have demolished your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life.” But what is God's reply to him? “I have kept for myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace. But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace."

So we see that though Paul's kinsmen though, in large part, had rejected the Gospel, this does not mean God has turned His back on them. Paul speaks of a remnant, a faithful remnant akin to the days of Elijah. The remnant are not the faithful remnant on account of their own righteousness, but on account of grace through faith. As we have already seen Paul say time and again.

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"What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened, as it is written,

“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that would not see
and ears that would not hear,
down to this very day.”

And David says,

“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
a stumbling block and a retribution for them;
let their eyes be darkened so that they cannot see,
and bend their backs forever.”
"

Though what was not received by much of Israel, was obtained by the elect remnant; though the rest have had their hearts hardened, however,

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"So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather, through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous. Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion mean!"

This goes back to chapter 9, remember how the Apostle had spoken of choosing Jacob instead of Esau, about how God waited patiently and enduring vessels of wrath in order to demonstrate His power and mercy? So here we see where Paul was going with that: for though they have hardened their hearts, God uses such occasion as to pour forth His mercy on His elect, both Jew and Gentile; though it would seem to be failure for them, it is riches for the Gentiles. And if this is the case, how much more glorious shall it be if all shall be included here?

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"Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry in order somehow to make my fellow Jews jealous, and thus save some of them. For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead? If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump, and if the root is holy, so are the branches.

But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree, do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.
"

Paul, turning his attention away from the Jews and onto the Gentiles reminds them that if God is able to prune away the natural branches, He is certainly capable of pruning away the grafted branches. Likewise, that one is a grafted branch should not lead one to pride and haughtiness. Seeing as faith is the issue, if those who were without faith were pruned, and those with faith grafted; then the pruned can still be graft them on again by faith. So we see that it is always faith that is the issue. Not being Jew or Gentile, but faith in Jesus Christ; for all who belong to Christ are Israel by faith.

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"Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,

“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;
“and this will be my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”

As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. For just as you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may now receive mercy. For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.
"

For in the past the Gentiles were cut off, and to the Jews were given the gifts; and now it seems many of the Jews are cut off and the Gentiles have come in. But this is not a contest between Jew and Gentile; for all these things were done in their right order, according to God's purposes, to show forth His glorious wisdom, power, and mercy. So the Gentiles consigned to disobedience, and the Jews consigned to disobedience; so God having consigned all to disobedience that He might have mercy on all.

How wondrous! For indeed, the Apostle spoke truly when he said, "I am not ashamed of the Gospel for it is the power of God to all who believe, the Jew first and also the Gentile". See how marvelously he has laid out all things in this epistle to bring everything from beginning to end, that the Gospel is for Jew, Gentile, for everyone. This is why the Apostle can finally say,

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"Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways!

“For who has known the mind of the Lord,
or who has been his counselor?”
“Or who has given a gift to him
that he might be repaid?”


For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen."

Indeed Amen, and glory be to God always.

-CryptoLutheran

M8!

I love what you did here! Thank you for taking the time to present the scripture here so clearly!

You and I may read it differently, but at the end of the day, we both see how these passages exalt our King of King’s Mercy.

All Love in Jesus Christ to you!
 
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Matt Slick is a staunch Reformed Believer disguised as an Apologist. Was that wrong to say? :p

Hi Grip it was not wrong to say. But, I hear claims about others without anyone documenting from primary sources of those who teach "replacement theology" aka Supersession with links, so context can be checked.

Enjoy the weekend,
Daniel
 
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Hi Grip it was not wrong to say. But, I hear claims about others without anyone documenting from primary sources of those who teach "replacement theology" aka Supersession with links, so context can be checked.

Enjoy the weekend,
Daniel

You are correct and I only offer my point as conjecture/opinion.

IMO, In debate, Matt attempts to purport himself a central Theologian that combines theologies in the most biblical manner.

I have to be sincere...

If I was building a biblical evaluation crew... I’ll take the likes of John Lennox and William Lane Craig over Slick.... ANY Day! :D
 
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Grammar Sarcasm.... :doh:

You know the verse and to what I mean....

Galatians 3:16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say "and to seeds," as though referring to many, but and to your seed, referring to one, who is Christ.

It would be impossible for him to have said, "Seeds." I'm dead serious about this. You're trying to make a point that "seed" is singular, but your argument means nothing in this context. Seed is always singular when used this way. The word was translated as a euphemism. It's not really talking about a seed in the traditional sense. If you really want to know, then use an online translator to translate "seed" into German, and then see if you can figure out what English word it looks like.
 
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It would be impossible for him to have said, "Seeds." I'm dead serious about this. You're trying to make a point that "seed" is singular, but your argument means nothing in this context. Seed is always singular when used this way. The word was translated as a euphemism. It's not really talking about a seed in the traditional sense. If you really want to know, then use an online translator to translate "seed" into German, and then see if you can figure out what English word it looks like.

Oh, for Pete’s sake! Take it up with Apostle Paul! :doh:

Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say “and to seeds,” as though referring to many, but referring to one, and to your seed, who is Christ.
Galatians 3:16 - Bible Gateway passage: Galatians 3:16 - Holman Christian Standard Bible

I assumed you understood my point of citing Galatians.
 
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Does this text teach replacement theology?

Augustine’s “Treatise against the Jews”
"These indictments do not concern those who believed in Christ at that time because of these very prophecies, nor those who have believed in Christ up to the present or who, henceforth, up to the end of the world, will believe in Christ, that is, the true Israel who will see the Lord face to face. ‘For they are not all Israelites who are sprung from Israel; nor because they are the descendants of Abraham, are they all his children; but: Through Isaac shall your posterity bear your name. This is to say, they are not the sons of God who are the children of the flesh, but it is the children of promise who are reckoned as a posterity.’ They belong to the spiritual Sion and the cities of Judah, that is, to the churches about whom the Apostle says, ‘And I was unknown by sight to the Churches of Judah, which were in Christ,’ since a little later in the same psalm appears, ‘For God will save Sion, and the cities of Judah shall be built up. And they shall dwell there, and acquire it by inheritance. And the seed of his servants shall possess it; and they that love his name shall dwell therein.’ When the Jews hear these words they take them in their natural meaning and imagine an earthly Jerusalem which is in slavery with her children, not our eternal mother who is in heaven." (at the end of chapter 5 ).
Augustine’s “Treatise against the Jews”
 
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Does this text teach replacement theology?

Augustine’s “Treatise against the Jews”
"These indictments do not concern those who believed in Christ at that time because of these very prophecies, nor those who have believed in Christ up to the present or who, henceforth, up to the end of the world, will believe in Christ, that is, the true Israel who will see the Lord face to face. ‘For they are not all Israelites who are sprung from Israel; nor because they are the descendants of Abraham, are they all his children; but: Through Isaac shall your posterity bear your name. This is to say, they are not the sons of God who are the children of the flesh, but it is the children of promise who are reckoned as a posterity.’ They belong to the spiritual Sion and the cities of Judah, that is, to the churches about whom the Apostle says, ‘And I was unknown by sight to the Churches of Judah, which were in Christ,’ since a little later in the same psalm appears, ‘For God will save Sion, and the cities of Judah shall be built up. And they shall dwell there, and acquire it by inheritance. And the seed of his servants shall possess it; and they that love his name shall dwell therein.’ When the Jews hear these words they take them in their natural meaning and imagine an earthly Jerusalem which is in slavery with her children, not our eternal mother who is in heaven." (at the end of chapter 5 ).
Augustine’s “Treatise against the Jews”

Aha! It does indeed! Shocker. Augustine.

Well found.

The elaborate use of scripture he employs to exegete his point is dizzying. (Sarcasm)
 
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I don't believe Covenant Theology is accurate.

Please document from primary sources of those who teach "Covenant Theology" with links, so context can be checked.
 
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I know what you are saying, I just don't see anywhere where it is revealed that the Abrahamic Covenant is annulled or superseded due to the NC. The Mosaic Covenant, yes most definitely according to the Book of Hebrews.

Was the Abrahamic Covenant fulfilled in Christ?

There are websites that says yes, like The Fulfillment of the Abrahamic Covenant
 
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