Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?

[Clare73]

I am saying, and have always said, the Decalogue remains and, according to Jesus, is completely complied with in his two commands
(Mt 22:37-40; Ro 13:8-10).

You are using "your words" not Christ's

in Matt 22 Jesus said "on these two commandments depend ALL THE LAW and the PROPHETS"

Silly me. . .and I was thinking that means the Decalogue remains. . .just shows to go you.

 

[BobRyan]

Go and learn what this means, "I desire mercy (and compassion) and not (unjust judgment and) sacrifice", etc...

God's commandments do not require "unjust judgment"

 

[BobRyan]

I am saying, and have always said, the Decalogue remains and, according to Jesus, is completely complied with in his two commands
(Mt 22:37-40; Ro 13:8-10).

You are using "your words" not Christ's

in Matt 22 Jesus said "on these two commandments depend ALL THE LAW and the PROPHETS" so then "all of scripture" -- not just the ten.

Silly me. . .and I thought that meant the Decalogue remains. . .just shows to go you.

I don't argue that the Decalogue does not remain - only that Jesus' Matt 22 statement does not limit it to "just the Decalogue" that remains or is established/founded on those two commandments.

So even things in Leviticus that are not simply a quote of the Decalogue are of value.

 

[Clare73]

You are using "your words" not Christ's
in Matt 22 Jesus said "on these two commandments depend ALL THE LAW and the PROPHETS" so then "all of scripture" -- not just the ten.
I don't argue that the Decalogue does not remain - only that Jesus' Matt 22 statement does not limit it to "just the Decalogue" that remains or is established/founded on those two commandments.
So even things in Leviticus that are not simply a quote of the Decalogue are of value.

And?

 

[Neogaia777]

@BobRyan

And "I" don't really need "exceptions" really, etc, personally, etc, at least "not except for the exception that Christ has made for me anyway", etc, as I don't think I'm really all that smart enough to "make them all all fully and truly all justly or perfectly anyway", etc, but I am just trying to share with you what I've been learning and/or observing, etc, about a "righteousness that exceeds that of (the letter of) the law", etc...

But, anyway,

God Bless!

 

[Chi.C]

bye

 

[Neogaia777]

God's commandments do not require "unjust judgment"

Never said they did, not the Spirit of them anyway, etc...

God Bless!

 

[BobRyan]

And?

And if we agree at that point - we might not have any differences left on the topic of the Ten Commandments being included in the Law of God written on the heart under the Jer 31:31-34 New Covenant unchanged in Heb 8:6-12.

 

[Nathan@work]

Hebrews 8:10-12 "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

The Covenant is not obsolete as Jesus has not come back with a with a scepter of iron Revelation 19:15.
From the perspective of your faith you are correct. From the perspective of your responsibility to you congregation, the Covenant must be in place.

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Matthew 7:15 "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. . Ye shall know them by their fruits.

The only way to discern the fruits are by the Law, otherwise it is just an opinion.

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The Levitical Laws are not pertinent. Priestly cleansing is not required.
Revelations 4 The High Priest (the Lamb) is Perfect. The temple is Spiritual. The Holy of Holies is no longer needed as the Lamb is on the right hand side of God.

I’ve never seen where we are to judge a false prophet based on the law?

Fruit, yes.

 

[BobRyan]

@BobRyan

And "I" don't really need "exceptions" really, etc, personally, etc, at least "not except for the exception that Christ has made for me anyway", etc, as I don't think I'm really all that smart enough to "make them all all fully and truly all justly or perfectly anyway", etc, but I am just trying to share with you what I've been learning and/or observing, etc, about a "righteousness that exceeds that of (the letter of) the law", etc...

But, anyway,

God Bless!

i am ok with "exceeding the Letter of the Law" as a born-again Christian.. my arguments were not intended to oppose that point.

 

[BobRyan]

I’ve never seen where we are to judge a false prophet based on the law?

Fruit, yes.

Judge a prophet "according to the Law and the Testimony if they speak not according to this Word there is no light in them" Isaiah 8:20 -- the "Sola scriptura" command of the OT

 

[Neogaia777]

i am ok with "exceeding the Letter of the Law" as a born-again Christian.. my arguments were not intended to oppose that point.

OK, great, then we're not in disagreement, gotta go for a little while for now, be back later...

God Bless!

 

[Nathan@work]

Judge a prophet "according to the Law and the Testimony if they speak not according to this Word there is no light in them" Isaiah 8:20 -- the "Sola scriptura" command of the OT

1 Corinthians 14:37 (ESV) If anyone thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that the things I am writing to you are a command of the Lord.

Do you believe this is true?

 

[Clare73]

And if we agree at that point - we might not have any differences left on the topic of the Ten Commandments being included in the Law of God written on the heart under the Jer 31:31-34 New Covenant unchanged in Heb 8:6-12.

I've never said otherwise. . .you've got me confused with someone else.

Jesus is our Sabbath-rest, eternally fulfilled in him.
The Sabbath rest in Heb 4:1-13 is spiritual, it is rest in Christ.
It is rest from our own work to save, and an eternal rest in Christ's work which saved us.

Because he is the fulfillment of the Sabbath, set apart (sanctified) and given for rest (Ex 23:3; Dt 5:14) and worship (Lev 23:3; Is 66:23),
we find the NT Christians assembling to worship on the day of Christ's resurrection, the Lord's Day (Ac 20:7; 1Co 16:2; Rev 1:10).

Salvation is the Lord's! (Rev 7:10)
Paul, who received his revelation from Jesus Christ personally, in the third heaven (2Co 12:1-5), was emphatic about work NOT being
involved in justification/salvation, because in the third heaven he was given to understand why God was so emphatic about the
Sabbath-rest (Ex 31:14-15, 35:2-3; Nu 15:32-36; Jer 17:21-22, 27)--it was a prefigure/sign (as was most of the OT legislation)
of God's everlasting salvation rest in his Son Jesus Christ's atoning work on the cross.

And God is emphatic about salvation rest, prefigured in his OT Sabbath-rest, because
Salvation is the Lord's!. . .all the glory goes to him. . .we do not, and cannot, contribute anything by our work, we must rest
in his work of Jesus' atoning sacrifice.

That is the NT revelation of Heb 4:1-13--an eternal spiritual Sabbath-rest in Jesus Christ for the people of God, which those NT Hebrews were considering not to enter, but to return to their former OT religion, as they had refused to enter Canaan (Heb 3:16-19, 4:2-3, 6, 11), the land of promised rest (Dt 12:9-10, 25:19; Josh 1:13, 11:23, 21:44, 22:4, 23:1).

 

[BobRyan]

Jesus is our Sabbath-rest, eternally fulfilled in him.

I think we even agreed that you don't have that quote from the Bible.. so there is more agreement here than one might first suppose.

The Sabbath rest in Heb 4:1-13 is spiritual, it is rest in Christ.
It is rest from our own work to save, and an eternal rest in Christ's work which saved us.

Correction: Salvation is rest in Christ -- rest from our own work to save, and an eternal rest in Christ's work which saved us.

Sabbath keeping is fellowship with Christ and not taking God's name in vain is obedience to Christ.

Bible details.

Salvation is not a funny sort of way to delete the Commandments of God written on the heart under the New Covenant Jer 31:31-34 which even you admit - includes the Decalogue.

David did not take that to mean we should delete the Sabbath nor did Jeremiah or his readers.

 

[BobRyan]

1 Corinthians 14:37 (ESV) If anyone thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that the things I am writing to you are a command of the Lord.

Do you believe this is true?

Yes -- there are many tests of a prophet.

 

[Clare73]

Jesus is our Sabbath-rest, eternally fulfilled in him.

David did not take that to mean we should delete the Sabbath. nor did Jeremiah or his readers.

Christ is not a deletion, he is its eternal fulfillment (Heb 3:16-19, 4:2-3, 6, 11), in whom we eternally rest from our own work to save.

I think we've covered the waterfront on this.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The healing was not an emergency, couldn't Jesus have told the woman to come back the next day and healed her then?

I think the Pharisees had a similar question.

 

[Chi.C]

bye

 

[Leaf473]

I think the Pharisees had a similar question.

Exactly!

I think Jesus healed the woman on the Sabbath because he had compassion on her.

In the same way, if my neighbor comes to me on the Sabbath and asks for help with her fence, I have compassion on her (hopefully ) and help her on the Sabbath.

Now, are you ready to move on to the subject of doing our work for six days a week and God's work on the Seventh?