Religious conscience and providing services

[RealityCheck]

Fail. Reading a prayer is not a prayer at all unless the reader intends it to be. So the teacher can read it and pray, or read it and not prayer. Thus, prayer is not mandated

Pretzels are less twisted than this logic.

 

[MachZer0]

Pretzels are less twisted than this logic.

Twisted logic would be claiming that a teacher reading the prayer of someone else to students is the same as the teacher praying. You might as well claim that if the teacher reads the Gettysburg Address, he is actually giving the Gettysburg address. Or that when a teacher reads the President's oath of office to his students, he is thus taking the oath of office

 

[TLK Valentine]

Twisted logic would be claiming that a teacher reading the prayer of someone else to students is the same as the teacher praying. You might as well claim that if the teacher reads the Gettysburg Address, he is actually giving the Gettysburg address. Or that when a teacher reads the President's oath of office to his students, he is thus taking the oath of office

So what's the point of having the teacher read the prayer?

 

[MachZer0]

So what's the point of having the teacher read the prayer?

Civic lesson

 

[RealityCheck]

Civic lesson

Prayers are to civics lessons as:

a) jello is to cockroach
b) garbage is to ocean
c) cellophane is to bookshelf
d) lotteries are to pencils

 

[MachZer0]

Prayers are to civics lessons as:

a) jello is to cockroach
b) garbage is to ocean
c) cellophane is to bookshelf
d) lotteries are to pencils

Perhaps you should have read the proposed law

A BILL TO BE ENTITLED AN ACT
To prescribe a period of time in the public schools not to exceed 15 minutes for study of the formal procedures followed by the United States Congress, which study shall include a reading verbatim of one of the opening prayers given by the House or Senate Chaplain or a guest member of the clergy at the beginning of a meeting of the United States House of Representatives or Senate.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Perhaps you should have read the proposed law

A BILL TO BE ENTITLED AN ACT
To prescribe a period of time in the public schools not to exceed 15 minutes for study of the formal procedures followed by the United States Congress, which study shall include a reading verbatim of one of the opening prayers given by the House or Senate Chaplain or a guest member of the clergy at the beginning of a meeting of the United States House of Representatives or Senate.

And you actually believe that -- how adorable.

 

[MachZer0]

And you actually believe that -- how adorable.

Being the actual text of the bill, yes. The mandatory prayer notion has been thoroughly debunked

 

[Bedford]

Perhaps you should have read the proposed law

A BILL TO BE ENTITLED AN ACT
To prescribe a period of time in the public schools not to exceed 15 minutes for study of the formal procedures followed by the United States Congress, which study shall include a reading verbatim of one of the opening prayers given by the House or Senate Chaplain or a guest member of the clergy at the beginning of a meeting of the United States House of Representatives or Senate.

Nice to see you conveniently highlighted the wrong part of the bill. LOL

 

[MachZer0]

Nice to see you conveniently highlighted the wrong part of the bill. LOL

I didn't. It stated the purpose which, contrary to what has been claimed, was not mandatory prayer

 

[Bedford]

I didn't. It stated the purpose which, contrary to what has been claimed, was not mandatory prayer

Please don't try to dismiss the fact that you neglected to highlight the pertinent part relating to the prayers.

We see what you did and what you are trying to do.


LOL

 

[TLK Valentine]

Being the actual text of the bill, yes. The mandatory prayer notion has been thoroughly debunked

Ok, so if you're going with the "civics lesson":

1. What will the students' assessment be?
2. Why stretch it out over an entire school year? Any teacher worth his/her salt can make it into a simple lesson plan and get it done over 1-2 weeks, tops.
3. Why only fifteen minutes a day? That's not nearly enough time for a day's lesson to sink in -- especially if we're covering all the formal procedures covered by the U.S. Congress.
4. Why, out of all the formal procedures followed by the U.S. Congress, was prayer the only one specifically mentioned?
5. For that matter, why was it so important to specify that the prayer be recited "verbatim"? Does everything come to a halt if the thing is paraphrased?

Feel free to answer any of the questions (I wouldn't dream of pressuring you to do them all) to the best of your ability.

 

[MachZer0]

Please don't try to dismiss the fact that you neglected to highlight the pertinent part relating to the prayers.

We see what you did and what you are trying to do.


LOL

The prayers are part of the formal procedure so the pertinent part was indeed highlighted, PROVING that the bill in no way mandates prayer in public school

 

[TLK Valentine]

The prayers are part of the formal procedure so the pertinent part was indeed highlighted, PROVING that the bill in way mandates prayer in public school

Typo or Freudian slip? You make the call...

 

[MachZer0]

Typo or Freudian slip? You make the call...

Thanks for catching that typo

 

[Boondock_Saint]

Joshua 24:15
2 Corinthians 5:1-13

The courts are going to decide on the issue and Christians are not going to like it. Luckily for us, we don't have to worry.

What we should worry about is getting Christians out of the slaughter houses in the middle east. We don't face any persecution in America. Until they hang us from our feet and drain our blood for being a Christian, we have nothing to worry about. If you don't believe that it's really happening, you should investigate and spend your time worrying about this. Not birth control. We already lost. Collect your pride and look around.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Thanks for catching that typo

Well, that's one man's opinion.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Joshua 24:15
2 Corinthians 5:1-13

The courts are going to decide on the issue and Christians are not going to like it. Luckily for us, we don't have to worry.

Worry about what? You seem oddly pessimistic.

 

[MachZer0]

Well, that's one man's opinion.

And the opinion of the one man who counts.

 

[TLK Valentine]

And the opinion of the one man who counts.

I'm sure your counting is just fine; it's your syntax that needs work.