Religious conscience and providing services

[Boondock_Saint]

Worry about what? You seem oddly pessimistic.

Don't need to worry about persecution. I'm sorry I thought people would be able to put two and two together.

 

[mafwons]

And, by the way, businesses are allowed to refuse service all the time! The TV networks have refused to take public ads that they found too controversial, usually religious messages, for the Super Bowl and other sporting and public events. Businesses CAN and do have the right to refuse business from nearly anyone! They just cannot illegally discriminate.

Yes I took notice much to my suprise that in st louis it seems acceptable to deny use of public facilities to those who do not meet the dress code. I could easily see these rules being used for religious discrimination, I have inquired with managers at several stores, and they can't imagine they are doing anything wrong.

 

[FuzzyBunnySlippers]

It is up to the individual business owner. No matter their faith. Anyone who has ever suffered discrimination, and I have, knows how it feels.

 

[TLK Valentine]

It is up to the individual business owner. No matter their faith. Anyone who has ever suffered discrimination, and I have, knows how it feels.

Well, if there's no difference between "we don't serve your kind here" and "God wouldn't like it if we served your kind here," then why do we need a law to allow only for religious excuses?

 

[MachZer0]

Well, if there's no difference between "we don't serve your kind here" and "God wouldn't like it if we served your kind here," then why do we need a law to allow only for religious excuses?

We shouldn't. A business owner should have the right to refuse service to anyone

 

[SolomonVII]

Freedom of association is like the most abused of the American freedoms. We can all appreciate the history behind why this is so, and the good intentions that went into the regulation of that freedom into an increasingly banal and meaningless freedom.

That doesn't mean that that freedom has been trod on and ground into the dirt rather thoroughly by now.

 

[MachZer0]

Freedom of association is like the most abused of the American freedoms. We can all appreciate the history behind why this is so, and the good intentions that went into the regulation of that freedom into an increasingly banal and meaningless freedom.

That doesn't mean that that freedom has been trod on and ground into the dirt rather thoroughly by now.

The question has to be asked. If we can force [businesses to serve customers, can we force customers to patronize a business?

 

[mafwons]

The question has to be asked. If we can force [businesses to serve customers, can we force customers to patronize a business?

Sure if it pleases some lobby, that yells louder really loud and really wants it.

 

[TLK Valentine]

We shouldn't. A business owner should have the right to refuse service to anyone

So that is how the law should be worded -- a blanket protection, without religious excuses.

 

[MachZer0]

So that is how the law should be worded -- a blanket protection, without religious excuses.

It's called liberty

 

[SolomonVII]

The question has to be asked. If we can force [businesses to serve customers, can we force customers to patronize a business?

Yes. The Supreme Court ruled that way by making enrolling in insurance mandatory, with penalties imposed on those who refuse to buy.

The idea of liberty keeps getting in the way of the best of intentions of those who know what is best for everyone.

 

[mafwons]

Yes. The Supreme Court ruled that way by making enrolling in insurance mandatory, with penalties imposed on those who refuse to buy.

The idea of liberty keeps getting in t



he way of the best of intentions of those who know what is best for everyone.

Liberty we cant have liberty, who would the politicians harass then.

 

[SolomonVII]

I don't know that liberty has ever actually existed in any society from the dawn of civilization until the American revolution, and the progression of liberties that ensued from the proclamation of that radical ideal.

Perhaps, before the dawn of civilization, in primitive tribal communities something close to liberty was the norm, but from the time of the pharoahs, men have lived in chains.

There is nothing easy about liberty though. People who are free to act morally and respectfully are also free to act unkindly and disrespectfully. Words wound, people get left out, feelings get hurt.
It doesn't change the fact that liberty is our destiny. We were all born to be free, and as long as there is human nature, people will continue to kick at their oppressors.

 

[mafwons]

I don't know that liberty has ever actually existed in any society from the dawn of civilization until the American revolution, and the progression of liberties that ensued from the proclamation of that radical ideal.

Perhaps, before the dawn of civilization, in primitive tribal communities something close to liberty was the norm, but from the time of the pharoahs, men have lived in chains.

There is nothing easy about liberty though. People who are free to act morally and respectfully are also free to act unkindly and disrespectfully. Words wound, people get left out, feelings get hurt.
It doesn't change the fact that liberty is our destiny. We were all born to be free, and as long as there is human nature, people will continue to kick at their oppressors.

True, but sadly we seem to give liberty away in the name of a kinder gentler existence, until one day we wake up and say, "Hey, what happened? "

 

[TLK Valentine]

It's called liberty

Fine by me -- but if you're going to have liberty, it should be for everyone, not just the religious, correct?

 

[MachZer0]

Fine by me -- but if you're going to have liberty, it should be for everyone, not just the religious, correct?

Yes

 

[EdwinWillers]

The question has to be asked. If we can force businesses to serve customers, can we force customers to patronize a business?

Sure, that's the whole point of Obamacare.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Sure, that's the whole point of Obamacare.

That concept existed before Obamacare -- for example, in my home state of New Jersey, car owners are required by law to have car insurance.

 

[MachZer0]

That concept existed before Obamacare -- for example, in my home state of New Jersey, car owners are required by law to have car insurance.

The difference there is that driving is a privilege and the insurance is to protect the people you might harm

 

[SolomonVII]

That concept existed before Obamacare -- for example, in my home state of New Jersey, car owners are required by law to have car insurance.

You can live without a car, but not without a body.

Well, not a a voting citizen anyway.

Well not as a voting citizen that doesn't vote Democrat anyway.