Religious conscience and providing services

[MachZer0]

Like mandated prayer in public schools? Now that's forced compliance to someone else's ideology.

So who's advocating for that?

 

[MachZer0]

But that's not what happened. They are seeking to force others to comply with their civil rights and the rule of law.

Are women being bigots when they sue for equal pay? Were blacks bigoted by insisting on service at Woolworth's lunch counter and more recently at Denny's?

The situations aren't comparable

 

[TLK Valentine]

So who's advocating for that?

Conservative Christians, of course.

As if you didn't know.

 

[MachZer0]

Conservative Christians, of course.

As if you didn't know.

Links? (not holding my breath of course)

 

[Bedford]

Alabama Legislator Moves To Make Prayer Mandatory In Public Schools | JONATHAN TURLEY

 

[TLK Valentine]

The situations aren't comparable

Not by you, anyway

 

[MachZer0]

Alabama Legislator Moves To Make Prayer Mandatory In Public Schools | JONATHAN TURLEY

Fail, but nice try

 

[Bedford]

Fail, but nice try

Looks like you are in denial

 

[MachZer0]

Looks like you are in denial

 

[Bedford]

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I provided a link your requested, yet you fail to explain why you believe it is a fail.


Please refrain from trolling and explain why you believe the link is a fail.

 

[bhsmte]

I provided a link your requested, yet you fail to explain why you believe it is a fail.


Please refrain from trolling and explain why you believe the link is a fail.

That would be a waste of time, he won't.

 

[MachZer0]

I provided a link your requested, yet you fail to explain why you believe it is a fail.

You presented a link to a proposed law that requires teachers to read a prayer given in Congress as a n educational experience. Nothing in the law mandated anyone to pray.

Please refrain from trolling and explain why you believe the link is a fail.

 

[Bedford]

You presented a link to a proposed law that requires teachers to read a prayer given in Congress as a n educational experience. Nothing in the law mandated anyone to pray.

There it is - Reading a prayer verbatim is a prayer.

Initiated by teachers

forced reading of prayers in schools.

Section 1. At the commencement of the first class of each day in all grades in all public schools, the teacher in charge of the room in which such class is held shall, for a period of time not exceeding 15 minutes, instruct the class in the formal procedures followed by the United States Congress. The study shall include, but not be limited to, a reading verbatim of one of the opening prayers given by the House or Senate Chaplain or a guest member of the clergy at the beginning of a meeting of the House of Representatives or the Senate

 

[bhsmte]

There it is - Reading a prayer verbatim is a prayer.

Initiated by teachers

forced reading of prayers in schools.

But, that doesn't count, because not compelling the school to read the prayers would be violating the rights of the religious folks who want to read the prayer. And we all know, school is the only place these prayers can be read, because I guess it isn't good enough for them to read them in the privacy of their home or church.

 

[Bedford]

But, that doesn't count, because not compelling the school to read the prayers would be violating the rights of the religious folks who want to read the prayer. And we all know, school is the only place these prayers can be read, because I guess it isn't good enough for them to read them in the privacy of their home or church.

It IS compelling the schools to read prayers. EVERY teacher in the schools. Are you saying that teachers are not part of the school system?

right now, children are allowed to pray in schools and there is no issue as long as it is not initiated by a faculty member - and this law changes all that.

 

[bhsmte]

It IS compelling the schools to read prayers. EVERY teacher in the schools. Are you saying that teachers are not part of the school system?

right now, children are allowed to pray in schools and there is no issue as long as it is not initiated by a faculty member - and this law changes all that.

I was joking and being sarcastic.

Where are the muslim and Hindu prayers being offered by these schools? Those folks have the right to display their religious freedoms too, don't they?

 

[Bedford]

I was joking and being sarcastic.

Where are the muslim and Hindu prayers being offered by these schools? Those folks have the right to display their religious freedoms too, don't they?

Sorry, I missed it

It seems they are trying to use the "if it is good enough for Congress, it is good enough for us" defense, which is a compelling argument. Who knows? Perhaps this might bring about the end of prayer in Congress?

 

[bhsmte]

Sorry, I missed it

It seems they are trying to use the "if it is good enough for Congress, it is good enough for us" defense, which is a compelling argument. Who knows? Perhaps this might bring about the end of prayer in Congress?

I just wonder how Christians will do when a muslim student demands a muslim prayer be read in school. Christians claim they have a right to religious freedom based on the constitution and that would mean the muslim has the same right.

 

[Arcangl86]

The situations aren't comparable

Why not?

 

[MachZer0]

There it is - Reading a prayer verbatim is a prayer.

Initiated by teachers

forced reading of prayers in schools.

Fail. Reading a prayer is not a prayer at all unless the reader intends it to be. So the teacher can read it and pray, or read it and not prayer. Thus, prayer is not mandated