Religions

[AV1611VET]

I guess Kurt Cameron and Nicolas Cage were left behind.

Interpretation makes for interesting conclusions.

Too bad he won't answer me; but that's typical.

It's much easier to accuse someone of adding to the Bible, than it is to QED, isn't it?

For the record, I'll throw it out to the general audience here.

Q: The Bible says we are going to be raptured. Did I just add to the Bible?

 

[essentialsaltes]

"Torah is part of Islam. What says in Torah is enhanced in Koran."

Tell me an example (about creationism) of that. Please.

The beginning of Sura 4

"O mankind, fear your Lord, who created you from one soul and created from it its mate and dispersed from both of them many men and women."

Now your turn. What is an example of creationism in the NT?

 

[juvenissun]

The beginning of Sura 4

"O mankind, fear your Lord, who created you from one soul and created from it its mate and dispersed from both of them many men and women."

Now your turn. What is an example of creationism in the NT?

That koran verse (assume correctly translated) promotes evolution, except the first creation of the "one soul". As a religion derived from Judaism, Islam is sooo..... poor on this critical issue. No wonder they avoid this issue as hard as they could in their doctrine.

The Christian version is: God creates Adam. Then God creates Eve. That is it. All humans after that are NOT newly created.

Many descriptions in the Letters of Hebrews, John, Peter, Jude, and Revelation explain creationism. Many.

 

[essentialsaltes]

That koran verse (assume correctly translated) promotes evolution

How so?

The Christian version is: God creates Adam. Then God creates Eve. That is it. All humans after that are NOT newly created.

That's what the Koran says.

God created one soul (Adam)
"and created from it its mate" (Eve)
"and dispersed from both of them many men and women." (and all humans after that came from Adam and Eve)

Many descriptions in the Letters of Hebrews, John, Peter, Jude, and Revelation explain creationism. Many.

Then it will be easy for you to quote one example.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Too bad he won't answer me; but that's typical.

It's much easier to accuse someone of adding to the Bible, than it is to QED, isn't it?

For the record, I'll throw it out to the general audience here.

Q: The Bible says we are going to be raptured. Did I just add to the Bible?

We can come back to that question later. Let's deal with your initial claim:

The Antichrist will indeed come from a ten-nation European confederacy.

It doesn't actually say that, does it? So you are adding to the Bible.

 

[AV1611VET]

It doesn't actually say that, does it? So you are adding to the Bible.

Daniel 2.

 

[juvenissun]

How so?



That's what the Koran says.

God created one soul (Adam)
"and created from it its mate" (Eve)
"and dispersed from both of them many men and women." (and all humans after that came from Adam and Eve)



Then it will be easy for you to quote one example.

"O mankind, fear your Lord, who created you from one soul and created from it its mate and dispersed from both of them many men and women."

I was not created from one soul.

"From", "dispersed", are key words used In evolution process.

The creationism said in Koran only gives part of the Adam and Eve story. No more than that. How much can evolutionists attack that?

How much can evolutionists attack the creationism said in the Bible?

That is why evolutionists do not attack the Koran.

 

[Euler]

That koran verse (assume correctly translated) promotes evolution, except the first creation of the "one soul". As a religion derived from Judaism, Islam is sooo..... poor on this critical issue. No wonder they avoid this issue as hard as they could in their doctrine.

The Christian version is: God creates Adam. Then God creates Eve. That is it. All humans after that are NOT newly created.

Really? Where did Cain get his wife from? Where did his son and grandchildren get their wives from?

 

[essentialsaltes]

"O mankind, fear your Lord, who created you from one soul and created from it its mate and dispersed from both of them many men and women."

I was not created from one soul.

You are not a son of Adam?

Honestly, it's pathetically obvious how you strain and obfuscate. The meaning of the text is clear. God created one soul (Adam), and from it its mate (Eve), and from them the rest of humanity.

"From", "dispersed", are key words used In evolution process.

Pathetic. One might as well say that 'begat' is a key word In evolution process.

Anyway...

2Ch 11:23
And he dealt wisely, and dispersed of all his children throughout all the countries of Judah and Benjamin, unto every fenced city: and he gave them victual in abundance. And he desired many wives.

A key word used In evolution process. In the bible. The bible teaches evolution. Those children have evolved.

Isaiah 16:5
In love a throne will be established; in faithfulness a man will sit on it-- one from the house of David-- one who in judging seeks justice and speeds the cause of righteousness.

A key word used In evolution process. In the bible. The bible teaches evolution. Jesus evolved.

........

PS You still have not given a single example of creationism in the NT.

 

[EternalDragon]

Really? Where did Cain get his wife from?

Sister

Where did his son and grandchildren get their wives from?

Sister, cousin, second cousin, third cousin, distant relative, etc.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Daniel 2.

Where does Daniel 2 say "European nations"?

 

[Strathos]

Funny how Christian creationists can interpret the Koran as supporting evolution but not the Bible. I wonder if Muslim creationists think the Bible supports evolution but the Koran doesn't?

 

[Euler]

Sister

Sister, cousin, second cousin, third cousin, distant relative, etc.

Ummmm. How do you get a cousin when you don't have any aunts or uncles!!?

 

[AV1611VET]

Where does Daniel 2 say "European nations"?

Just below where it talks about Babylon, Medo-Persia, the Greek empire, then the Roman empire.

 

[juvenissun]

You are not a son of Adam?

Honestly, it's pathetically obvious how you strain and obfuscate. The meaning of the text is clear. God created one soul (Adam), and from it its mate (Eve), and from them the rest of humanity.

Pathetic. One might as well say that 'begat' is a key word In evolution process.

Anyway...

A key word used In evolution process. In the bible. The bible teaches evolution. Those children have evolved.

A key word used In evolution process. In the bible. The bible teaches evolution. Jesus evolved.

........

PS You still have not given a single example of creationism in the NT.

Are you a scientist? If you do science this way, it would be disastrous for you.

"O mankind, fear your Lord, who created you from one soul and created from it its mate and dispersed from both of them many men and women."

I am not distorting anything. I am NOT created from that one soul.
And the "from" and "disperse" here describe the action of that god. They are not actions of creation.

All your other points are smoke screens. Focus on the issue: Islam does not say anything about creation, except Adam (even Adam is created indirectly. The only thing Allah created is that "one soul"). Admit it. In case you like to talk about other issues, we can do that after this.

 

[essentialsaltes]

All your other points are smoke screens. Focus on the issue: Islam does not say anything about creation, except Adam

Wrong.

Sura 7:54

Indeed, your Lord is Allah , who created the heavens and earth in six days and then established Himself above the Throne. He covers the night with the day, [another night] chasing it rapidly; and [He created] the sun, the moon, and the stars, subjected by His command. Unquestionably, His is the creation and the command; blessed is Allah , Lord of the worlds.

PS You still have not given a single example of creationism in the NT.

 

[juvenissun]

Wrong.

Sura 7:54

Indeed, your Lord is Allah , who created the heavens and earth in six days and then established Himself above the Throne. He covers the night with the day, [another night] chasing it rapidly; and [He created] the sun, the moon, and the stars, subjected by His command. Unquestionably, His is the creation and the command; blessed is Allah , Lord of the worlds.

PS You still have not given a single example of creationism in the NT.

Thanks for digging that out. Does the koran explicitly describe the Six Days creation like what the Genesis 1 does? Or, I genuinely hope so, did the koran say something else about the Islamic version of creation in additional to what has been said in the Bible?

The creationism described in the Bible is mainly on the Genesis 1. However, there are many other Books in the Bible set many footnotes on that descriptions. Does koran also do that? I strongly doubt it.

For example:
I Peter 1:20 Who [Jesus] verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

(John 1 and the Book of Hebrews have many elaborations on creationism. But I skip these obvious sources, and show you some others. If this one in the I Peter 1 is not enough, I can find another one easily.)

 

[essentialsaltes]

Thanks for digging that out. Does the koran explicitly describe the Six Days creation like what the Genesis 1 does?

Not that I can tell. But neither does the NT.

Or, I genuinely hope so, did the koran say something else about the Islamic version of creation in additional to what has been said in the Bible?

An addition (I think) is that the god of the Koran creates the animals from water (Adam is created from clay).

Sura 24:45

Allah has created every [living] creature from water. And of them are those that move on their bellies, and of them are those that walk on two legs, and of them are those that walk on four. Allah creates what He wills. Indeed, Allah is over all things competent.

The creationism described in the Bible is mainly on the Genesis 1. However, there are many other Books in the Bible set many footnotes on that descriptions. Does koran also do that? I strongly doubt it.

I just showed that the Koran describes more about how the animals were created. I would count that as a footnote. Another example would be that the Koran describes its god as creating "the seven heavens".

Sura 2:29

It is He who created for you all of that which is on the earth. Then He directed Himself to the heaven, [His being above all creation], and made them seven heavens, and He is Knowing of all things.

Whereas you have offered:

For example:
I Peter 1:20 Who [Jesus] verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

This does not even describe the act of creation, much less tell us anything about it. It is simply a reference to 'the beginning of time'. This does not say very much about creationism.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Just below where it talks about Babylon, Medo-Persia, the Greek empire, then the Roman empire.

You mean the part where it may allude to the (mostly non-European) Byzantine Empire? How do you know it's not talking about USA? Or Peru? It turns out you're adding to the Bible. Again.

 

[AV1611VET]

How do you know it's not talking about USA? Or Peru? It turns out you're adding to the Bible.

Does it matter if the passage is talking about the USA or Peru? either way, you would accuse me of adding to the Bible, wouldn't you?

You say: "maybe USA or Peru".

I say: "some European nation".

What's the difference?

Either way, "adding to the Bible" is a false accusation.