Religions

[Gracchus]

Christians are a nice bunch. [full stop].

There are some nice Christians. As a bunch they are no nicer than any random bunch.

Would these cowards who attack Christianity dare attack anything other than Christianity? They would get themselves into big trouble.

There are plenty of folks attacking Muslims, these days. Jews are still a popular target.

They attack Christians because they know Christians will not hit them back.

It must be nice living in your fantasy world.

 

[Queller]

Thanks. These are no more then what I have discovered.

Then why did you need me to point them out?

All the creationism content in Islam is included in a few verses of the Bible. The Bible describes much much more creationism than Islam. There is not much about creationism on Islam to attach.

You asked for verses in Islam that conflict with evolution. I provided them.

Very disappointing. Hinduism does not talk about creation at all, but talk all about evolution in its origin issues.

Are you unable to read? What is the concept of "all life coming from a cosmic golden egg" about if not creation?

Genesis 1 is the focus of many atheistic attack (in the name of science).

False. A literal interpretation of Genesis maybe, but not Genesis itself.

There is no such content in any other religions.

Hmm, I guess you can't read. Otherwise how could you have missed all the verses I posted.

If you attack Islam on human creation, they will have nothing else to say, but to avoid the issue. So the attack ceased.

Christianity has a perfect theory about creation.

Really? What is it? Because a 6,000 year old earth doesn't fit any of the facts, therefore it cannot be perfect.

And it is, indeed, a pullet-proof theory. That is why it attracted so many attacks and is still standing strong.

Umm, what? YEC can't explain anything in science better that science can. Nothing.

 

[Queller]

Unbelief can keep even the most intelligent and well-informed in the dark.

So can ill-informed belief.

It won't be the Bible belt that the Antichrist is going to make his appearance though.

It will be from a confederation of European nations.

You just can't seem to stop adding to the Bible, can you?

 

[AV1611VET]

You just can't seem to stop adding to the Bible, can you?

Thanks for the QED.

 

[JayFern]

You just can't seem to stop adding to the Bible, can you?

That's because for most Christians/creationists the Bible is not enough, that's why they argue against evolution and keep looking for Noah's Ark, they can not sit quietly and free good about what they believe they must all try to prove to themselves and every one else that there is no doubt that what they believe is true, how can they not? who in their right mind would believe something that was not true? with no supporting evidence they are caught in a vicious trap.

The stories in the Bible are told to the young and some of them accept them as fact but most just can not come to terms with them and deep down don't believe them, they however see what it means to their parents so they try as hard as they can to believe them in order to please them, everyone around them says the stories are true [even the people who do not believe them] so they can at least tell themselves there must be something to the stories even if they are not fully committed to believing them.

 

[AV1611VET]

That's because for most Christians/creationists the Bible is not enough, that's why they argue against evolution and keep looking for Noah's Ark, they can not sit quietly and free good about what they believe they must all try to prove to themselves and every one else that there is no doubt that what they believe is true, how can they not? who in their right mind would believe something that was not true? with no supporting evidence they are caught in a vicious trap.

The stories in the Bible are told to the young and some of them accept them as fact but most just can not come to terms with them and deep down don't believe them, they however see what it means to their parents so they try as hard as they can to believe them in order to please them, everyone around them says the stories are true [even the people who do not believe them] so they can at least tell themselves there must be something to the stories even if they are not fully committed to believing them.

Meaning, in other words, you've never heard it before?

That's usually the first thing I think of when I get accused of "adding to the Bible".

What they're really saying is: "I never heard that before."

The Antichrist will indeed come from a ten-nation European confederacy.

You call it "adding to the Bible;" we call it "basic doctrine."

If you were to just Google it (and I find it hard to believe you and Queller didn't), I think you'd find I didn't make it up -- whether you believe what comes up or not.

But it's much easier to accuse someone of just "adding to the Bible," isn't it?

 

[EternalDragon]

What you're talking about is philosophical naturalism. Science is wedded to methodological naturalism. There's a difference.

In contrast, assuming naturalism in working methods, without necessarily considering naturalism as an absolute truth with philosophical entailments, is called methodological naturalism.[5] The subject matter here is a philosophy of acquiring knowledge.

Then can I call creationism, methodological creationism and you won't
have a problem with it being accepted then?

 

[lasthero]

Then can I call creationism, methodological creationism and you won't
have a problem with it being accepted then?

No, because that's just something you made up. What I described is an actual thing. The page you quoted even talks about it.

 

[EternalDragon]

No, because that's just something you made up. What I described is an actual thing. The page you quoted even talks about it.

How about Intelligent Design (creationism) then? And isn't Methodological
Naturalism just something someone made up as well at one point? It is
an invented term you know.

Tacking on "methodological" does not remove the "naturalism". And it's
still "philosophical knowledge" by the way.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Meaning, in other words, you've never heard it before?

That's usually the first thing I think of when I get accused of "adding to the Bible".

What they're really saying is: "I never heard that before."

The Antichrist will indeed come from a ten-nation European confederacy.

You call it "adding to the Bible;" we call it "basic doctrine."

If you were to just Google it (and I find it hard to believe you and Queller didn't), I think you'd find I didn't make it up -- whether you believe what comes up or not.

But it's much easier to accuse someone of just "adding to the Bible," isn't it?

When you claim the Bible says something it doesn't say it is known as "adding to the Bible." You are adding to the Bible.

 

[lasthero]

How about Intelligent Design (creationism) then?

I was under the impression that Intelligent Design wasn't creationism. That's what IDists typically say, anyway. Has there been some change?

And isn't Methodological
Naturalism just something someone made up as well at one point?

It's just a method for acquiring knowledge. It's not a philosophy or a belief system or a theory or anything like. It's just the scientific method. If ID is truly science, it has to conform to methodological naturalism.

Tacking on "methodological" does not remove the "naturalism"

Yes, but you're not just talking about 'naturalism', what you're describing is philosophical naturalism. What's actually taught in science class is methodological naturalism. Science can only deal with the study of natural causes, because those are the only ones that can be reproduced and tested.

Methodological naturalism doesn't claim that supernatural causes doesn't exist or that nature is all that there is - the scientific method is just a tool, there's no truth claim. Philisophical naturalism is what makes that claim.

 

[juvenissun]

Torah is part of Islam. What says in Torah is enhanced in Koran.

Tell me an example (about creationism) of that. Please.

 

[juvenissun]

Then why did you need me to point them out?

You asked for verses in Islam that conflict with evolution. I provided them.

Are you unable to read? What is the concept of "all life coming from a cosmic golden egg" about if not creation?

That is an evolutional idea.

 

[EternalDragon]

I was under the impression that Intelligent Design wasn't creationism. That's what IDists typically say, anyway. Has there been some change?

It's just a method for acquiring knowledge. It's not a philosophy or a belief system or a theory or anything like. It's just the scientific method. If ID is truly science, it has to conform to methodological naturalism.

Yes, but you're not just talking about 'naturalism', what you're describing is philosophical naturalism. What's actually taught in science class is methodological naturalism. Science can only deal with the study of natural causes, because those are the only ones that can be reproduced and tested.

Methodological naturalism doesn't claim that supernatural causes doesn't exist or that nature is all that there is - the scientific method is just a tool, there's no truth claim. Philisophical naturalism is what makes that claim.

Then you should not accept common decent or that an ape turned into
a man because it has not been reproduced nor tested.

You keep talking but I don't think you really understand what you are
saying.

 

[lasthero]

Then you should not accept common decent or that an ape turned into
a man because it has not been reproduced nor tested.

Yes, it has. The only problem is that you seem to think the only way to test a result is by witnessing it first hand. That's not the case. We don't have to see atoms to know the properties of atoms, we don't have to watch planets orbit the sun to know how their orbits work, and we don't have to witness common descent first hand to know about it.

 

[Strathos]

Tell me this, people that believe in evolution, if you disagree with creationists so much, why is Christianity the only religion thats hated?

It's not.

and why do people only Use Jesus's name as a swear word and no one else's name?

Many languages include the names of local deities or people as swear words in certain contexts.

why do people hate christianity so much but not muslims?

Tons of people hate Muslims.

Islamophobia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

or paganism,

You mean the group of religions that was so hated that many of them were forcefully converted or victims of genocide?

I know why, because Satan is trying to get you to hate christianity and to turn to evolution, if it wasn't true then other religions would be attacked and mocked just as much as christianity, but every athiest I see only mocks and hates Christianity and the Bible, and just ignore the rest, does that not mean all of you know there is truth in the Bible?

If you want to use how hated and persecuted a religion is as a metric to judge its truthfulness, then you should convert to Judaism pronto. Remember that whole Holocaust thing?

so you are trying to get us Christians to disprove evolution for you?
So you basicly are always asking US to disprove it for you, while you ignore every other religion, as I said before sense you do this YOU know there is truth in the Bible, and that it is the WORD OF GOD, but you want evolution disproved, even though you know its false already.

Actually, I believe the Bible and I accept the scientific evidence for evolution. Contrary to what your pastor might have told you, they're not mutually exclusive.

Alot of you will disagree with what I just wrote, but every athiest/evolutionist I've seen shows that they do believe in the word of God/The Bible, if you didn't you would just ignore it, and you would also attack other religions other then Christianity.

Believing in God and the Bible =/= rejecting scientific evidence of evolution and common descent.

 

[AV1611VET]

When you claim the Bible says something it doesn't say it is known as "adding to the Bible." You are adding to the Bible.

The Bible says we are going to be raptured.

Did I just add to It?

 

[JustMeSee]

I have a feeling @bhsmte is trying to say most christians believe in evolution, and if thats what he is saying that is 100% false, I havn't seen many christians who believe in evolution, and the ones that do are catholic or diest, which those are not christians.

How many Christians have you seen. There are a huge number of them.

BTW, making such catholic remarks may be against the rules. First church and all.

 

[JustMeSee]

The Bible says we are going to be raptured.

Did I just add to It?

I guess Kurt Cameron and Nicolas Cage were left behind.

Interpretation makes for interesting conclusions.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Then you should not accept common decent or that an ape turned into
a man because it has not been reproduced nor tested.

It can't be reproduced, but it most certainly can be tested in multiple ways. And it has been.

You keep talking but I don't think you really understand what you are
saying.

Says the guy who refuses to understand the difference between "methodological" and "philosophical".