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Tell me this, people that believe in evolution, if you disagree with creationists so much, why is Christianity the only religion thats hated?

In the western world, it is only christians who are fighting hard to remove science from classrooms because they see knowledge as a threat to their religious dogmas.

and why do people only Use Jesus's name as a swear word and no one else's name?

Because we learned to swear from christians. Not many of us have muslim parents.

why do people hate christianity so much but not muslims?

Who hates christians? What we do not like is the creationist movement, but on a personal level very few of us hate individual creationists or christians. You can hate an idea without hating a person.

so you are trying to get us Christians to disprove evolution for you?

The muslim creationists are happy to jump in as well. As it turns out, they tend to stay away from forums like these. In fact, christian creationists tend to stay away from the muslim creationists as well.
 
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I like to know the verses in Islam and Hinduism that conflict with evolution theory. If you do know some, please teach. Appreciate it.
No problem.

Islam:
"We created man from sounding clay, from mud molded into shape" (al-Hijr 26).

"He created man from sounding clay like unto pottery. (ar-Rahman 14)

"…Are they the more difficult to create, or the (other) beings We have created? Them have We created out of a sticky clay" (as-Saaffat 11)

"He Who has made everything which He has created most Good. He began the creation of man with (nothing more than) clay" (as-Sajda 7)

"Man We did create from a quintessence (of clay)" (al-Mu'minun 12)

"He it is who created you from clay, and then decreed a stated term (for you)" (al-Anam 2).


"From the (earth) did We create you" (Taha 55)

"Among His Signs is this that He created you from dust; and then Behold ye are men scattered (far and wide)!" (ar-Rum 20)

"... Iblis said "Shall I bow down to one whom Thou didst create from clay?" (al-Isra 61, al-Araf 12, Sad 76)


Hindu:
Rigveda HYMN XC. Puruṣa.
1. A THOUSAND heads hath Puruṣa, a thousand eyes, a thousand feet.
On every side pervading earth he fills a space ten fingers wide.
2 This Puruṣa is all that yet hath been and all that is to be;
The Lord of Immortality which waxes greater still by food.
3 So mighty is his greatness; yea, greater than this is Puruṣa.
All creatures are one-fourth of him, three-fourths eternal life in heaven.
4 With three-fourths Puruṣa went up: one-fourth of him again was here.
Thence he strode out to every side over what cats not and what cats.
5 From him Virāj was born; again Puruṣa from Virāj was born.
As soon as he was born he spread eastward and westward o’er the earth.
Upanishads FOURTH BRÂHMANA
1. In the beginning this was Self alone, in the shape of a person (purusha). He looking round saw nothing but his Self. He first said, 'This is I;' therefore he became I by name. Therefore even now, if a man is asked, he first says, 'This is I,' and then pronounces the other name which he may have. And because before (pûrva) all this, he (the Self) burnt down (ush) all evils, therefore he was a person (pur-usha). Verily he who knows this, burns down every one who tries to be before him.
2. He feared, and therefore any one who is lonely fears. He thought, 'As there is nothing but myself, why should I fear?' Thence his fear passed away. For what should he have feared? Verily fear arises from a second only.
3. But he felt no delight. Therefore a man who is lonely feels no delight. He wished for a second. He was so large as man and wife together. He then made this his Self to fall in two (pat), and thence arose husband (pati) and wife (patnî). Therefore Yâgñavalkya said: 'We two are thus (each of us) like half a shell.' Therefore the void which was there, is filled by the wife. He embraced her, and men were born.
4. She thought, 'How can he embrace me, after having produced me from himself? I shall hide myself.'
She then became a cow, the other became a bull and embraced her, and hence cows were born. The one became a mare, the other a stallion; the one a male ass, the other a female ass. He embraced her, and hence one-hoofed animals were born. The one became a she-goat, the other a he-goat; the one became a ewe, the other a ram. He embraced her, and hence goats and sheep were born. And thus he created everything that exists in pairs, down to the ants.
The Brahmanda Purana states that the Prajapati performs tapas to reproduce himself. He released the waters and entered them in the form of an egg that evolved into the cosmos. The Prajapati emerged from the golden egg, and created the earth, the middle regions and the sky. With further tapas, he created the devas. He also created the asuras, and the darkness came into the being

The reason that I said they do not because they do not address the origin problem in their doctrines. These religions do not teach creationism.
Christianity doesn't address the "origins problem" in its doctrines. The "origins problem" arises from conflicting Christian denominational doctrines. Many Christian denominations don't teach creationism that conflicts with evolution either.
 
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Errrrm, unfortunately there is.

Meet Harun Yahya, a Turkish Muslim who has dedicated his life to propogating US-style old earth creationism, along with a load of other rubbish, such as anti-semitism, holocaust denial, and fringe conspiracy theories. He also managed to get Dawkin's website banned in Turkey.

He's so bonkers that he's even adopted stuff from the Institute for Creation Research for Muslim apologetics. Somewhat amusingly it turns out, as the Koran's account of creation is more than a little different from the Genesis account.
True, I forgot about Harun Yaha. However, I don't really consider him to be in the same league as Answers in Genesis or the Institute for Creation Research. Those are massive organizations composed of hundreds of employees all dedicated to YECism and trying to get YEC "science" into public schools.
 
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In the western world, it is only christians who are fighting hard to remove science from classrooms because they see knowledge as a threat to their religious dogmas.

If there were only science in the classrooms, there wouldn't be much
of a problem.
 
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If there were only science in the classrooms, there wouldn't be much
of a problem.
There should only ever be science taught in a science class.

Creationism is a belief and has absolutely nothing backing it up other than the one book that was written in a time when people believed in magic, demons, dragons and Gods [much like the people in the bible belt in the US today].
 
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There should only ever be science taught in a science class.
I agree.
Creationism is a belief and has absolutely nothing backing it up...
I agree ... but not the kind of "nothing" you guys would understand.
... other than the one book that was written in a time when people believed in magic, demons, dragons and Gods ...
People still do.

And for the record, even when "magic" is corrected to "miracles" today, scientists still believe they were magic.

So let's not lay this at the feet of ignorant dark agers; scientists today make the same mistake.

Unbelief can keep even the most intelligent and well-informed in the dark.
[much like the people in the bible belt in the US today].
It won't be the Bible belt that the Antichrist is going to make his appearance though.

It will be from a confederation of European nations.
 
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There should only ever be science taught in a science class.

Creationism is a belief and has absolutely nothing backing it up other than the one book that was written in a time when people believed in magic, demons, dragons and Gods [much like the people in the bible belt in the US today].

Then naturalism, which is being taught in science class, and is a belief
has nothing to back it up either.

Naturalism is "the philosophical belief that everything arises from natural properties and causes, and supernatural or spiritual explanations are excluded or discounted."
 
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Then naturalism, which is being taught in science class, and is a belief
has nothing to back it up either.

Naturalism is "the philosophical belief that everything arises from natural properties and causes, and supernatural or spiritual explanations are excluded or discounted."

What you're talking about is philosophical naturalism. Science is wedded to methodological naturalism. There's a difference.

In contrast, assuming naturalism in working methods, without necessarily considering naturalism as an absolute truth with philosophical entailments, is called methodological naturalism.[5] The subject matter here is a philosophy of acquiring knowledge.
 
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What you're talking about is philosophical naturalism. Science is wedded to methodological naturalism. There's a difference.

In contrast, assuming naturalism in working methods, without necessarily considering naturalism as an absolute truth with philosophical entailments, is called methodological naturalism.[5] The subject matter here is a philosophy of acquiring knowledge.
I contend the Antichrist will embrace Scientism.
 
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No problem.

Islam:
"We created man from sounding clay, from mud molded into shape" (al-Hijr 26).


Thanks. These are no more then what I have discovered.

All the creationism content in Islam is included in a few verses of the Bible. The Bible describes much much more creationism than Islam. There is not much about creationism on Islam to attach.

Hindu:
Rigveda HYMN XC. Puruṣa.
1. A THOUSAND heads hath Puruṣa, a thousand eyes, a thousand feet.
On every side pervading earth he fills a space ten fingers wide.


Very disappointing. Hinduism does not talk about creation at all, but talk all about evolution in its origin issues.

Genesis 1 is the focus of many atheistic attack (in the name of science). There is no such content in any other religions. If you attack Islam on human creation, they will have nothing else to say, but to avoid the issue. So the attack ceased.

Christianity has a perfect theory about creation. And it is, indeed, a pullet-proof theory. That is why it attracted so many attacks and is still standing strong.
 
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Very disappointing. Hinduism does not talk about creation at all, but talk all about evolution in its origin issues.

Genesis 1 is the focus of many atheistic attack (in the name of science). There is no such content in any other religions. If you attack Islam on human creation, they will have nothing else to say, but to avoid the issue. So the attack ceased.

Christianity has a perfect theory about creation. And it is, indeed, a pullet-proof theory. That is why it attracted so many attacks and is still standing strong.

Psychologists would have a field day with this level of self-deception and delusions of grandeur.
 
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Tell me this, people that believe in evolution, if you disagree with creationists so much, why is Christianity the only religion thats hated? and why do people only Use Jesus's name as a swear word and no one else's name? why do people hate christianity so much but not muslims? or paganism, I know why, because Satan is trying to get you to hate christianity and to turn to evolution, if it wasn't true then other religions would be attacked and mocked just as much as christianity, but every athiest I see only mocks and hates Christianity and the Bible, and just ignore the rest, does that not mean all of you know there is truth in the Bible? so you are trying to get us Christians to disprove evolution for you?
So you basicly are always asking US to disprove it for you, while you ignore every other religion, as I said before sense you do this YOU know there is truth in the Bible, and that it is the WORD OF GOD, but you want evolution disproved, even though you know its false already.


Alot of you will disagree with what I just wrote, but every athiest/evolutionist I've seen shows that they do believe in the word of God/The Bible, if you didn't you would just ignore it, and you would also attack other religions other then Christianity.

Christians are a nice bunch. [full stop]. Would these cowards who attack Christianity dare attack anything other than Christianity? They would get themselves into big trouble. They attack Christians because they know Christians will not hit them back. Cheers and cream puffs, happy thanksgiving. Gooble gooble yummy yummy be happy don't worry
 
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All the creationism content in Islam is included in a few verses of the Bible. The Bible describes much much more creationism than Islam. There is not much about creationism on Islam to attach.

There is not much about creationism in Christianity. All of it was borrowed from the Torah (which Islam also reveres).


Christianity has a perfect theory about creation. And it is, indeed, a pullet-proof theory. That is why it attracted so many attacks and is still standing strong.

You misspelled "discarded by experts".
 
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There is not much about creationism in Christianity. All of it was borrowed from the Torah (which Islam also reveres).

You misspelled "discarded by experts".

Torah is part of Christianity. What says in Torah is enhanced in NT.

You too missed something: "discarded by atheistic experts". They discarded it because they can not win the debate by science only.

Dare to go for an example? You name one (with adequate explanation, if biological) and I will beat you on that one. If I could not, I will apologize.
 
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Torah is part of Christianity. What says in Torah is enhanced in NT.

Torah is part of Islam. What says in Torah is enhanced in Koran.

You too missed something: "discarded by atheistic experts".

No, that's wrong. Science is not the same as atheism. There are many religious scientists. The naive 6 day creation of Genesis is discarded by astronomers, geologists, physicists, biologists, regardless of their religious adherence.

Dare to go for an example? You name one (with adequate explanation, if biological) and I will beat you on that one. If I could not, I will apologize.

An example of what?

I said that the Genesis account has been discarded by experts.

Here is an example of a biological expert discarding Genesis. Francis Collins is the director of the NIH, former head of the Human Genome Project, and an evangelical Christian. Collins "dismisses Genesis as history".
 
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Christians are a nice bunch. [full stop]. Would these cowards who attack Christianity dare attack anything other than Christianity?

Yes.

They would get themselves into big trouble.

That depends.

They attack Christians because they know Christians will not hit them back.

Outing yourself as an atheist in large parts of the US is akin to social suicide.


Also: the west is predominantly christians. What you personally believe is not of my concern as long as it doesn't affect me one way or the other. But when faith-based beliefs are being used to try and implement certain laws and impose stuff upon society in any way, then it is ever patriot's responsability to jump on it and make it stop asap.

We live in a secular democracy and that's a good thing. For me AND for you.
It keeps (or at least: it should and it isn't really, which is a problem) you from imposing your faith-based religious ideas on me and it keeps me from for example outlawing your religion or whatever.

The reason why christians are the biggest target in the west, is because it's christians who are trying to impose their religion on legislation and public life.

If the people trying to do that were the pink unicorn cult, then you'ld see the exact same directed at them. And most likely, you'ld join the fight against them.
 
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