Religions

[True Scotsman]

I don't know how many times I've talked to someone who had questions and was told, in so many words, to "get lost" [no pun intended]; or had questions his pastor/priest couldn't answer.

(Right, Rocky? )

The problem he faced was that "you just have to have faith" was the only answer he or any person could give because there wasn't a rational answer to the questions.

 

[AV1611VET]

Nebuchednezzar's dream. You think the feet of clay is the EU?
First, show me what this has to do with the antichrist.
Then, show me how it is the EU.

Why don't you just Google it?

 

[AV1611VET]

The problem he faced was that "you just have to have faith" was the only answer he or any person could give because there wasn't a rational answer to the questions.

What's wrong with that?

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

The problem he faced was that "you just have to have faith" was the only answer he or any person could give because there wasn't a rational answer to the questions.

What were the questions?

 

[AV1611VET]

What were the questions?

If they are questions like I get, at some point you have to put a stop to the charade.

Every answer generates two or three more questions, and it just goes on and on.

I've halted a few conversations by saying I'm not going to subject myself to a John 9 inquiry, or a scientific inquisition.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

Yes, you did.
You interpreted certain verses taken out of context and came to a conclusion that is not supported by other verses that you leave out.
Same with your antichrist. Do a Bible search on the term antichrist...you might be surprised.
I don't know how you got the EU...folks around my neck of the woods think it might be Obama...although if it is, he needs to get to it. He's sorta running out of time...

TheBarrd,
I think you'll find that AV is still a Premillenialist ??? As you know there are other views, as there are other views about most things - esp. when it come to Evolution and Creation -- give it a break.

 

[TheBarrd]

TheBarrd,
I think you'll find that AV is still a Premillenialist ??? As you know there are other views, as there are other views about most things - esp. when it come to Evolution and Creation -- give it a break.

Eh, he's pretty harmless, I guess. As you say...

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

Eh, he's pretty harmless, I guess. As you say...

Yes. I worked with 9 or so brothers and sisters in a band, and we were all from different denominations. There were some subjects that were just not that important to get stuck on, we just focused on the things that were important and got on with the work.

 

[TheBarrd]

After having read this entire thread, I'd like to put in my widow's mites...that is, my two cents.

I think that all of this controversy between science and Christianity is more than a little ridiculous. It is being caused by a few egotistical Christians(?) who think that they have all the answers, and a few equally pig headed science geeks with the same delusions of grandeur.
The truth is that God and science get along just fine.
The Bible is not a science book, and was never intended to be one. It's purpose is to point people to Christ.
Do fundies really think that God would hand them a technical manual on how to create your own universe in just six days? No such luck, kids!!
On the other hand, science is a fine tool, but that is all that it is. It completely overlooks whatever it cannot measure. Thus it must completely ignore man's spiritual nature.
There is a lot that science has learned, to be sure...but oh, so much more that it has not. And...who knows when new data may turn up that will turn current theories on their heads? The universe...did it begin with a "Big Bang"? Or is the Brane theory correct? Uh...what about the string theory? A layman like myself, whose science education was limited to the tenth grade...and this was before any mention of God was banned from the classroom...has little hope of sorting it all out.

The bottom line is this. Science will never, ever discover anything that God did not put there in the first place. Seems we haven't learned a dang thing since the days of Galileo...kids, there is little point in fighting science. Either we will discover, to our shame, that science was right all along...or, new data will come along sooner or later, and science will have to blush, shuffle their feet a bit, and admit that they made a mistake. At the end of the day, it won't matter anyway. God wins. Christians, read your Book...the end of the story has already been decided in God's favor.

 

[TheBarrd]

Yes. I worked with 9 or so brothers and sisters in a band, and we were all from different denominations. There were some subjects that were just not that important to get stuck on, we just focused on the things that were important and got on with the work.

Sounds like fun! And I think I'm a tad jealous.

 

[florida2]

A bus stops and picks up 66 people.

As it's starting its journey, 14 people come running up and jump on.

In the course of the journey, it's clear that those 14 don't belong on the bus.

The bus stops and the 14 are kicked off.

Later, some people claim the 14 belonged on the bus in the first place.

They didn't.

One group claims God says certain books should be in the Bible, another group claims God says certain books shouldn't be in the Bible.

How do you determine which to believe?

 

[AV1611VET]

One group claims God says certain books should be in the Bible, another group claims God says certain books shouldn't be in the Bible.

How do you determine which to believe?

You're asking a KJVO this?

 

[TheBarrd]

I think all Christians should read, if they can, all available scripture, if only to educate themselves as to what else might have been around in ancient times.
Being a Christian should not preclude having a healthy curiosity...

 

[AV1611VET]

I think all Christians should read, if they can, all available scripture, if only to educate themselves as to what else might have been around in ancient times.
Being a Christian should not preclude having a healthy curiosity...

The Apocrypha can take a hike.

I don't need to read stuff like:

• The command to use magic (Tobit 6:5-7).
• Forgiveness of sins by almsgiving (Tobit 4:11; 12:9).
• Offering of money for the sins of the dead (2 Maccabees 12:43-45

 

[TheBarrd]

The Apocrypha can take a hike.

I don't need to read stuff like:

• The command to use magic (Tobit 6:5-7).
• Forgiveness of sins by almsgiving (Tobit 4:11; 12:9).
• Offering of money for the sins of the dead (2 Maccabees 12:43-45

I didn't say that you had to accept as doctrine everything you read...only that you should educate yourself as to what the ancients thought and believed.

It's about ideas...it's about keeping an open mind, O Horatio...

 

[AV1611VET]

I didn't say that you had to accept as doctrine everything you read...only that you should educate yourself as to what the ancients thought and believed.

It's about ideas...it's about keeping an open mind, O Horatio...

If I'm going to educate myself, it certainly isn't going to be with the Apocrypha.

 

[TheBarrd]

But it seems that you already have read parts of it, as you posted verses.

But you have misunderstood me. There are still other scriptures out there that were widely read in ancient times that we know little or nothing about.

But then, I am a voracious reader...as well as an author in my own right. So maybe I see things a tad differently...

 

[AV1611VET]

But you have misunderstood me. There are still other scriptures out there that were widely read in ancient times that we know little or nothing about.

Good.

If God wanted us to know it, He would have preserved it.

And for the record, I've seen what adhering to other "scriptures" has done to those who think scientifically here.

I don't know how many times I've argued Noah's account of the Flood vis-à-vis the Epic of Gilgamesh.

Galatians 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

Note also:

Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Galatians 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

 

[TheBarrd]

Good.

If God wanted us to know it, He would have preserved it.

Perhaps that is why they are still around?

And for the record, I've seen what adhering to other "scriptures" has done to those who think scientifically here.

I think that certain Christians...and I don't necessarily mean you, so don't take offense...have done more to harm their relationship with God than any scriptures they might have read.
It is past time for the church to get it through her head...we can't force our faith on anyone. Trying to do so will only push them further away.
The time of the Inquisitions is, thank God, long over with.
Again, you'd think we'd learn from our past...or God help us, we may be doomed to repeat it...

I don't know how many times I've argued Noah's account of the Flood vis-à-vis the Epic of Gilgamesh.

There are so many flood stories it is nearly impossible not to conclude that...hey, there must have been a flood!

Galatians 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

Yes, the Scribes and Pharisees were also hard headed.
As was most of the Sanhedrin.

Note also:

Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Galatians 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

I'm hardly talking about adhering to another gospel. Where would you get such a notion?

 

[Queller]

Via, please save the lenghty verbose replies for someone else.

I'm not interested in ten paragraphs of rebuttal.

Yes, God forbid you actually read and learn something.