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Via, please save the lenghty verbose replies for someone else.There was no "Bible" in the 1st century.
Now you know why I'm a KJVO, don't you?As I said in the post to which you are responding, there was no council that created the Canon. That never happened.
The closest are several local councils such as those held in Carthage and Laodicea; but these councils only dealt with what should be read in the churches of these dioceses and played only an incidental role in the overarching story of the Canon.
-CryptoLutheran
Just wondering what you think the word authorised means.Wow -- that explains a lot.
And so your word choice for creatio ex nihilo & creatio ex materia is "poof"?
Is that what you got from these discussions?
Do you [flippantly] refer to miracles as "magic" as well?
If so, I submit you have created a mental barrier that you can't penetrate.
All I asked about was verbal plenary inspiration, because somewhere along the line, you picked up this verbage:
If you got that from discussing the Bible with other Christians, I'd stay out of that alley, if I were you.
I don't know who told you that, or where you got it, but I don't care either.
The fact that you talk like that turns me off.
The books of the Bible were already authorized by the first century.
Any council held to create a cannon was (or should have been) to simply weed out the unauthorized from the authorized.
Sift the wheat from the tares, so to speak.
I like to use this example:
Suppose you were put in a room, stacked full of money, and told to separate the legal tender from the counterfeit.
Could you do it?
It would be simple:
One dollar bill goes here.
Two dollar bill goes here.
Three dollar bill goes there.
Four dollar bill goes there.
Five dollar bill goes here.
Six dollar bill goes there.
etc.
No one is going to walk into a store and try to buy something with an eight dollar bill.
Put simply:
The council wasn't held to create an authorized cannon of books; the council was held to create a cannon of the authorized books.
As I said in the post to which you are responding, there was no council that created the Canon. That never happened.
The closest are several local councils such as those held in Carthage and Laodicea; but these councils only dealt with what should be read in the churches of these dioceses and played only an incidental role in the overarching story of the Canon.
-CryptoLutheran
I said the "books of the Bible".
That means that the 66 books that make up our AV1611 Bible were all authorized in the first century.
So can the original KJV--the 1611--take a hike or not? Or will this result in an endless looping paradox for you?All others can take a hike.
I remember in Sunday school when I was about 10, my little mind was starting to make connections of logic and identifying contradictions and I asked a lot of uncomfortable questions. I was told to just have faith and stop asking so many questions. Maybe the preacher had a talk with my parents and that's why we stopped going to church. I don't know, they never told me why.
How do you come to this conclusion?? Also can we see some references for this? Because I can tell you haven't done your research
The KJVO movement was started to combat the rise of "better translations."No one knows why anyone is a KJVO.
A bus stops and picks up 66 people.The AV1611, not counting Greek Esther, and Greek Daniel including chapters 13 and 14, actually has 75 books: 1 Esdras, 2 Esdras, Tobit, Judith, Wisdom, Sirach (called Ecclesiasticus), Baruch (including the Epistle of Jeremiah), 1 Maccabees, and 2 Maccabees.
So can the original KJV--the 1611--take a hike or not? Or will this result in an endless looping paradox for you?
-CryptoLutheran
You should have -- if you were disrupting the class.
The Bible is not a science book and doesn't need to be taught in science class.
In any respect, not just with respect to the Bible, science is myopic.
Correct.
And vice versa.
Children need to be able to do that. It's natural, formative and healthy for a young mind to question, challenge and establish what is false and what is true. If the Sixties taught us anything, with it's score of musical anthems : Little Boxes, What Did You Learn In School Today etc. -- it's that the system is rotten to the core!
It most certainly can be.Asking valid questions with an honest desire for answers is disruptive?
It most certainly can be.
There's a place and a time for that.
Well it has gotten much worse than when I was in school in the 70's and 80's. We are lucky to live in a pretty conservative, rural area. But I still find their programs to be concrete bound and anti conceptual in nature. It's all about the group think.
I don't know how many times I've talked to someone who had questions and was told, in so many words, to "get lost" [no pun intended]; or had questions his pastor/priest couldn't answer.Well my questions were mostly one on one with the minister so I don't see how that is disruptive.
You're right. There is a time and a place for rational questions and it isn't in a class on indoctrination into a religion based on faith.
Too bad he won't answer me; but that's typical.
It's much easier to accuse someone of adding to the Bible, than it is to QED, isn't it?
For the record, I'll throw it out to the general audience here.
Q: The Bible says we are going to be raptured. Did I just add to the Bible?
Daniel 2.
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