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Religion cannot work with science.
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All true science leads to truth. All false "science" rejects the truth.
It wasnt ever complicated.
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I see no actual conflict between Christ's words and (red letter) teachings as recorded in the Bible and modern science. On the other hand I do see quite a serious conflict between empirical physics and some 'scientific theories' at times, as well as some religious beliefs. In case of conflict, I personally tend to prefer empirical physics. Other people have different criteria for resolving such conflict.
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All that accept truth(God), have already come to the conclusion that truth is good. True science isnt about doubt, true science is about the truth.
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I'd argue that my computer and cellphone are tangible examples of "true science", whereas Ptolemaic beliefs of the past are "false science". Antibiotics are examples of 'true science', whereas "leach therapy", well, not so much.
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The truth is, all have been given a chance from birth to believe in the truth that already is.
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You're essentially talking about "science" as God perceives it and uses it, which is *way* beyond our mere human concept of 'science'.
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I'd argue that my computer and cellphone are tangible examples of "true science", whereas Ptolemaic beliefs of the past are "false science". Antibiotics are examples of 'true science', whereas "leach therapy", well, not so much.
The question wasnt directed to you michael az i am very familiar with your opinions.
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You're essentially talking about "science" as God perceives it and uses it, which is *way* beyond our mere human concept of 'science'.
Any truth you hear dear brother is from God alone.
The truth will forever remain the truth.
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If there was evidence of things happening the way described in the Bible and physical laws and properties couldn't explain it over time, one would have to admit a miracle.
If there was evidence of a flood, and we found insufficient water to do so on the Earth, that would be an indication of a miracle. Or at least a divine force that flooded the planet.
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What it comes down to is "Do you if what you believe is true?". If so then empirical evidence and logic is the best way to discern the truth. Just because a holy book says something does not make it so.
We know that the Earth is billions of years old as reliably as we know that it is round. We know that evolution is the process through which biodiversity developed as well as we know that microscopic organisms cause disease. We are beginning to understand the origin of life through abiogenesis as all of life's components can be formed without life replicating it and we are learning that there is good reason to believe that there is other life in the universe based on amino acid bases found in asteroids.
These do not disprove the existence of a deity, but they do point out that the Old and New Testaments are scientifically inaccurate. To argue that evidence means nothing against scripture is academically dishonest.
Almost everything in modern biology rests on the pillar of the Theory of Evolution, literally there is no debate there. I would know. There is no debate in the scientific community about a young earth either, it is viewed as ridiculous and a waste of time by every geologist I have ever encountered.
Anyone who tells you that science supports scripture is either misinformed or is deceiving you. Look at the few scientists who try to promote these ideas and look how often they are cited by other scientists of their field.
By the way, there is no evidence of any miracles ever occurring. Every major religion claims miracles and none of them have any more proof than the others. Every religion has prophecies that have been actualized and none of it means a thing.
It is important though to remember that science doesn't actually touch God. Modern interpretations of deities tend to be unfalsifiable hypotheses, meaning that they cannot be tested. Because there is no empirical way to test it, we have no rulings on it whatsoever. It is also important to remember that the lack of a negative does NOT indicate a positive. Science is completely secular and I am proud to be a part of the community that transcends race, politics, religion, and nationality in the pursuit of knowledge and more often than not, the betterment of all mankind.
If you want to shoehorn a deity into what we can never test, then go for it and it will never be challenged by science. I implore all who read this however to actually do the research. Read secular textbooks about science, cross reference them with scripture if you must, but do not throw out what is real and observable for something that clearly isn't.
If the Bible told you that water boiled at 150 degrees Celsius at sea level, but you saw it happen at 100 degrees Celsius at sea level, what would you conclude. In science we have encountered equivalents and come to the conclusion that evidence is more trustworthy than testimony.
We know that the Earth is billions of years old as reliably as we know that it is round. We know that evolution is the process through which biodiversity developed as well as we know that microscopic organisms cause disease. We are beginning to understand the origin of life through abiogenesis as all of life's components can be formed without life replicating it and we are learning that there is good reason to believe that there is other life in the universe based on amino acid bases found in asteroids.
These do not disprove the existence of a deity, but they do point out that the Old and New Testaments are scientifically inaccurate. To argue that evidence means nothing against scripture is academically dishonest.
Almost everything in modern biology rests on the pillar of the Theory of Evolution, literally there is no debate there. I would know. There is no debate in the scientific community about a young earth either, it is viewed as ridiculous and a waste of time by every geologist I have ever encountered.
Anyone who tells you that science supports scripture is either misinformed or is deceiving you. Look at the few scientists who try to promote these ideas and look how often they are cited by other scientists of their field.
By the way, there is no evidence of any miracles ever occurring. Every major religion claims miracles and none of them have any more proof than the others. Every religion has prophecies that have been actualized and none of it means a thing.
It is important though to remember that science doesn't actually touch God. Modern interpretations of deities tend to be unfalsifiable hypotheses, meaning that they cannot be tested. Because there is no empirical way to test it, we have no rulings on it whatsoever. It is also important to remember that the lack of a negative does NOT indicate a positive. Science is completely secular and I am proud to be a part of the community that transcends race, politics, religion, and nationality in the pursuit of knowledge and more often than not, the betterment of all mankind.
If you want to shoehorn a deity into what we can never test, then go for it and it will never be challenged by science. I implore all who read this however to actually do the research. Read secular textbooks about science, cross reference them with scripture if you must, but do not throw out what is real and observable for something that clearly isn't.
If the Bible told you that water boiled at 150 degrees Celsius at sea level, but you saw it happen at 100 degrees Celsius at sea level, what would you conclude. In science we have encountered equivalents and come to the conclusion that evidence is more trustworthy than testimony.
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Yes. I believe however that we as humans aren't always all that great at detecting "truth".
Should I laugh or cry? Muslims say the truth is Allah, Christians God (Trinity if the person isn't unitarian), Jews Yahweh, Hindus their 300 million gods. So what you said isn't anything new.
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Please accept the flying spaghetti monster before it's too late, you will be forever raped because you didn't. If you ask me to prove why FSM is real, I will just tell you "Faith".Oh and here's a prophecy: Russia and USA will fight. So the future generations will have some evidence.
And by the way, you're not allowed to ask any questions because it is from the evil one.
And by the way, you're not allowed to ask any questions because it is from the evil one.
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Having fun here?Please accept the flying spaghetti monster before it's too late, you will be forever raped because you didn't. If you ask me to prove why FSM is real, I will just tell you "Faith".Oh and here's a prophecy: Russia and USA will fight. So the future generations will have some evidence.
And by the way, you're not allowed to ask any questions because it is from the evil one.
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Please accept the flying spaghetti monster before it's too late, you will be forever raped because you didn't. If you ask me to prove why FSM is real, I will just tell you "Faith".Oh and here's a prophecy: Russia and USA will fight. So the future generations will have some evidence.
And by the way, you're not allowed to ask any questions because it is from the evil one.
I understand the point you are making, but you are also making us look bad.
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