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As I already said, being fully man and God in the flesh is a massive advantage. (This hasn't been addressed) Forget that Jesus felt or thought, or rather had external feelings or thoughts trying to persuade him.

We are held accountable by our internal feelings and thoughts, and he experienced none of it? I think people have become too uncomfortable with people who may be tempted to feel or think a certain way, and treat the persons temptation as a real physical threat.

It's ridiculous to think that the feeling and thought police exist, but they really do. There's a great demand today to think positive and to be good, but if there is only good and evil to choose out of this whole universe then it's my choice (Anyones choice)

Notwithstanding, this is the dilemma. You're forced to choose good if you believe you will be punished for being evil. It's not a choice, it's a gun to your head pushing you to be more and more positive more good for his sake.

Now don't say that's not the equation, I have read countless testimonies and threads where Christian's are obsessed with God's goodness and trying to emulate that positive.

It's heart breaking, truly heart breaking.
Most people misunderstand God's "goodness" very much, which is why most fail...

God's goodness is based on Holiness (another misunderstood term by many) His Righteousness (Yes, that's another one) and Justice (All three of these are usually greatly misunderstood by us)... God'd "goodness" is based on being, doing, and becoming what is "best" for everyone... Best for God, best for other people, and best for themselves... God's goodness is based on doing what is "best" that is, the best and highest and greatest thing we can be, and "do" and perform and "be", out of that... It's not about being everyone's walking carpet, or letting everyone use or abuse or step on you or seriously take advantage of you, but it's about making and taking a stand for "what's right" and also, a stand against "what's wrong" also... It's not weakness, but about strength...

Our culture has seriously perverted the meaning of "goodness" and especially "God's goodness"...

If we could see it the right way, those actually doing it and doing it right, if they are truly "God's", they would not find it very difficult at all, at least, not compared to the world's perversion of it, that is...

God Bless!
 
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Most people misunderstand God's "goodness" very much, which is why most fail...

God's goodness is based on Holiness (another misunderstood term by many) His Righteousness (Yes, that's another one) and Justice (All three of these are usually greatly misunderstood by us)... God'd "goodness" is based on being, doing, and becoming what is "best" for everyone... Best for God, best for other people, and best for themselves... God's goodness is based on doing what is "best" that is, the best and highest and greatest thing we can be, and "do" and perform and "be", out of that... It's not about being everyone's walking carpet, or letting everyone use or abuse or step on you or seriously take advantage of you, but it's about making and taking a stand for "what's right" and also, a stand against "what's wrong" also... It's not weakness, but about strength...

Our culture has seriously perverted the meaning of "goodness" and especially "God's goodness"...

If we could see it the right way, those actually doing it and doing it right, if they are truly "God's", they would not find it very difficult at all, at least, not compared to the world's perversion of it, that is...

God Bless!
There are some " good" things done in the bible by Gods people, that by our standers today is seen as evil.

It seems to me that society is stuck in a cycle where good changes evil and evil changes good, but nothing actually changes because they are two parts of the whole fruit of death.
 
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There are some " good" things done in the bible by Gods people, that by our standers today is seen as evil.

It seems to me that society is stuck in a cycle where good changes evil and evil changes good, but nothing actually changes because they are two parts of the whole fruit of death.
When your good, like God is good, many people are bound to "hate" you... This is a day and age where they call evil, good, and good, evil... The last days...

God Bless!
 
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How can Jesus relate to us poor sinners if he never sinned. He was only tempted at every point (Even tempted to Rape? Murder? Steal? Lie? What about Molesting children? Was he tempted into that, what about eating Human flesh? That's another sin he would have to be tempted in)

But temptation is not the same as sinning itself, so how does Jesus know how to save someone from sin if he never sinned. One could argue "That he can know because he didn't sin, when he was tempted."


Jesus can relate to all sin, even sin that wasn't invented yet in His time. All sin, no matter what you
can think of, is a violation of one of the 10 commandments. You are either sinning against God when you violate 1 thru 4, or you are sinning against your neighbor when you violate one of 6 thru 10. Jesus is very well acquainted with those 10 Laws that were etched with God's finger, and He calls it as He sees it, a violation of any one is a sin.

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As I already said, being fully man and God in the flesh is a massive advantage. (This hasn't been addressed) Forget that Jesus felt or thought, or rather had external feelings or thoughts trying to persuade him.
The whole endeavour (the Way of Agape, Christianity) is supposed to be undertaken from the Spirit of Christ, not in our own strength. In this respect we have the same advantage available as Him and another advantage that He did not have, that is the forgiveness and grace that He gained for us so that when we fail to follow, miss the mark there is always a way back.
We are held accountable by our internal feelings and thoughts, and he experienced none of it? I think people have become too uncomfortable with people who may be tempted to feel or think a certain way, and treat the persons temptation as a real physical threat.
Correction: It is Christ Jesus, it is He, that is held accountable for our feelings and thoughts, if we are in Him.

It's ridiculous to think that the feeling and thought police exist, but they really do. There's a great demand today to think positive and to be good, but if there is only good and evil to choose out of this whole universe then it's my choice (Anyones choice)
Yeah there's truth in this, it is part of the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, it is the foundation of Godless moralising controlling religion and it does not come from Him.

If we live in Him none of this is an issue. The whole point becomes one of trusting, graceful, Agape relationship with Him and through Him to others.

Notwithstanding, this is the dilemma. You're forced to choose good if you believe you will be punished for being evil. It's not a choice, it's a gun to your head pushing you to be more and more positive more good for his sake.

Now don't say that's not the equation, I have read countless testimonies and threads where Christian's are obsessed with God's goodness and trying to emulate that positive.

It's heart breaking, truly heart breaking.
It is heart breaking, you are right. Heartbreaking because it is not the equation. Heartbreaking because like some in the Galatian church these foolish people have forsaken the grace that they have been given for a law of sin and death:

You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? Have you experienced so much in vain—if it really was in vain? So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”

Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.” The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.” He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery...You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace....That kind of persuasion does not come from the one who calls you. (Galatians 3 & 5)
 
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Well if you're a believer in Christ, when you let him into your heart that's when hr can intervene and help you with your daily life...many people here have amazing testimonies about God helping them through some kind of situation.
Really, tell me some plz.
 
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Ah, I'm an artist... When its late ..i have to tell myself to get sleep..bc my art will always be there...plus I've done the staying up thing and its no fun. Much rather have a healthy mind and body so the creativity can flow through me more effectively.

But one thing about me is that I've never not eaten lol, I will never skimp on that lol
The basic test doctors use for detecting if you're psychotic is asking you

"Have you been eating?"

"Have you been sleeping?"

Say no and your got a foot in the hospital.

Personally I eat and sleep in chronic psychosis and can remain undetected for months.
 
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How can Jesus relate to us poor sinners if he never sinned. He was only tempted at every point (Even tempted to Rape? Murder? Steal? Lie? What about Molesting children? Was he tempted into that, what about eating Human flesh? That's another sin he would have to be tempted in)

But temptation is not the same as sinning itself, so how does Jesus know how to save someone from sin if he never sinned. One could argue "That he can know because he didn't sin, when he was tempted."

Jesus can relate to all sin, even sin that wasn't invented yet in His time. All sin, no matter what you
can think of, is a violation of one of the 10 commandments. You are either sinning against God when you violate 1 thru 4, or you are sinning against your neighbor when you violate one of 6 thru 10. Jesus is very well acquainted with those 10 Laws that were etched with God's finger, and He calls it as He sees it, a violation of any one is a sin.

ronandcarol
Keeping the Sabbath is in the 10 commandments, right?

Who follows that in this day and age.
 
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The whole endeavour (the Way of Agape, Christianity) is supposed to be undertaken from the Spirit of Christ, not in our own strength. In this respect we have the same advantage available as Him and another advantage that He did not have, that is the forgiveness and grace that He gained for us so that when we fail to follow, miss the mark there is always a way back.

Correction: It is Christ Jesus, it is He, that is held accountable for our feelings and thoughts, if we are in Him.


Yeah there's truth in this, it is part of the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, it is the foundation of Godless moralising controlling religion and it does not come from Him.

If we live in Him none of this is an issue. The whole point becomes one of trusting, graceful, Agape relationship with Him and through Him to others.


It is heart breaking, you are right. Heartbreaking because it is not the equation. Heartbreaking because like some in the Galatian church these foolish people have forsaken the grace that they have been given for a law of sin and death:

You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? Have you experienced so much in vain—if it really was in vain? So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”

Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.” The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.” He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery...You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace....That kind of persuasion does not come from the one who calls you. (Galatians 3 & 5)
Just so you know for future reference, I do in fact read the bible. At my own pace and leisure, applying it's principle's where I feel I lack.

That been said I also do the same with the principle's of star trek, and I say thats where so many Christian's lack.
 
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Just so you know for future reference, I do in fact read the bible. At my own pace and leisure, applying it's principle's where I feel I lack.

That been said I also do the same with the principle's of star trek, and I say thats where so many Christian's lack.
Then you are your own lord and savior?
 
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I would say, no. But Satan could bring ideas and attack with feelings, but Jesus did not give in to them.
You get a sky full of stars

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The basic test doctors use for detecting if you're psychotic is asking you

"Have you been eating?"

"Have you been sleeping?"

Say no and your got a foot in the hospital.

Personally I eat and sleep in chronic psychosis and can remain undetected for months.

Oh wow :( hmm ...that really bites hard. I hate mental illness exists..with so much that goes on in this world..mental ills only add to the chaos..

I hope ur doing better
 
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Mmmk.

No, they are a side effect to the chaos.
I agree with on your last post, mental ills are a side effect... I feel myself slipping a bit more each day..but I'm not trying to hijack the thread so ill leave it at that.
 
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He was only tempted at every point (Even tempted to Rape? Murder? Steal? Lie? What about Molesting children?
You are referring to Hebrews 4:15. I think this means He went through things we go through, so now He can feel for us.
 
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