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Can the word lie as to Mary's role, and is her role as eternal as the WORD?

  • Of course not, Mary's role is limited to time.

  • Of course Mary's role is as eternal as the Word because it is by the Word she is who she is.


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This apparition predates the establishment of Christianity as Rome's official religion, any denomination called Orthodoxy , and most certainly before any Protestant beliefs. She stands true as a visitor of souls since the inception of the faith and the first visitation. And this all while she was still alive on earth and certainly will stand true for all the faithful always. Her role is no surprise to all those who love her , for it is through her whom, the generations of Abraham are numbered amongst the stars. Scripture is TRUTH!
The First Marian Apparition in Church History: Our Lady of the Pillar

October 12, 2016 By Gretchen Filz 15 Comments

October 12th, in addition to being Columbus Day, is also the feast day of Our Lady of the Pillar, patroness of all Hispanic peoples. While not one of the most widely known titles of Our Lady, it is the oldest, and has a most fascinating story that you will be delighted to read.

Tradition has it that the Blessed Virgin Mary, sometime before her bodily Assumption into heaven, appeared to the Apostle St. James the Elder while he was living and preaching in Spain.

The Story of Our Lady of the Pillar
After Pentecost, the 12 Apostles dispersed to preach the Gospel all over the world. St. James the Greater, on one of his apostolic journeys, preached in the Iberian Peninsula in modern-day Spain.

St. James was discouraged that the pagans of that land were not responding to the Gospel and converting to Christianity. He had only a handful of converts to show for his labors. In the face of what he thought was failure in his mission, he prayed with his disciples by the Ebro river in modern day Zaragoza.

To bring him consolation, while she was still alive and living in Jerusalem, Our Lady appeared to him and his disciples atop a pillar of jasper stone carried by angels, while holding a smaller wooden statue of herself holding the Christ Child. The date was October 12 in the year 40 AD.
According to one account, Our Lady had previously promised St. James that she would come to his aid when he needed it the most. In fact, it was she who sent James into that region of the Roman Empire to tell the people of Hispania about her Son, Jesus. And then, in his most desolate hour, when he was considering leaving his mission field, she comes to his rescue.



The Mother of God told St. James not to worry, that the people to whom he preached would not only be converted, but they would one day have faith as strong as the pillar on which she stood.

She gave the pillar and the statue to St. James and asked that a church be built on the spot in her honor, using the two items for the altar.

“This place is to be my house, and this image and column shall be the title and altar of the temple that you shall build… and the people of this land will honor greatly my Son Jesus.”

After asking for her church to be built, she gave another promise that,

“It will stand from that moment until the end of time in order that God may work miracles and wonders through my intercession for all those who place themselves under my patronage.”

St. James built a small chapel as Our Lady requested, by the Ebro river in Zaragoza, Spain, the first known Marian shrine in history. It became known as Our Lady of the Pillar, or Nuestra Senora del Pilar. The chapel was replaced by larger churches over the centuries, the present stunning basilica being erected in the 17th century.


Basilica of Our Lady of the Pillar in Zaragoza, Spain

The statue and pillar have been preserved in the basilica just as they were given to St. James almost 2000 years ago (see below photo). Amazing! The pillar is now covered in an embossed metal covering, but behind the altar a portion of the pillar is exposed for veneration. Click the image below to view a pilgrim’s visit to this Marian shrine.


The original pillar and statue miraculously given by the Virgin Mary to St. James for the first shrine built in her honor.

In the same vision Our Lady also recalled St. James to Jerusalem, where he met his martyrdom in 44 AD. His remains were taken by his followers back to Compostela, Spain, where a chapel was built in his honor. The chapel was later replaced by the famous Santiago de Compostela Cathedral, the most visited Catholic pilgrimage destination outside of Rome and the Holy Land.
 
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What is the historical document which establishes this as history?

There is very little about James and Mary in the Acts of the Apostles.

But there is much known about the apostles in the various countries they visited . So, let me
guess you know nothing of their travels and historical documentation of them spreading the gospel outside of what you are aware of? It is a commonly known fact that the apostles did much travel and converted many pagans to Christianity. Any student of Christian history knows this. I am not speaking off the cuff or whispering imaginings of personal fantasies. If you choose to swim in the shallow waters of limited knowledge, (not speaking of scripture), but your lack of seeking out the history of the faith.Then perhaps you should not venture to comment on deeper waters. This statement of yours shows you do not know the history of Christianity as all followers should. These are the days in which knowledge will increase. And those things which are hidden, revealed.
John21:24-25
Jesus and the Beloved Apostle
…24This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who has written them down. And we know that his testimony is true. 25There are many more things that Jesus did. If all of them were written down, I suppose not even the world itself would have space for the books that would be written.

I hope your not one of those who thinks the gospel is a wrap. It is Eternal! All of what Christ has done by His own hand and through His Apostles and Mary is in historical records in various countries. History is God's story and man's, before God. Do you know where St. Thomas was martyred?
 
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But there is much known about the apostles in the various countries they visited . So, let me
guess you know nothing of their travels and historical documentation of them spreading the gospel outside of what you are aware of? It is a commonly known fact that the apostles did much travel and converted many pagans to Christianity. Any student of Christian history knows this. I am not speaking off the cuff or whispering imaginings of personal fantasies. If you choose to swim in the shallow waters of limited knowledge, (not speaking of scripture), but your lack of seeking out the history of the faith.Then perhaps you should not venture to comment on deeper waters. This statement of yours shows you do not know the history of Christianity as all followers should. These are the days in which knowledge will increase. And those things which are hidden, revealed.
John21:24-25
Jesus and the Beloved Apostle
…24This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who has written them down. And we know that his testimony is true. 25There are many more things that Jesus did. If all of them were written down, I suppose not even the world itself would have space for the books that would be written.

I hope your not one of those who thinks the gospel is a wrap. It is Eternal! All of what Christ has done by His own hand and through His Apostles and Mary is in historical records in various countries. History is God's story and man's, before God. Do you know where St. Thomas was martyred?
My point was what historical documents and their manuscript histories are you working off of. Every story has a beginning when someone pens it down for the first time in an autograph. Then from there we have the copies or manuscripts. That is how we know the Bible reliable for its historical context. We have the solid manuscript history.

Most legends emerge 100 years after an event. Maybe more. That is why I asked.
 
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Is this the same James that was tossed off the roof of the synagogue?
No James the brother of John:

Acts 12: New King James Version (NKJV)
12 Now about that time Herod the king stretched out his hand to harass some from the church. 2 Then he killed James the brother of John with the sword. 3 And because he saw that it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to seize Peter also. Now it was during the Days of Unleavened Bread. 4 So when he had arrested him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four squads of soldiers to keep him, intending to bring him before the people after Passover.

According to the OP story James had difficulty with his ministry in Spain and Mary sent him back to Jerusalem to face his martyrdom.
 
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The role of the Theotokos (bearer of the divine God-Man Jesus the Christ) is absolutely central to our salvation. It was her flesh Jesus received in her womb, as any child receives from its mother, and His flesh was that through which our salvation is wrought. So of course she deserves honor for that.

I can't comment on that particular apparition. I can't find anything on it prior to the 12th or 13th century (other than a written personal testimony of 1155), which puts it outside the place of the Orthodox Church to judge it, if that is true. I may have missed something though, so if I did, any interested parties please feel free to post it. We do not normally concern ourselves overmuch as a Church with the private spiritual experiences of an individual.

However, that doesn't negate the point of the title/question - yes, the Virgin Mary has an important role in our salvation.
 
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What is the historical document which establishes this as history?

There is very little about James and Mary in the Acts of the Apostles.
There is a reason why Karl Keating, founder of Catholic Answers, must say, "...the mere fact that the Church teaches the doctrine of the Assumption as definitely true is a guarantee that it is true," - Catholicism and Fundamentalism San Francisco: Ignatius, 1988, p. 275)

The evidence (lack thereof) from the period in which it should be found: Jude 1:3
 
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What is the historical document which establishes this as history?

There is very little about James and Mary in the Acts of the Apostles.

Red, re: Mary, the fact alone that Virgin Mary gave birth to Jesus Christ our Savior, speaks Volumes more than that of all of the Apostles did in the New Testament and of all Christian who ever lived and will live, and of all the Angles and Saints in heaven combined, no one has done more than Mary, Except for Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Amen Amen

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