Refuting Sola Scriptura - Why the Bible Alone is Not Sufficient

[tulipbee]

Is that a fact? Lol.
On what basis did you choose the 66?
How do you know they are inspired?
Did God tell you which books He wrote?
How can we trust you?

The point is the Catholic Church determined the canon, you simply inherited it. If the Church did not establish a canon you would have no idea which books to recognize as authoritative. Churches all of the places had various books and letters they thought were authoritative and it turns out they were not. I have a feeling you would have fallen into the that category.

It's better to believe the bible was inspired by God by faith alone without seeing evidence but you don't see it that way cause your pope authorized you not to so you would continue to give them cash to keep them in profitable business. Even though you wouldn't touch any new discoveries and explore them, other readers of this post might make the slightest effort to see the proven scientific evidence that the 66 book is in fact has been inspired by God. This proven evidence is shown before your physical eyes. Those that want to skip over the useless endless arguments full of lies may explore it further by searching info on Dr Ivan panin or get starting by peeking at http://www.theomatics.com. those that skip over this new info will continue to be blinded by the devil so the RCC arguments are getting boring for those saw the physical lies. This topic is now boring and I'd like to move on and talk about the truths of the gospel. It won't be long before I say I'm outta here. No point in swimming in a pool of lies that makes people have ailments from them

 

[tulipbee]

Protestants believe in Judeo-No Gospel-Pauline Christianity!

The elects believe Paul's writings in the 66 book bible are inspired by God. More lies added isn't necessary

 

[tulipbee]

Depending solely on Sola scriptura is book idolatry!

Scriptures inspired by God is for us to see the compressed hidden lies of RCC. The rest are just zombies.

 

[tulipbee]

Ah, sure they can. The number of crazy interpretations that someone or other has teased out of some Bible verse is almost endless.

Just return to the bible like the rest of the Protestants doing and leave the rest out. This conversation is getting boring

 

[zardak]

How do we know when "the tradition" is from God, or is Gods will, and not from someone else?

1 Cor 14:37 "If any man think himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him ACKNOWLEDGE that THE THINGS I WRITE UNTO YOU ARE THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD."



And as to the opening contention, the OP: that can be easily dismissed in one quote.

1 Cor 4:6 "that ye might learn from us not to think above that which is written"


So now brothers, get back to sola scripture and ignore the frivolous Catholic contention. He's erring from the faith and doubting in himself so trying to make you doubt. It's always Catholics that err from the faith. Don't listen to them: "for we are not as many who corrupt the word of God" < 2 Cor 2:17


2 Timothy 3:16 "ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God"

 

[Goatee]

Scriptures can't be twisted

Say that to the 1,000s of denominations who have decided to read what they want from the Bible!!

 

[Goatee]

1 Cor 14:37 "If any man think himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him ACKNOWLEDGE that THE THINGS I WRITE UNTO YOU ARE THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD."



And as to the opening contention, the OP: that can be easily dismissed in one quote.

1 Cor 4:6 "that ye might learn from us not to think above that which is written"


So now brothers, get back to sola scripture and ignore the frivolous Catholic contention. He's erring from the faith and doubting in himself so trying to make you doubt. It's always Catholics that err from the faith. Don't listen to them: "for we are not as many who corrupt the word of God" < 2 Cor 2:17


2 Timothy 3:16 "ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God"

Thing is, The Catholic Way is the 'TRUE FAITH'.

 

[tulipbee]

Say that to the 1,000s of denominations who have decided to read what they want from the Bible!!

RCC don't know what how what why or when of God. If God inspired the writers of the 66 books and many don't believe some writers due to contradictions and books not similar to each other in writing styles, then that goes for multiple denominations. Each denominations are so different from each other to the point no one gets along but the holy spirit moves them like the churches are lead by God. While everyone fusses over the differences, many have no clue of God. They still don't understand spiritual things of God. They still have no clue what it means God being present. God is of now. I see God in the tumbling leaf in the winds. RCC don't believe in omnipresent. To understand God is to see him as omnipresent. RCC can't say God isn't over there in another denomination. God is there as well. We're all in this together. Catholic church is the universal church. Protestant recognize that and is that. RCC must open the doors Luther posted on and stop creating more lies for the pope to authorize as a another new useless holding tradition.

 

[Goatee]

Everybody else has different interpretations of scripture not governed by the Holy Spirit!! Jesus has said in the Bible

RCC don't know what how what why or when of God. If God inspired the writers of the 66 books and many don't believe some writers due to contradictions and books not similar to each other in writing styles, then that goes for multiple denominations. Each denominations are so different from each other to the point no one gets along but the holy spirit moves them like the churches are lead by God. While everyone fusses over the differences, many have no clue of God. They still don't understand spiritual things of God. They still have no clue what it means God being present. God is of now. I see God in the tumbling leaf in the winds. RCC don't believe in omnipresent. To understand God is to see him as omnipresent. RCC can't say God isn't over there in another denomination. God is there as well. We're all in this together. Catholic church is the universal church. Protestant recognize that and is that. RCC must open the doors Luther posted on and stop creating more lies for the pope to authorize as a another new useless holding tradition.

I agree about what you say that God is with us all. Doesn't matter what denomination you are with!

 

[Chandler50]

Scriptures can't be twisted

Lol, sure. That is why there are thousands of Christian denominations...

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

write everything down (ref. John 21:24-25).

4. Sola Scriptura Produces Bad Fruit
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From a purely logical standpoint, anything that consistently yields negative results is bad. This concept is not just logical, but an explicit teaching of Jesus, "A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit." (Matthew 7:18 NRSVCE) Therefore, if the concept of sola scriptura is 'good' then it should yield 'good' results; however, this is not the situation. Sola scriptura has led to tens of thousands of divisions within the church which is emphatically against scripture. Paul writes:

"I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment. For it has been reported to me by Chloe's people that there is quarreling among you, my brothers. What I mean is that each one of you says, 'I follow Paul,' or 'I follow Apollos,' or 'I follow Cephas,' or 'I follow Christ.' Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?"
- 1 Corinthians 1:10-13 (ESV)

Does this sound familiar? I follow Paul, I follow Cephas (Peter), what about I follow Luther, I follow Calvin, I follow Arminius, I follow Wesley. We are flawed and thus make the same mistakes over and over. We must heed the words of Paul by removing divisions in Christ's church and "...be united in the same mind and the same judgement." (1 Corinthians 1:10 ESV) I cannot fathom how the concept of sola scriptura, whose fruits has consistently defied scripture, could be the intention of God.​

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• I would like to know just what bad fruit has the Bible ever produced that was not the solely attributed to those who read into it to find out what they could use to exault their version of rightiousness or their attempts at denigrating those the individual saw as less rightious than themselves?

I take tradictions as being the overiding culture that prevade Christian societies, but those don't provide a referance to anything other than what has always been is good enough and that isn't very fullfilling when you are in a dilima that you need guidance through and The Bible has many examples of people going through seververal delimmas that can esily be examined in today's light and lessons learned.

The overiding message is love and I've not seen very many who know for real just how much love encompases. From what I've seen most people cherry pick how to love and target the individual as if they were disecting them, piece by piece as if there were portions of that persons that were beniegth that love.

I have an Aunt that fancies herself a Christian, but I can't tell you how many times I've heard her say" Well, Jesus told me I had to love this or that person, so I guess I have to"
Does that sound like love? It sounds like a tradiction an irritated person neads to grudginly adhere to in order to reach Heven.

Just how far inside the pearly gates do you think this person will get before they are inundated with questions they really don't want to answer?

 

[Chandler50]

It is Christian men that established the 66 books regardless of what offspring denomination they were in. The gospel spread like wildfire due to apostles proclaiming the gospel. Apostolic succession broke apart and spread rapidly and too fast and RCC lost focus while the orthodox tried to patch it up and lost track as well while the Protestants gain sharp focus on the gospel. While RCC lost profits and interests, they turn into a cult while 90% of Google search listed RCC them to be just another denomination like others

There are no legitimate 'denominations'. There is the Catholic (universal) Church started by Christ. Everything else is an apostasy.

 

[Albion]

Depending solely on Sola scriptura is book idolatry!

Nooooooo. Trusting the contents to be correct and of divine origin is not the same as worshipping it. You know this.

 

[Chandler50]

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• I would like to know just what bad fruit has the Bible ever produced that was not the solely attributed to those who read into it to find out what they could use to exault their version of rightiousness or their attempts at denigrating those the individual saw as less rightious than themselves?

Did you not read the OP? It is very clear that we are orders but the apostles to not have any divisions among us. When Martin Luther proposed the concept of sola scriptura and broke of the Church that Christ started, there has been nothing but divisions among that offspring. How many thousands of Protestants have divided claiming they know the truth?

The Bible is not what causes bad fruit. It is the humans who use it as there sole source of authority that create bad fruits. Which shows the doctrine is false.

 

[Chandler50]

Nooooooo. Trusting the contents to be correct and of divine origin is not the same as worshipping it. You know this.

Yes it is. If you place a book on a pedistal higher then the active living word of the Holy Spirit, how is that not idolatry?

 

[Chandler50]

Again, everyone claims to be led by the Spirit. The point is for your it's your Magisterium that decides your religion. For others, it is bible-alone, or some combination of bible and a different Tradition. All led by the Spirit.

Some examples of anti-biblical doctrines were posted above. I'd add the Marian dogmas, the priest/laity division, and the sacrifice of bread/wine.

They are extra-biblical, not anti-biblical. God does not contradict Himself, but he did not stop speaking to us.

Can you show me once where Christ says that he is done speaking to us? Then why would you imply that?

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

Did you not read the OP? It is very clear that we are orders but the apostles to not have any divisions among us. When Martin Luther proposed the concept of sola scriptura and broke of the Church that Christ started, there has been nothing but divisions among that offspring. How many thousands of Protestants have divided claiming they know the truth?

The Bible is not what causes bad fruit. It is the humans who use it as there sole source of authority that create bad fruits. Which shows the doctrine is false.

No, humans use it to divide themselves from their brotheren. That is not the fault of The Bible, but of the ambitions of those who read it only to find fault in others.

I think Martin Luther had some greivances with the Catholic church that he posted on the door of a church, did he not?

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

There are no legitimate 'denominations'. There is the Catholic (universal) Church started by Christ. Everything else is an apostasy.

Inmovable object strikes an unstoppable force. I guess God will have to set this streight since I don't place my salvation according to the understanding of men, no matter how well intensioned their attempts are.

 

[Albion]

No, humans use it to divide themselves from their brotheren.

Do you seriously think that most differences of opinion over Bible passages owe to some believers deliberately coming up with a different meaning only in order to divide themselves from other Christians and not because they really believe their interpretations to be correct? Personally, i see no reason to think that's so.

That is not the fault of The Bible, but of the ambitions of those who read it only to find fault in others.

I absolutely believe it's not the fault of the Bible.

I think Martin Luther had some greivances with the Catholic church that he posted on the door of a church, did he not?

Are you saying that he trumped something up simply to divide himself from other Christians??

 

[Root of Jesse]

I am very aware of what the Catholic church teaches. I was raised Catholic and attended a parochial school. I went through all the Sacraments which a Catholic child normally goes through, and I finished the entire Catechism in Religion class.

Not to attack you, personally, but do you think that even 12 years of Catholic schooling would make you an expert? My experience is that many times, parochial school attendees pay about as much attention in religion class as they do to their own parents, which makes their understanding inversely proportional. If the parents are real, devout, practicing Catholics, the children will learn the faith from them, with CCD as a supplement. If the parents use CCD as an after-school baby-sitting service, and don't practice their faith, then the kids will drift away.

I am also well aware of the many non-official stories and practices which are common among Catholics which teach things which are NOT a part of the Catholic standards, yet are believed and followed by many. Practice usually does NOT adhere strictly to official teaching in nearly ALL denominations.

Do you understand the difference between
Tradition and tradition? tradition = practices, which can and do vary. Tradition does not, and must follow Scripture, or, at least, not contradict Scripture.

But, it must be understood that practice, in itself, does teach people things. The very fact that some of those things which are taught by practice differ from what is officially taught through sermon, homily, or classroom, points out that a final authority MUST exist. In truth, and I think you will agree, God alone is that authority. But through what does He primarily pass His Truth? I haven't taken the time, nor will I, to demonstrate instances where a particular head, or tradition, has differed from what Scripture actually says. I will leave that task to others, it isn't my intention to argue or diminish that which you believe. My only point is that there must be a final, definitive, unarguable, and unchangeable, source of direction, which supersedes all other guides of faith and theology. I can find no other than the Scripture. As long as tradition and a particular head coincide EXACTLY with Scripture, I take no issue with either of them. But, if even a single instance can be demonstrated where one of them has gone where Scripture has not, then it must be regarded as inferior to Scripture. If one believes that one of these has never departed from the Scripture, they should have no issue with that statement.

If you don't take the time to show where Popes have taught error in matters of faith and morals, we can't be sure that they have. They don't have to go where Scripture does not. They have to not contradict Scripture.