Refuting Sola Scriptura - Why the Bible Alone is Not Sufficient

[Goatee]

The Catholic church was created by emperor Constantine to use Christianity to bring a divided empire back together by christianizing pagan religions and paganizing christian religions. Please fact check.

Waw!! You really believe that?

The term Catholic (usually written with uppercase C in English) was first used to describe the Christian Church in the early 2nd century to emphasize its universal scope.

The Catholic church was the Church of Jesus. He has full credit to its birth!

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

I don't determine who goes to hell or heaven, I leave it up to God.

Yet the Catholic Church does determine who goes to hell or heaven.

Catholic Catechism, par. 870 "The sole Church of Christ which in the Creed we profess to be one, holy, catholic, and apostolic, . . . subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter [i.e., the pope] and by the bishops in communion with him. Nevertheless, many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside its visible confines'(LG 8).
Catholic Catechism, par. 846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? [Cf. Cyprian, Ep. 73.21: PL 3, 1169; De unit.: PL 4, 509-536.] Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. [LG 14; cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5.]



1) "The holy universal Church proclaims that God cannot truly be worshipped save within herself, and asserts that all they who are without her pale shall never be saved."

Pope Gregory the Great 540-604 A.D.

2) "The Church is like the Ark of Noah, outside of which nobody can be saved."

St. Thomas Aquinas 1224-1274 A.D.

3) "That there is one Holy Catholic and apostolic Church we are compelled to believe and to hold, prompted by divine faith, and we do believe this firmly and confess it simply, outside of which there can be no salvation, or remission of sins…."

Pope Boniface VIII 1235-1303 A.D., became Pope in 1294

4) "It is a sin to believe that there is salvation outside the Catholic Church."

Pope Pius IX 1792-1878 A.D., became Pope in 1846, convened the first Vatican Council in 1869, which enunciated the Catholic doctrine of papal infallibility.

5) "We believe the Church is necessary for salvation because Christ, who is the sole mediator and exclusive way of salvation, renders Himself present for us in His body which is the Church. We must always remember the unity of the mystical body, without which there can be no salvation, is open to no one outside the Catholic Church."

Pope Paul VI 1897-1978 A.D. became Pope in 1963

6) "For it is through Christ’s Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help towards salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained."

Vatican II 1965

 

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As you can see from this thread my friends in Christ, Catholics are just not 'Sola Scripture!'

We have Sacred Tradition. This opens up the Holy Spirit to us which is so wonderful!!! Jesus said he would not desert his church!!! The Holy Spirit is guiding us and making known to us fantastic things!

God is truly alive today in the Church of Christ. He feeds us with his knowledge and his abundant graces. Many things that Jesus did were not written down. Jesus continues in the church today, guiding us and enlightening us.

Sola Scripture, as suggested by quite a few on here means, to me, a 'dead book'. The Bible is one part of God. The other part is in Sacred Tradition. How the church continues to grow and learn through the Holy Spirit!

Many people in Jesus time were stuck in the OT days / scripture! Jesus brought them a new covenant. A new teaching. If you stick with Sola Scripture alone then you are like the jews of Jesus time. Stuck in the past. Scripture needs interpreting correctly. How? By the Holy Spirit! Through the church of Christ.

Open up your minds, hearts and Souls to the Living Christ! Breath in Sacred Tradition, coupled with the Holy Bible. Continue in the name of Jesus!

God bless you all.

So Catholics are different from Mormons how? Both claimed the same thing.

 

[Goatee]

Yet the Catholic Church does determine who goes to hell or heaven.

Catholic Catechism, par. 870 "The sole Church of Christ which in the Creed we profess to be one, holy, catholic, and apostolic, . . . subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter [i.e., the pope] and by the bishops in communion with him. Nevertheless, many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside its visible confines'(LG 8).
Catholic Catechism, par. 846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? [Cf. Cyprian, Ep. 73.21: PL 3, 1169; De unit.: PL 4, 509-536.] Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. [LG 14; cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5.]



1) "The holy universal Church proclaims that God cannot truly be worshipped save within herself, and asserts that all they who are without her pale shall never be saved."

Pope Gregory the Great 540-604 A.D.

2) "The Church is like the Ark of Noah, outside of which nobody can be saved."

St. Thomas Aquinas 1224-1274 A.D.

3) "That there is one Holy Catholic and apostolic Church we are compelled to believe and to hold, prompted by divine faith, and we do believe this firmly and confess it simply, outside of which there can be no salvation, or remission of sins…."

Pope Boniface VIII 1235-1303 A.D., became Pope in 1294

4) "It is a sin to believe that there is salvation outside the Catholic Church."

Pope Pius IX 1792-1878 A.D., became Pope in 1846, convened the first Vatican Council in 1869, which enunciated the Catholic doctrine of papal infallibility.

5) "We believe the Church is necessary for salvation because Christ, who is the sole mediator and exclusive way of salvation, renders Himself present for us in His body which is the Church. We must always remember the unity of the mystical body, without which there can be no salvation, is open to no one outside the Catholic Church."

Pope Paul VI 1897-1978 A.D. became Pope in 1963

6) "For it is through Christ’s Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help towards salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained."

Vatican II 1965

So, you going to re join then brother?

 

[Goatee]

So Catholics are different from Mormons how? Both claimed the same thing.

You would say that! lol

 

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You could also say it is a non-Catholic bias!

If you call anything that tells the truth about the Catholic Church non-Catholic then so be it. Please show me i am wrong from a neutral source.

 

[Goatee]

If you call anything that tells the truth about the Catholic Church non-Catholic then so be it. Please show me i am wrong from a neutral source.

Look, i have given quotes from Scripture regarding Sola Scripture etc and still we disagree. You will always disagree as you are lost. Maybe, one day you will return home to the true church.

 

[Root of Jesse]

There are none today that say as little as that woman back then said while blessing His mother's "God bearing womb" and her paps.

So you know everyone who has anything to say about Mary...

If that woman (who said so little) needed correction then, the doctrine and praise of Mary to day is like something on steriods.

I don't think she was corrected at all, just embellished by Jesus.

I believe Jesus is showing us in this picture that this woman is off base in her womb/paps focus and blessing the creature above the Creator.

I don't believe that at all. He said "More blessed are those who..." It wasn't a correction.

She totally went all paps and womb over him in my opinion.

At least we know it's your opinion, now...

Might be best to immitate Mary's doings then to just blow smoke at some cement made to ressemble her

Regardless of whom a statue resembles, it's who it depicts, and why. Besides, where do we see Mary? At the foot of the Cross. Where we should be, along with her.

 

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Waw!! You really believe that?

The term Catholic (usually written with uppercase C in English) was first used to describe the Christian Church in the early 2nd century to emphasize its universal scope.

The Catholic church was the Church of Jesus. He has full credit to its birth!

Ok..."Roman Catholic Church". I have noticed that you tend to dodge answering to the questions.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Its not just that one author. Look in any history book on the subject that does not have a catholic bias. It really doesn't matter. It doesn't surprise me that you are unwilling to do a fact check. I was the same way when i was a Catholic. I was afraid to question the church and I refused to listen to anything that said differently from what the church taught. Only proves my point about "blindly following the church without question".

The point of view matters, and I studied history before I became Catholic, and after I became Catholic. In fact, the history of Catholicism is one reason I converted. I don't need anything else. And if I ever have questions or doubts, I'm not afraid to bring them up to proper authority. What are they going to do, kill me?

 

[Root of Jesse]

The Catholic church was created by emperor Constantine to use Christianity to bring a divided empire back together by christianizing pagan religions and paganizing christian religions. Please fact check.

The Catholic Church was created by Jesus Christ. It was outlawed by the Caesars until Constantine legalized it. We have the catacombs of Rome and elsewhere to prove the Church from Christ's time to Constantine's.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Yet the Catholic Church does determine who goes to hell or heaven.

Catholic Catechism, par. 870 "The sole Church of Christ which in the Creed we profess to be one, holy, catholic, and apostolic, . . . subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter [i.e., the pope] and by the bishops in communion with him. Nevertheless, many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside its visible confines'(LG 8).
Catholic Catechism, par. 846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? [Cf. Cyprian, Ep. 73.21: PL 3, 1169; De unit.: PL 4, 509-536.] Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. [LG 14; cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5.]



1) "The holy universal Church proclaims that God cannot truly be worshipped save within herself, and asserts that all they who are without her pale shall never be saved."

Pope Gregory the Great 540-604 A.D.

2) "The Church is like the Ark of Noah, outside of which nobody can be saved."

St. Thomas Aquinas 1224-1274 A.D.

3) "That there is one Holy Catholic and apostolic Church we are compelled to believe and to hold, prompted by divine faith, and we do believe this firmly and confess it simply, outside of which there can be no salvation, or remission of sins…."

Pope Boniface VIII 1235-1303 A.D., became Pope in 1294

4) "It is a sin to believe that there is salvation outside the Catholic Church."

Pope Pius IX 1792-1878 A.D., became Pope in 1846, convened the first Vatican Council in 1869, which enunciated the Catholic doctrine of papal infallibility.

5) "We believe the Church is necessary for salvation because Christ, who is the sole mediator and exclusive way of salvation, renders Himself present for us in His body which is the Church. We must always remember the unity of the mystical body, without which there can be no salvation, is open to no one outside the Catholic Church."

Pope Paul VI 1897-1978 A.D. became Pope in 1963

6) "For it is through Christ’s Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help towards salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained."

Vatican II 1965

Name someone the Catholic Church has condemned to hell. Just one.

 

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So, you going to re join then brother?

Shop dodging the issue! Do you then admit that the Roman Catholic Church has the authority to determine who is saved and who goes to hell? That just fear mongering by the Roman Catholic Church to prevent you from ever questioning it.

 

[Goatee]

Ok..."Roman Catholic Church". I have noticed that you tend to dodge answering to the questions.

And you seem to make things up! lol

 

[Goatee]

Shop dodging the issue! Do you then admit that the Roman Catholic Church has the authority to determine who is saved and who goes to hell? That just fear mongering by the Roman Catholic Church to prevent you from ever questioning it.

Shop dodging? Whats that?

 

[Fireinfolding]

So you know everyone who has anything to say about Mary...
I don't think she was corrected at all, just embellished by Jesus.
I don't believe that at all. He said "More blessed are those who..." It wasn't a correction.
At least we know it's your opinion, now...

Regardless of whom a statue resembles, it's who it depicts, and why. Besides, where do we see Mary? At the foot of the Cross. Where we should be, along with her.

I just believe Jesus that she was way over the top and that stay away from folks who do that.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

You would say that! lol

Explain to me what is the difference between the Roman Catholic Church adding to the Bible and the Mormons. Both believe that Holy Spirit had inspired their leaders to add to the Bible. Mormonism is not Sola Scriptura. Don't dodge the question. Tell me what is difference between the two in regards to how new divine information is aquired.

 

[Arcangl86]

Explain to me what is the difference between the Roman Catholic Church adding to the Bible and the Mormons. Both believe that Holy Spirit had inspired their leaders to add to the Bible. Mormonism is not Sola Scriptura. Don't dodge the question. Tell me what is difference between the two in regards to how new divine information is aquired.

Actually the Catholic Church didn't add to the Bible. It was more that the Reformers removed certain books.

 

[Goatee]

Explain to me what is the difference between the Roman Catholic Church adding to the Bible and the Mormons. Both believe that Holy Spirit had inspired their leaders to add to the Bible. Mormonism is not Sola Scriptura. Don't dodge the question. Tell me what is difference between the two in regards to how new divine information is aquired.

Look it up on the internet my dear friend in Christ as you will get the answer you desire there!

 

[Root of Jesse]

Shop dodging the issue! Do you then admit that the Roman Catholic Church has the authority to determine who is saved and who goes to hell? That just fear mongering by the Roman Catholic Church to prevent you from ever questioning it.

No. But the Catholic Church has the authority to warn live humans when they are in mortal danger, and that's what the Church does. God in His Mercy puts people where they want to be. If they, of their own volition love God, then heaven it is, if they love something other than God more than they love God, he gives them that, as well.