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So if any one of the three are found to be in error -- Catholicism collapses?
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No. The Catholic faith is this, we believe in holy scripture, in holy tradition, and in the magisterium. take one away and the whole structure collapses.
If Scripture alone cannot decide if the soul sleeps or not and if annihilationism is true or not then it is not sufficient to decide all matters of doctrine and practise is it? And why does SDA opinion trump Methodist opinion? Is it by vote? Majority wins?
How do we know when "the tradition" is from God, or is Gods will, and not from someone else?
Would never happen, Bob. The Holy Spirit won't let it.So if any one of the three are found to be in error -- Catholicism collapses?
Would never happen, Bob. The Holy Spirit won't let it.
That's your interpretation, I get it. But we believe you're wrong.Traditions of the One True nation church started by God at Sinai -- hammered "sola scriptura" in Mark 7:6-13 -- by Christ Himself.
Scripture can't decide what you should eat for dinner. We're all lost according to your understanding. Wait a minute. You still don't know what SS is.If Scripture alone cannot decide if the soul sleeps or not and if annihilationism is true or not then it is not sufficient to decide all matters of doctrine and practise is it?
Nobody wants to deal with the clear insufficiency demonstrated here.
How about you define what you think Sola Scriptura is (and what it isn't) so that we can all be sure we're on the same page?Scripture can't decide what you should eat for dinner. We're all lost according to your understanding. Wait a minute. You still don't know what SS is.
Sola scriptura (Latin ablative, "by Scripture alone") is the Christian doctrine that the Bible is the supreme authority in all matters of doctrine and practice.How about you define what you think Sola Scriptura is (and what it isn't) so that we can all be sure we're on the same page?
I see. And by that reckoning, does a given doctrine have to be explicitly authorized by Sacred Scripture? Or is it sufficient that a given doctrine merely not conflict with Sacred Scripture?Sola scriptura (Latin ablative, "by Scripture alone") is the Christian doctrine that the Bible is the supreme authority in all matters of doctrine and practice.
Let's take an example of a de fide doctrine. For RC, it must believe Mary is Ever-Virgin. Let's say I disagree that Mary is not EV. We turn to scripture to determine the answer. Let's say scripture is silent on this (potential) doctrine. Then we agree you and I may believe it or not and it has nothing to do with our common Christian faith.I see. And by that reckoning, does a given doctrine have to be explicitly authorized by Sacred Scripture? Or is it sufficient that a given doctrine merely not conflict with Sacred Scripture?
Let's not.Let's take an example of a de fide doctrine.
Which of those is it?And by that reckoning, does a given doctrine have to be explicitly authorized by Sacred Scripture? Or is it sufficient that a given doctrine merely not conflict with Sacred Scripture?
There's no sense that we would have a doctrine about which scripture is silent. We might have opinions, but no "of the faith once delivered".I see. And by that reckoning, does a given doctrine have to be explicitly authorized by Sacred Scripture? Or is it sufficient that a given doctrine merely not conflict with Sacred Scripture?
I see. So a given doctrine, in your view, must be legitimized by Sacred Scripture before it can be accepted. Is that a correct assessment?There's no sense that we would have a doctrine about which scripture is silent. We might have opinions, but no "of the faith once delivered".
Sola scriptura (Latin ablative, "by Scripture alone") is the Christian doctrine that the Bible is the supreme authority in all matters of doctrine and practice.I see. So a given doctrine, in your view, must be legitimized by Sacred Scripture before it can be accepted. Is that a correct assessment?
Isn't that what Christ and His apostles taught?I see. So a given doctrine, in your view, must be legitimized by Sacred Scripture before it can be accepted. Is that a correct assessment?
It sounds like you and Job8 disagree then.Bring your doctrines to scripture. If scripture is silent, then do whatever you want with it. If your doctrine aligns with scripture, then abide. If your doctrine contradicts, then repent (renew your mind with God's word).
Isn't that what Christ and His apostles taught?
Isn't that what Christ and His apostles taught?
And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. (Luke 24:44-47).
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