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nobdysfool said:No, you were not answering that question. I replied to a couple of assertions you made in that post that were clearly wrong. And they still are.
Is this debate new to you ?
Show me any ware in the bible that OSAS is clear and not in any way a direct contradiction to anything in the bible :
If it is a contradiction then the theology is wrong
I'm still on a search for the truth can you help
If you can not loose salvation then
Whats stoping a man from not wanting to sin
Is their a verse in the bible for helping the saved not sin?
If you cAnt loose your salvation then their is No accountability and No God fearing in men
OSAS are not in Jesus teachings are almost directly against them?
My view isn't new to you i hope
Just to be clear is OSAS in the bible and if so
How isn't that a contradiction to the rest of the bible?
Thanks for being in good cheer
Is this debate new to you ?
All you have been doing is telling us it's wrong, and posting various claims, but you are not offering any specifics. Until you do, don't expect much in the way of answers. You're just parroting someone else's goofy claims.Show me any ware in the bible that OSAS is clear and not in any way a direct contradiction to anything in the bible :
If it is a contradiction then the theology is wrong
You say you're on a search for truth, then spend most of your time telling us the way you think it is. That's not searching, that's attempting to teach. Only thing is you don't have enough of a grasp of the subject to be able to teach it.I'm still on a search for the truth can you help
Of course. But not for salvation nor maintenance of salvation.Jesus teachings of sin no more
Are clear and consistent
Actually, that is exactly what He taught.OSAS is contradictive to the direct teachings of Jesus.
I gave 4 passages that teach it but they have been ignored.What hasn't been found in the bible is OSAS
John 10:28-29 are directly from Jesus, and include yourself.And especial from jesus him self he never once speaks of this OSAS
Brother Chris said:Everytime we show you verses, you immediately twist them and say "not if they continue in justified sin." You won't believe in OSAS. You don't want to believe it.
The real question is who is she trusting for her salvation and on what basis.Lori, based on what you're teaching, people may question your salvation. Was there ever a time in your life when you prayed and asked Jesus to come into your heart?
nobdysfool said:No it's as old as the hills and twice as dusty. All you have been doing is telling us it's wrong, and posting various claims, but you are not offering any specifics. Until you do, don't expect much in the way of answers. You're just parroting someone else's goofy claims. You say you're on a search for truth, then spend most of your time telling us the way you think it is. That's not searching, that's attempting to teach. Only thing is you don't have enough of a grasp of the subject to be able to teach it. Obviously you missed the larger post I addressed to you. Scroll back up and read it carefully. It addresses some of your concerns.
Back in post #556 I gave 4 different passages that prove OSAS and all of them were ignored.This debate is in every church and will not go away until someone finds OSAS backed up in the bible
OK, I've given 4 clear passages that teach OSAS.This debate for me is for my search for the truth
I think as long as we can stay in good cheer and healthy discussions maybe we can find the answers together
First questionFreeGrace2 said:Of course. But not for salvation nor maintenance of salvation. Actually, that is exactly what He taught. John 10:28-29 28and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. 29“ My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. The phrase "no one" means "not any one" or "no person". If you consider yourself a person, then what Jesus said includes yourself. So, not even yourself can break free from the Father's hand. That is eternal security, or OSAS. I gave 4 passages that teach it but they have been ignored. John 10:28-29 are directly from Jesus, and include yourself.
FreeGrace2 said:Of course. But not for salvation nor maintenance of salvation. Actually, that is exactly what He taught. John 10:28-29 28and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. 29“ My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. The phrase "no one" means "not any one" or "no person". If you consider yourself a person, then what Jesus said includes yourself. So, not even yourself can break free from the Father's hand. That is eternal security, or OSAS. I gave 4 passages that teach it but they have been ignored. John 10:28-29 are directly from Jesus, and include yourself.
I have twice now. Back in post #556 and in #669. Please deal with these 4 passages and if you disagree that they teach OSAS, please explain why clearly.I'm looking for anyone who can prove it with out a contradiction in the word of God so far no one can
For the umpteenth time, NO ONE has ever said that sin is justified. So why are you continuing to claim what is patently untrue. And you've been told repeatedly that no one has, and has challenged you to provide post # and poster, which you have not.and this is still a topic in the world in not the only one ,
Justified sin is ok if it's in the bible as ok I just can't find it
I'm happy to repeat myself, though I've already explained this.First question
So their is no consequence for sin now, all of what jesus says about sinning is reversed because of salvation?
Here is a problem. I've given solid support from Scripture on OSAS and all you've done is talk over it with a silly question. Please deal with the passage and please explain what Jesus meant if not that all believers are secure in His hand.Then all the scriptures about brethren ERR from the faith falling away and sins that lead to death
Just mean nothing ?
FreeGrace2 said:The real question is who is she trusting for her salvation and on what basis. If she has placed her faith in Jesus Christ to save her on the basis of His dying for all of her sins, she is saved, according to the Bible. But if not…the Bible says no. As it seems, she is trusting in her own repentance and feeling sorry for sin to save her, as Jesus only died for her past sins, and she has to fix all the rest of her sins through feeling sorry. At least, that's what she has appeared to communicate. That view will save no one.
FreeGrace2 said:Back in post #556 I gave 4 different passages that prove OSAS and all of them were ignored. So here goes again: Rom 8:38 tells us that there is nothing in the present, nor in the future that can separate us from the love of Christ. And there is NO EXCEPTIONS listed of what may occur in the future, so that verse is a guarantee that all who have believed in Christ will NEVER be separated from Him. Eph 1:13-14 says - 13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory. Let's unpack this: those who have believed are sealed in Christ with the Holy Spirit of PROMISE. I'm sure you know what a PROMISE means. God has pledged our inheritance with the Holy Spirit, with a view to redemption. How is this not clear about a guarantee of our salvation? But if that's not enough, let's look at another: Eph 4:30 - Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Again, believers are SEALED by the Holy Spirit for the day of redemption. A clear promise that all believers will see the day of redemption. But if that's not enough, here are more verses: 2 Cor 1:22 - who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge. Again, believers are SEALED as a PLEDGE. This is God's promise that ALL believers WILL see the day of redemption. It is a GUARANTEE. 2 Cor 5:5 - Now He who prepared us for this very purpose is God, who gave to us the Spirit as a pledge. Rom 6:23 - the gift of God is eternal life. Rom 11:29 - God's gifts are IRREVOCABLE. John 10:28 - no one (not any person, which includes ourselves) can snatch us out of God's hand. That means that NO believer can jump out of His hand. There is NO REASON to accept your view that salvation can be lost. Believers are sealed with the Holy Spirit for the day of redemption. Guaranteed. I've given 4 different NT books that teach our salvation is guaranteed. OK, I've given 4 clear passages that teach OSAS. Please interact with each of them if they don't teach what I am claiming they teach. And please tell me what they do teach.
I can answer every one of your questions concerning the apparent contradiction between OSAS and the Bible's warnings about sin.I'm looking for anyone who can prove it with out a contradiction in the word of God so far no one can and this is still a topic in the world in not the only one ,
Justified sin is ok if it's in the bible as ok I just can't find it
Funny stuff, it is an old topic but it's not going any ware it's like a circle .
I wanna say in my readings on OSAS that we are saying the same thing.
It's almost just a verbiage difference OSAS is like assumed salvation with faith
And the other is assumed through faith because of Gods imputed righteousness ,
The only thing off is the scripture pertaining to brethren who ERR or fall away and what sin does to all men or what the consequence of sin -vs - if your under " unmerited favor "
it doesn't pertain to you.
Is that because of assumed salvation through a strong faith? If not
Ware is this teaching in the bible ?
Marvin Knox said:I can answer every one of your questions concerning the apparent contradiction between OSAS and the Bible's warnings about sin. But I will only give them to you privately. I doubt that your pride would allow you to come to a public display of understanding. I don't want to provide a public platform for what I believe to be your sin. If you will contact me, I will help you get a handle on how these things can possibly be. If you do not ask me privately to help you understand - your sins are on your head. My conscience will be clear.
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