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If someone continually misrepresents someone else's views, and never corrects himself despite correct information given to him, will he go to heaven or to the lake of fire?
Do you believe all liars go to the lake of fire as Revelation states, or do you believe otherwise?
That's what is being assumed not but it doesn't say that in scriptureFreeGrace2 said:Feeling bad has NO effect in the Christian life. It is a change of mind that is key. One needs to know the Greek words to understand Scripture. Repent is NOT the same as regret. They are different.
lori milne said:That's what is being assumed not but it doesn't say that in scripture The word for repent in Hebrew is teshuva That is to repent from sin. I get your idea of repent but I don't fully agree with the idea you've stated. I agree with what the word of God says about God knows your Heart. If you continue to sin after you stop feeling bad the first time or second God won't forgive you That's a reprobate mind. Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? ([bless and do not curse]2 Corinthians‬ [bless and do not curse]13‬:[bless and do not curse]5‬ KJV) Judas was remorse according to the Hebrew And that is another was of being sorry. Sorry wouldn't imply that he would want to continue in that sin. Scripture speaks of regret and turning away. David repented Peter repented Judas repented They didn't continue in a sin they new would lead them away from God If you feel bad 9/10 times the man will want to stop and God forgives If you don't feel bad and continue your not forgiven your a reprobate If you don't feel bad and stop God forgives you The point is 9/10 feel bad because they no better and then they stop God bless
The sin we can clearly see are to be a choice in a mans life are stated continually in the bibleFreeGrace2 said:Jesus was very clear in Matt 5 about the thoughts behind the overt act of sin. So your idea that thoughts are somehow "unintentional" is bogus. I've already shown that no one can make you angry. It's you yourself that allows others to make you angry. It's a choice. Getting angry at someone is your choice. Did Jesus get angry at all the unfair treatment He received? No. He asked His Father to forgive them. It's a choice. You're always talking about being perfect. So what's all this about "unintentional sin" thing? Jesus never sinned. So why are you trying to split hairs on intentional vs unintentional sins? Jesus was very clear about thoughts behind the overt acts. Those who have actually read Paul's epistles know what he said about himself. Rom 7 is a confession about it: v.15 - For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. v.17 - So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. v.19 - For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. v.21 - I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. v.23 - but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members. 1 Tim 1:15 - It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I AM foremost of all. Paul wrote this in the present tense when he wrote "I am". He didn't write "I was…".
What was the intention of Joe's heart? Actually no one knows what sins infest their hearts until they manifest themselves. If given the opportunity, would Joe have gone to the Lord and ask forgiveness? Would Joe have continued in that sin if he had lived?
God knew Joe's heart and what he would have done if he had the opportunity. It sounds like Joe would have realized his sin and repented of it.
Everyone who goes to heaven has sin in their hearts which the Light hasn't exposed yet. Until the Lord shows us those sins, how is repentance realized?
Now I will ask you NF, Bill, a reformed believer, knows he has a problem with lying. He does nothing to change this behavior, yet is staunch in his reformed beliefs. He believes his sins are paid in full and needs to do nothing about his lying. In fact, lying becomes more pronounced with each day.
When pressed about his lying, Bill shrugs it off now starts to commit adultery against his wife. He continues his adultery and lies to his wife about his faithfulness.
Will Bill go to heaven or to the lake of fire?
You started the OP with what could have been opening a thread for debate and learning.I'm not teAching I'm warning and opening the thread for debate! Sorry if you feel offended
But I'm open to learning as well and truly on my own search for understanding
Your anti Reformed agenda is apparent to all and in particular to the Lord who is reading right along with us.There are multiple views of reformation. I don't think I've misrepresented anyone. If what I wrote isn't your view, then don't be offended. There are plenty of different reformed beliefs to go around for everybody.
I put up a scenario and wasn't pointing out anyone in particular. If this doesn't represent you, I would appreciate it if you would just let it slide. Thank you.
Marvin Knox said:Your anti Reformed agenda is apparent to all and in particular to the Lord who is reading right along with us. You do misrepresent Reformed teaching as I have challenged you on many times. You continue in your sin. I hope you don't step off the curb and get hit by a car before you change your ways. Of course if I were pretty sure that you are saved my concern would be because of your upcoming Judgment Seat of Christ appointment. Since I believe your particular agenda against Reformed in general and OSAS in particular has long ago crossed over into teaching a gospel of works - my concern for your future is for much more than "just" the Judgment Seat.
Are you saying if he dies after stepping off the curb and getting hit by a car " he will go to hell ?
Your anti Reformed agenda is apparent to all and in particular to the Lord who is reading right along with us.
You do misrepresent Reformed teaching as I have challenged you on many times.
You continue in your sin. I hope you don't step off the curb and get hit by a car before you change your ways.
Of course if I were pretty sure that you are saved my concern would be because of your upcoming Judgment Seat of Christ appointment.
Since I believe your particular agenda against Reformed in general and OSAS in particular has long ago crossed over into teaching a gospel of works - my concern for your future is for much more than "just" the Judgment Seat.
Sorry, what you are describing here is not a believer. God disciplines and corrects His children, so that they don't go on sinning just because they're under grace and all their sins are paid for. They have been born of God, and they will not continue to sin this way (1 John 3:9). Your scenarios are not biblical.
Instead, you'd rather try to insert yourself into a conversation that is not directed at you, to try and disrupt it, and using a twisted form of the question I asked that you won't answer.
His words were NOT for humanity. They were for the RYR.Then we can say, though Jesus spoke to the young ruler, His words are for humanity. You can't have it the way you would prefer FG2.
The commandments of Jesus are found in the NT. Paul referred to them as the "mind of Christ" per 1 Cor 2:16. Apparently your view is to follow the Mosaic Law. That would mean you're a proselyte of Judaism.Why wasn't it the Mosaic law? Jesus told us the following in Matthew 22
37 And He said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
38 This is the great and foremost commandment.
39 The second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
40 On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.
ALL the law and prophets are summed in these two commandments Jesus gave. Jesus didn't come to abolish the law or the prophets.
Since Jesus is the Truth, how can one believe and be saved without Jesus?
There are many truths found in Scripture. Yes, Jesus IS truth. But everything He said and commanded is also truth. One can be saved yet be extremely ignorant of truth. Knowing nearly nothing of what Jesus commanded. That's what I'm talking about.Besides, these believers have no truth because they do not keep His commandments; they are liars. They don't even know Jesus. Can one be saved without knowing Jesus?
So, those who are "fearful" will go to hell, huh? And anyone who has ever lied as well? That's simply ridiculous. It's unbelievers who go to hell. And because they don't possess eternal life. Rev 22:15 says as much.8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Within this group, we have subsets. The fearful, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, whoremongers, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars are a subset of the group. Just because one is a murderer, does not mean he whoremonger, just as if one is a liar, does not mean he is unbelieving.
John 3:18 and 36 refute your view.In fact, a believer can be within any subset, and if he continues as such, he will have his part in the lake of fire.
Hardly. But I understand what Jesus did to it. Unlike others.Of course it's about sin; you dismiss sin so easily.
There is no verse that says that. It is simply a made up statement. Without any validity.I say ALL liars who do not overcome, are not written in the book of life.
Please describe how one eradicates an unclean heart. Is that something man does? And what verse says this?That's why we are admonished to cast away all iniquities, to lay aside all filthiness, to flee sin, and cleanse our hearts. Many do not give these truths a second thought. The only way to not commit adultery is to eradicate the source - an unclean heart
I see. So, God must wait for the person to cleanse his own filthy heart before can create a new heart within him. This just smacks of a works based salvation system. No one can clean themself up. That's what God does for us.So yes, a man can cleanse his filthy heart so God can create a new heart within him.
The new heart comes from God, not from ourselves.Until a man cleanses his heart, it will be filled with sinful thoughts.
Then, according to your own view, youse gots troubles.No need to worry FG2, I am a sinner.
None of which has anything to do with loss of salvation.Yes, sin abides in me, but when the Light reveals it, I can either remove it or be choose to be enslaved to it.
That is not Biblical. The Biblical view is salvation by grace through faith. Eph 2:8 says exactly that!!Actually my view is salvation by obedience.
Two people have answer the question the same way "only God can judge him . You just didn't like it from me I guess And im sorry for what ever i may have said that hardened your heart against menobdysfool said:When are you going to stop dancing around, and answer the question I asked in the scenario that I posted? You have done everything but answer the question. Could it be that you can't? Instead, you'd rather try to insert yourself into a conversation that is not directed at you, to try and disrupt it, and using a twisted form of the question I asked that you won't answer. You have revealed a lot about just how unbiblical your view is by doing so. You've been shown the Truth, and you reject it. That's sad...
Actually, it is your view that is not found anywhere in Scripture. I provided the 2 different words that are trnanslated "repent" and one really means 'regret'. But one is free to reject this truth.That's what is being assumed not but it doesn't say that in scripture
The NT wasn't written in Hebrew, so this is not relevant. Please define what is meant by "repent" in your view. Thanks.The word for repent in Hebrew is teshuva
That is to repent from sin.
Please show me where the Bible tells us to feel bad. It's not in Scripture. The Bible does tell us what to do with our sin. We are to confess it. And only when we do that, God cleanses us from sin and cleanses us from all unrighteousness. So says 1 Jn 1:9.I get your idea of repent but I don't fully agree with the idea you've stated. I agree with what the word of God says about God knows your
Heart.
If you continue to sin after you stop feeling bad the first time or second God won't forgive you
That's a reprobate mind.
What do you think Paul means by "examining" ourselves?Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? ([bless and do not curse]2 Corinthians‬ [bless and do not curse]13‬:[bless and do not curse]5‬ KJV)
No one gets saved by being sorry.Judas was remorse according to the Hebrew
And that is another was of being sorry.
Neither of these guys felt sorry. They changed their minds, as the Greek word means.David repented
Peter repented
Yeah, he felt sorry all the way to hell.Judas repented
Please support each of these statements with Scripture.If you feel bad 9/10 times the man will want to stop and God forgives
If you don't feel bad and continue your not forgiven your a reprobate
If you don't feel bad and stop God forgives you
I would never claim to know if any person was saved or not saved. But I might have my suspicions and concerns based on what they believed and taught.Are you saying if he dies after stepping off the curb and getting hit by a car " he will go to hell ?
Two people have answer the question the same way "only God can judge him .
You just didn't like it from me I guess And im sorry for what ever i may have said that hardened your heart against me
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