Refusing to be vaccinated against Covid-19 is a ’sin’ & anti-vaxxers must spend their life repenting

rusmeister said:

I don’t even go to see doctors at the local clinic any more because everything is covid. Unless things change, I’m pretty much going to live from now on without medical care. I haven’t been to the clinic in close to 2 years now.

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FenderTL5 said:

Other than the dentist or the pharmacy, I've not been to a doctor since 2004

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rusmeister said:

Of course there are very healthy people who hardly ever need medical care. But that’s not most people. And when you get past your prime, problems begin to multiply as your body ceases working like it used to. Youth takes youth for granted.

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gurneyhalleck1 said:

So Satan was behind the quarantine? And where is the peer-reviewed research that demonstrates vitamins and vegetables stop an insidious global pandemic? Most of these theories are the stuff of Facebook, Instagram, and social media. Herbal supplements aren’t even regulated and their efficacy has never been proven. I find it ironic and fascinating how people will lambast the vaccine for not being FDA-approved (even though it now is) but they will take scores of herbs that are completely unregulated! Around 20,000 Americans are rushed to the ER every year for overdoses or misuse of herbs and vitamins. Dosages are not standardized at all. Ginseng, garlic, cinnamon, echinacea, yohimbe bark, all sorts of herbs have no real agreed-upon dosage. We’re told by hippies and hardcore conservatives who live with conspiracy theories about doctor cabals how great cinnamon is. A blessed miracle! But the overwhelming amount of cinnamon supplements are cassia-based. Ceylon cinnamon is safe in modest doses, but almost all cinnamon in drug stores and on shelves at Costco or Rite Aid are cassia. It can be dangerous stuff.

A lot of folks take huge doses of vitamins that have long term negative effects on kidneys, liver, etc. it’s interesting that nobody is concerned about herbal and vitamin misuse, which is rampant, but the Covid vaccine is certain death?

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gurneyhalleck1 said:

My wife says this is just not grounded in reality. Herbs and honey and vitamin D do not protect against this nasty virus. This holistic backwoods hippie stuff isn’t grounded in research or real medicine. It’s wishful thinking. My wife has seen hordes of patients who tried this Herbalife mindset taking vitamins, and when they catch Covid, they’re on their knees like they’re in hell. Vaccination isn’t fool-proof, but it definitely goes far beyond taking the edge off, it limits the scope, damage, and extent to which the virus works in the body. Our local hospitals are showing vaxxed patients who were infected recovering in triple the time. The folks on ventilators are almost exclusively a hot mess from home remedies and Dr. Google. All day my wife hears one odd crackpot remedy after another. She comes home with the wildest stories. Patients are afraid of a simple protein spike, but they’ll risk crossing the Mexican border to get horse deworming nonsense, then OD on it. Playing doctor…..a risky proposition.

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FenderTL5 said:

Do you know, with certainty, that Ivermectin was never tested using HEK293 fetal cells?

If you knew/know that it was, would your promotion of this drug change?

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Aside: a local media celebrity Phil Valentine advocated this drug. He was taking it when he died from COVID-19 on August 21st.

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gurneyhalleck1 said:

My wife says this is just not grounded in reality. Herbs and honey and vitamin D do not protect against this nasty virus. This holistic backwoods hippie stuff isn’t grounded in research or real medicine. It’s wishful thinking. My wife has seen hordes of patients who tried this Herbalife mindset taking vitamins, and when they catch Covid, they’re on their knees like they’re in hell. Vaccination isn’t fool-proof, but it definitely goes far beyond taking the edge off, it limits the scope, damage, and extent to which the virus works in the body. Our local hospitals are showing vaxxed patients who were infected recovering in triple the time. The folks on ventilators are almost exclusively a hot mess from home remedies and Dr. Google. All day my wife hears one odd crackpot remedy after another. She comes home with the wildest stories. Patients are afraid of a simple protein spike, but they’ll risk crossing the Mexican border to get horse deworming nonsense, then OD on it. Playing doctor…..a risky proposition.

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Dorothea said:

I don't even feel like making the effort to answer you gurney, because your response is pretty offensive to me. There's nothing wrong with trying to eat and exercise and live a more healthy lifestyle. That's all I've got to say with regard to your over the top response.

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truefiction1 said:

The following is excerpted from an encyclical from the Holy Synod of the Orthodox Church in
America, published and distributed in 2001.

"We cannot, however, condone the manipulation of embryonic cells in any form for research purposes, including lines developed from destroyed embryos. Rather, we can only express dismay at the fact that the debate over this issue has avoided major considerations regarding the very meaning and value of human life.

President Bush’s proposal to use only the existing sixty lines of stem cells ( 2 ) because the embryos had already been destroyed (i.e., killed) falters on the precept enunciated by the apostle Paul in Romans 3:8, “We may not do evil so that good may come.” The very act of destroying those embryos is evil, and we may not profit from evil even to achieve a good and noble end."*

*emphasis of this statement is mine.

Holy Synod - Encyclicals - Embryonic Stem Cell Research in the Perspective of Orthodox Christianity
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Twenty years has passed and now, we're being told by a majority of Christian clerics/authorities, that a global pandemic is grounds for profiting from evil to achieve a good and noble end (i.e. to alleviate sickness, suffering, and save lives). Isn't this new declaration a glaring contradiction to what the Church leaders were trying to convince us of just 20 years ago, which is that it is better that we all give up our lives in this world and to bear great suffering than to not keep God's commandments? Wouldn't it be better to continue to insist that it is a sin, and the result of spiritual weakness, to receive these vaccines, whether to save your job, your life, or even the lives of others, than to allow people to be deceived, either by themselves or others, into thinking that there is no taking on of the guilt of the murdered child's blood if we knowingly take any worldly benefit from this evil which was done, and which continues to be done to this day?

I think that God is testing us to give us a chance to consider whether it is really Him that we love, or our lives in this world that we love. I have every perfect reason to believe this, because I have listened very carefully to His own words in the Holy Scriptures and it is clear that in every moment of our lives we must choose either Him or the world, or that we will either serve Him or Mammon, but not both. There is such great a distance between us and the Truth now; so much darkness that even the elect may be deceived if that was possible. When the holy elders/seers were speaking or writing about their Spirit informed visions of the last days, they were pointing to these very days of ours. When Christ told us about these days He let us know that most people will see the times as normal and ordinary, when in fact they are extraordinary, because of the extraordinary evil of the world in those last days.

Now, as ever, is the time for unbridled repentance and praying without ceasing. It is the time to wage violent spiritual warfare inside our hearts, keeping all of God's holy commandments in accordance with His Word, so that God will come and dwell in them, bringing His Light, so that we will be able to see clearly what is happening and why. Some of us may take such sayings as mine here as being far too serious; fanatical even. But have we been paying attention to Christ's own sayings lately, to see how these compare to what I've just said? Are we reading our Bibles and living what we read?

Soap box session is now ended. Carry on.

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prodromos said:

I assume that he is still not getting any sleep, which won't be helping his judgement.

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FenderTL5 said:

youth, yeah I'm sure that's it.
I'd be willing to bet I have 8track tapes older than some on these here forums.

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Antoni said:

Thank God the Holy Trinity that my religious exemption was approved. I was already making plans to leave for another state if it didn’t.

The hospitals are full right now, more full than I have ever seen them this time of year. Usually late summer is the quietest time and here we have been at capacity.

And it’s NOT Covid positive patients that are driving this volume. It is patients with strokes, heart attacks, cancers, and other serious conditions. Go ask someone who works in an ED what the wait times have been to see a doctor and the length of stays of those boarding in the ED. It’s a national crisis.

The only difference from this year compared to my other many years as a doctor is that there is a high rate of ‘vaccinated’ people in the community. Does correlation mean causation? No, it doesn’t. But it sure can suggest it.

if it comes true what many experts (who are being silenced and censored) are warning about, Biden may have been right for once in his presidency. It is going to be a dark winter. May the Panagia cover us and protect us from what may come, and may God have mercy on us all.

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Dorothea said:

I guess other experts don't count if they don't line up with what you believe is the right answer to this mess.

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prodromos said:

I only mentioned the use of fetal cells in regard to our Archbishop who is supposedly an expert in bioethics.

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prodromos said:

My own archbishop is supposedly an expert in bioethics, yet he took the vaccine despite all of them being tested on foetal cell lines taken from aborted children..

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I suspect that there are very few modern drugs which aren't tested on aborted foetal cell lines these days.

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Unfortunately he did not receive the treatment until the viral infection had already advanced.

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I find your response to the news that India is having huge success with cheap, well established and proven safe medications while the rest of the world using expensive, experimental and sometimes deadly medication is failing to bring the disease under control, very strange to say the least.

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Dorothea said:

"deworming nonsense". Boy, you've really fallen for this ridiculous narrative. Ivermectin is used for both animals and humans, and they aren't the same medicine. For someone who seems to know so much, you sound like you know so little, other than throwing out mainstream media blather, using those words and conspiracy theorists. I guess other experts don't count if they don't line up with what you believe is the right answer to this mess.

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rusmeister said:

My wife threw out my LP collection a decade ago when we moved, to my great consternation. I got over it, but... (insert wry grin smilie here)
Well, I did say it was not only youth, though it is true that it is youth that is most likely to be in that state of health that needs no care and dismisses a need for it. Some people are very fortunate in that regard, and it is also possible to take that fortune for granted. In any event, for most people, including myself, it is not at all a good thing that one feels one effectively can't be seen for care of other-than-covid because of the excessive re-orientation of all medical care to deal with it, as if it were the only human ill in existence.

And I would iterate what I hold to be the main thing we ought to keep firmly in our heads - that we ought to recognize that those who disagree with us about the nature of and proper reaction to covid are not crazy or stupid. They believe what they believe because they proceed from experience different from ours, and facts and data that either we don't believe, or think of lesser import. It becomes much easier to be charitable to each other when we realize that.

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FenderTL5 said:

Wrong. He was adamant that he was too strong, healthy and naturally immune to COVID (I can dig up actual quotes if necessary) at least in-part because of his use of Ivermectin prior to becoming ill, while still on-the-air every day. According to his brother, that tune changed prior to his death.

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You've seemingly tried, and somewhat successfully I may add, to position yourself in this thread as the know-it-all expert on everything vaccine/therapeutic for COVID.

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Knowing that quite a few in this thread have reservations to the vaccine(s) based on the HEK testing, you failed to mention that both of the drugs you advocate (Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine) were also tested using fetal cell lines taken from aborted children.
I was trying to discern whether that omission was from ignorance or something other.
Your response indicates it's the something other.

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