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Reformed Theology?

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Avoid the Methodists.
why is that? I never actually attended a Methodist church but i was their Church Secretary for 3 yrs and their Youth Leader for 2 yrs (they tend to hire from outside their church). I spent alot of time with the Pastor and also read up alot on Methodists and they seem like a mainline Protestant church to me and similiar in many ways to Lutherans. I would be interested to know what you see as the differences. thanks.:)
 
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yes i know the Methodists are Arminian. Why is that so bad? What is the soteriology of the Lutherans?

We aren't "any" labeled soteriology. What we are is clearly defined in the Book of Concord.

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The primary differences between Lutheranism and "classical" Methodism rooted in the theology of John Wesley center in Wesley's doctrine of salvation. Wesley taught, contrary to Lutheran theology, that 1) man is free not only to reject salvation but also to accept it (free salvation) by an act of human will; 2) all people who are obedient to the Gospel according to the measure of knowledge given them will be saved (universal salvation); 3) the Holy Spirit assures man of his salvation directly, through an inner "experience" (sure salvation); 4) Christians in this life are capable of Christian perfection and are commanded by God to pursue it (full salvation). Wesley also held to a "symbolic" view of the sacraments in contrast to the Lutheran view of the sacraments as real and powerful means of grace.
 
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Augsburg Confession, Article IV: Of Justification.

1] Also they teach that men cannot be justified before God by their own strength, merits, or works, but are freely justified for 2] Christ's sake, through faith, when they believe that they are received into favor, and that their sins are forgiven for Christ's sake, who, by His death, has made satisfaction for our sins. 3] This faith God imputes for righteousness in His sight. Rom. 3 and 4.


Smalcald Articles, Part III, Article XIII. How One is Justified before God, and of Good Works.

1] What I have hitherto and constantly taught concerning this I know not how to change in the least, namely, that by faith, as St. Peter says, we acquire a new and clean heart, and God will and does account us entirely righteous and holy for the sake of Christ, our Mediator. And although sin in the flesh has not yet been altogether removed or become dead, yet He will not punish or remember it.
2] And such faith, renewal, and forgiveness of sins is followed by good works. And what there is still sinful or imperfect also in them shall not be accounted as sin or defect, even [and that, too] for Christ's sake; but the entire man, both as to his person and his works, is to be called and to be righteous and holy from pure grace and mercy, shed upon us [unfolded] and spread over us in Christ. 3] Therefore we cannot boast of many merits and works, if they are viewed apart from grace and mercy, but as it is written, 1 Cor. 1:31: He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord, namely, that he has a gracious God. For thus all is well. 4] We say, besides, that if good works do not follow, faith is false and not true.

More here: Defense of the Augsburg Confession - Book of Concord


If you really want to get a good grip on what Lutherans have historically believed, taught and confessed, I would highly recommend that you read the Augsburg Confession. It's not hard to understand and you can probably get through it in about ten to fifteen minutes.
 
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If I were allowed to offer what I would consider the fundamental issue with Methodism, it is the Wesleyan Quadrilateral. Essentially it states that Reason, Experience, Scripture, and Tradition all possess the same level of authority. Lutherans believe in Sola Scriptura principle of authority, that is, the Bible is the source and norm for faith and doctrine. Reason, Experience, and Tradition are good but are not the grounds for our faith and never have more or the same authority as scripture.
 
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As to Reformed Theology, the most common marker for that today is the 5-points of the canons of Dort-often abreviated TULIP (Total depravity, Unconditional election, Limited atonement, Irresistible grace, and Perseverance of the saints). *as a point of note, Lutherans agree with only 1.5 of the 5 points (we meet them halfway on election). Many less conservative reformed groups also shy away from double election.

Whereas Lutheran theology holds Justification by faith as it's central doctrine Reformed theology typically begins with Sovereignty of God.
Preaching in Reformed tradition is typically much more law-centered (since one does not preach the gospel message regularly because salvation is by election not the external word) and focused on how to live an obedient life (3rd use of the Law).
 
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