Reformed/Calvinist ONLY!

[redleghunter]

The same Gospel which was preached to Adam and Abraham is the same Gospel that Paul, Peter and all His called preachers do even today.

Indeed. Hebrews is packed with doctrine and what you posted above is a key teaching.

 

[DeaconDean]

I have no doubt that you have read both Gill and pink on the covenants. Do you disagree with them?

I know that Gill and Pink fault Dispensationalists because they separate the Jew from the Gentile.

And that Dispensationalists speak of God's plan for the Jews being put on "hold" until after Christ's first return.

Like I have said before, I'm not as "hard core" as most.

I see the Age of Grace as being for both Jew and Gentile.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[DeaconDean]

Paul says in Gal. 1 that those who preach any other Gospel than what he preached let them be accursed.

Therein, is a point for MAD's.

Paul was the first to preach, and teach the new "Gospel", that had been a mystery previously.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[DeaconDean]

Here is something I was told yesterday that to be honest, both shocked, scared, and amused me.

Speaking on those who arose after Jesus' resurrection, those "saints" are:

In Mt 27:52-53, it says the BODIES arose, came out the graves, and went into the city. They were never alive. Think Zombies."

I am really beginning to hate the Mid-Acts Dispensationalists!

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[JustAsIam77]

The same Gospel which was preached to Adam and Abraham is the same Gospel that Paul, Peter and all His called preachers do even today.

Please clarify, did not Paul reveal a mystery to the Gentiles which had not been known before?
Thank you.

 

[twin1954]

Please clarify, did not Paul reveal a mystery to the Gentiles which had not been known before?
Thank you.

It was not understood before but was revealed in the person and work of Christ. The first promise of Christ is found in Gen. 3:15

 

[JustAsIam77]

It was not understood before but was revealed in the person and work of Christ. The first promise of Christ is found in Gen. 3:15

Thank you brother. Another question, was the dispensation of the grace of God mentioned before Paul?

 

[twin1954]

Thank you brother. Another question, was the dispensation of the grace of God mentioned before Paul?

Certainly, Noah found grace as well as the Gospel being preached to Abraham. Paul clearly tells us in Gal. of the allegory of the bondwoman and the free. The "dispensation of grace" was from before the foundation of the world. You can clearly pick out the hand of God in grace throughout the Old Testament.

Since my laptop died I am unable to post the passages so you will have to bear with me.

 

[Lady Bug]

I have heard of this (Mid-Acts dispensationalism). The moment I discovered it, I recoiled in disgust. I hate sounding harsh, but I can hardly even bring myself to call them Christians. Why call them Christians if the words of Christ don't even apply to those who are calling themselves Christians?

 

[DeaconDean]

I have heard of this (Mid-Acts dispensationalism). The moment I discovered it, I recoiled in disgust. I hate sounding harsh, but I can hardly even bring myself to call them Christians. Why call them Christians if the words of Christ don't even apply to those who are calling themselves Christians?

I have to agree.

It staggers the mind.

Perhaps you also read the part where the saints in Mt. 27:52 where I was told these "saints" were: "Think Zombies".

That both shocked and scared me.

To mock the scriptures and say God resurrected "zombies".

It is indeed a sad state of the church, if this is being propagated today.

It is no wonder that the Church is in almost an "apostate" state.

All that comes to mind is "Welcome to the Church of Laodicea".

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[Lady Bug]

I was very apprehensive of what the reaction to my comment would be, but I'm somewhat relieved now, lol.

I was watching a video of a MAD probably a few months back but didn't know he was a MAD because I had never heard of the ideology at that time. He started saying things like how the Gospels were only for the Jews and how if you try to quote Jesus' teachings, you're quoting heresy. I was like WHAT?!?!?!?!

 

[DeaconDean]

I was very apprehensive of what the reaction to my comment would be, but I'm somewhat relieved now, lol.

I was watching a video of a MAD probably a few months back but didn't know he was a MAD because I had never heard of the ideology at that time. He started saying things like how the Gospels were only for the Jews and how if you try to quote Jesus' teachings, you're quoting heresy. I was like WHAT?!?!?!?!

A clear distinction between Israel and Gentiles, is probably one feature that "Dispensationalism" is most famous for. This age now, the age of Grace, according to "modern dispensationalists" is the age of the Gentiles. And that can be seen very very clearly in the area you visited.

I'm not sure if your aware of it, most people regard John Hagee highly.

But if you would do some research, he is also one of them.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[Lady Bug]

A clear distinction between Israel and Gentiles, is probably one feature that "Dispensationalism" is most famous for. This age now, the age of Grace, according to "modern dispensationalists" is the age of the Gentiles. And that can be seen very very clearly in the area you visited.

I'm not sure if your aware of it, most people regard John Hagee highly.

But if you would do some research, he is also one of them.

God Bless

Till all are one.

Doesn't it say in Galatians that Gentile believers are grafted into the olive tree alongside the Jewish believers and that we all inherit the promise together?

 

[DeaconDean]

Doesn't it say in Galatians that Gentile believers are grafted into the olive tree alongside the Jewish believers and that we all inherit the promise together?

Yes it does.

However, hard-core dispensationalists, see this age totally different.

While it is the "Age of Grace" and all who are saved become "spiritual Israel", hard-core dispensationalists see all the OT promises as being fulfill to "Israel" (corporate) during the millennium.

Corporate Israel vs. "Spiritual Israel"

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[twin1954]

Doesn't it say in Galatians that Gentile believers are grafted into the olive tree alongside the Jewish believers and that we all inherit the promise together?

The opposite of Dispensational theology is Covenant theology. Thre are two types: Presbyterian Covenant theology by which they a rive at infant baptism and Baptist Covenant theology which is what I subcribe to. I would suggest that you read Arthur Pink on the Covenants. He can be easily found and read online. Also go to freegraceradio.com for a group of outstanding preachers who will point you to Christ in all of the Scriptures. I would give you links but I haven't figured out how on my iPad. My laptop died.

 

[JM]

The opposite of Dispensational theology is Covenant theology. Thre are two types: Presbyterian Covenant theology by which they a rive at infant baptism and Baptist Covenant theology which is what I subcribe to. I would suggest that you read Arthur Pink on the Covenants. He can be easily found and read online. Also go to freegraceradio.com for a group of outstanding preachers who will point you to Christ in all of the Scriptures. I would give you links but I haven't figured out how on my iPad. My laptop died.

I second all of that.

Baptist Federalism makes a lot of sense:

1) addresses all of the covenants of scripture
2) deals with the "already/not yet" tension revealed in holy scripture
3) allows for continuity
4) also allows for discontinuity when needed - new revelation to addresses the old
5) makes sense of the often Law and Gospel dichotomy found in modern evangelical churches

That's just a few. May I suggest Nehemiah Coxe and John Owen's work on the subject? It's titled "Covenant Theology: From Adam to Christ."

Yours in the Lord,

jay to tha ehm

 

[St. Helens]

Here is something I was told yesterday that to be honest, both shocked, scared, and amused me.

Speaking on those who arose after Jesus' resurrection, those "saints" are:



I am really beginning to hate the Mid-Acts Dispensationalists!

God Bless

Till all are one.

I have been pretty annoyed with this type of dispensationalism lately. They toss out the four gospels and replace Jesus with Paul. This should be placed in the Controversial Theology section. They also fight among themselves.

The sorriest thing about these people is that they run after conspiracy theories. The founder of Mid Acts Dispensationalism--E.W. Bullinger, not to be confused with Heinrich Bullinger, subscribed to FE. He was a member of the Universal Zetetic Society, an FE organization. Now the Hyperdispenationalists of today are following his example by becoming flat earthers. I am left disgusted. There is something wrong with in ideology when it requires you to leave your mind in neutral.

In general Dispensationalism really does not add up with scripture. I see them ignoring parts of the bible. I have had unpleasant experiences with this brand of Christianity during my younger years.

Dispensationalists have a tendency to turn toward conspiracy theories. I have seen Dispensationalists even bring these theories into the church. One even did a whole talk about the big computer in Brussels. The year was 1978 when he did that talk. This kind of behavior biased me against dispensationalism early on.

Reformed Baptist would probably be your best bet if you want to get away from the dispensationalism.

 

[DeaconDean]

I have been pretty annoyed with this type of dispensationalism lately. They toss out the four gospels and replace Jesus with Paul. This should be placed in the Controversial Theology section. They also fight among themselves.

The sorriest thing about these people is that they run after conspiracy theories. The founder of Mid Acts Dispensationalism--E.W. Bullinger, not to be confused with Heinrich Bullinger, subscribed to FE. He was a member of the Universal Zetetic Society, an FE organization. Now the Hyperdispenationalists of today are following his example are becoming flat earthers. I am left disgusted. There is something wrong with in ideology when it requires you to leave your mind in neutral.

In general Dispensationalism really does not add up with scripture. I see them ignoring parts of the bible. I have had unpleasant experiences with this brand of Christianity during my younger years.

Dispensationalists have a tendency to turn toward conspiracy theories. I have seen Dispensationalists even bring these theories into the church. One even did a whole talk about the big computer in Brussels. The year was 1978 when he did that talk. This kind of behavior biased me against dispensationalism early on.

Reformed Baptist would probably be your best bet if you want to get away from the dispensationalism.

Wanna hear something funny?

I am a "Dispensationalist".

But, in saying that, I will qualify it by saying I do not agree with everything "Dispensationalism" teaches.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[Lady Bug]

Wanna hear something funny?

I am a "Dispensationalist".

But, in saying that, I will qualify it by saying I do not agree with everything "Dispensationalism" teaches.

God Bless

Till all are one.

What is a Covenant Theologist supposed to believe about the modern state of Israel? I've seen these claims of how it's not supposed to exist, that it's a Zionist creation, but is there anywhere in the Bible that talks about a counterfeit state of Israel being created? I don't think so. Mind you I am not done reading the OT by a longshot.

Can a Covenant Theologian believe that the modern state of Israel is a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy yet maintain that believers in Christ alone are heirs to the "promise"? Is the promise that land anymore, or is it supplanted by "eternal life" of the New Covenant?

disclaimer lol: I didn't read the rest of the comments before I made this one, so I might have missed something.

 

[JM]

What is a Covenant Theologist supposed to believe about the modern state of Israel? I've seen these claims of how it's not supposed to exist, that it's a Zionist creation, but is there anywhere in the Bible that talks about a counterfeit state of Israel being created? I don't think so. Mind you I am not done reading the OT by a longshot.

Can a Covenant Theologian believe that the modern state of Israel is a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy yet maintain that believers in Christ alone are heirs to the "promise"? Is the promise that land anymore, or is it supplanted by "eternal life" of the New Covenant?

disclaimer lol: I didn't read the rest of the comments before I made this one, so I might have missed something.

If someone is consistently applying covenant theology to all of scripture than one would realize there is no future piece of land set aside for a physical Israel. Jesus is the True Israel. We are grafted into Him (Gal. 3 the seed is Christ) and have all the heavenly benefits now, and future benefits to come. This doesn't exclude the incoming of converts from ethnic Israel in the future it only points out that we are 'heirs according to the promise' if we are in Christ, the True Israel of God.

Yours in the Lord,

jm