Reformation

[Reformationist]

Originally posted by s0uljah
There are many interpretations of God's word, thanks to the Protestants. Which one of them is "God's" will?

Let me be clear.  NOTHING HAPPENS OUTSIDE OF THE WILL OF GOD.  If you mean "which one is accurate" I would have to ask why would you ask that?  You won't agree with me.  I could tell you which interpretation I don't think is accurate but I don't think you need me to.

God bless

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Its interesting that you think the sins of the world are God's will, even though He is Holy and hates sin, and can't be around it. Not to mention that your ideas would mean He creates most of us just to torment them for all eternity.

And your view of God is loving, how?

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Originally posted by Reformationist
Because the RCC of today isn't the church that Christ established.  Simple.

You admit it was His Church at one time. Jesus said the Gates of Hell wouldn't overcome His Church, so how did the Reformation, overcome it?

 

[Reformationist]

Originally posted by s0uljah
Its interesting that you think the sins of the world are God's will, even though He is Holy and hates sin, and can't be around it. Not to mention that your ideas would mean He creates most of us just to torment them for all eternity.

And your view of God is loving, how?

Yeah.  That's what I think.  s0uljah, you don't even know everything about your own beliefs.  Why would you be so arrogant as to assume you understand my beliefs.  I tell ya, if you spent half as much time studying the word as you do mudslinging against the reformation, of which you had been a part of until just recently, you might understand God's Word and His sovereignty a bit better.

God bless

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Originally posted by Reformationist
Yeah.  That's what I think.  s0uljah, you don't even know everything about your own beliefs.  Why would you be so arrogant as to assume you understand my beliefs.  I tell ya, if you spent half as much time studying the word as you do mudslinging against the reformation, of which you had been a part of until just recently, you might understand God's Word and His sovereignty a bit better.

God bless

Heh, we now see Reformationist reduced to ad hominem attacks, since his stance is illogical. Then, we see "God Bless" tacked to the end of it.

 

[Reformationist]

Originally posted by s0uljah
You admit it was His Church at one time. Jesus said the Gates of Hell wouldn't overcome His Church, so how did the Reformation, overcome it?

What I admit is what I've always said.  The RCC church is not the church Christ established.  His church still stands, as will it always.  It is the church of His body of believers.

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Ok, bro, I respect your right to an opinion, and will leave it there.

P.S. You said "the RCC of today is not the Church He established"

of today...so it was at one time...

 

[Reformationist]

Originally posted by s0uljah
Heh, we now see Reformationist reduced to ad hominem attacks, since his stance is illogical. Then, we see "God Bless" tacked to the end of it.

Geez...you caught me.  You're so smart s0uljah.  Why didn't I see that my stance is illogical.  Why didn't Luther, Calvin, Knox, and so many other great theologians see that their stance is illogical and you, s0uljah, have, in mere months, had this revealed to you.  Maybe there should be a statue of you somewhere.

And I write God bless because, despite how infantile I can act sometimes, I truly hope that God blesses me with the ability to be more mature and act in a more loving way and that the eyes of others would be opened to the truth.

God bless

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

If you want to put a statue to me, you can, but its not me that is speaking against this obvious illogical stance, IMHO. I dont think I am that smart, so it must be God working through me, huh?

 

[Reformationist]

Originally posted by s0uljah
P.S. You said "the RCC of today is not the Church He established"

of today...so it was at one time...

I think the church you are a member of is not the church that Christ established.  I also do not think that "the Church" Christ established was a denomination.  It was a body of believers.  I believe some of the people in many various denominations are elected by the grace of God unto salvation, to include the RCC.

God bless

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Thats right, the Catholic Church isn't a denomination. Bingo! Denominations came much later. Catholic means Universal, as in, the entire "body of believers."

 

[Reformationist]

Originally posted by s0uljah
If you want to put a statue to me, you can, but its not me that is speaking against this obvious illogical stance, IMHO. I dont think I am that smart, so it must be God working through me, huh?

Well, I can't say that I think God is using your words to show me the truth about interpretation but it's pretty obvious He's using you to show me how easily I rely on my own methods, which are useless, to make a point.  He is also using you to show me how sinfully I'm able to respond.  So, I'm sorry about all that.  Please forgive me.

God bless

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Nothing to forgive brother! I knew full well that I would provoke you, despite my attempts to not do that. So in a way, its my fault, not yours.

Its all good my friend!

But you still wrong, lol.

 

[Reformationist]

Originally posted by s0uljah
Thats right, the Catholic Church isn't a denomination. Bingo! Denominations came much later. Catholic means Universal, as in, the entire "body of believers."

Right.  And in that sense I do believe the Catholic (not your church) church is God's church.  I just don't think your denomination accurately implements, or interprets, God's Word.  Then again, that makes sense that I feel that way.  I'm not Catholic.

God bless

 

[Reformationist]

Originally posted by s0uljah
Nothing to forgive brother! I knew full well that I would provoke you, despite my attempts to not do that.

Its all good my friend!

But you still wrong, lol.

Thanks.  Well, it certainly won't be the last time I'm wrong.

God bless

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Well, Roman wasn't even tacked on to it, until recently. Before the Great Schism around 1000 AD, it was just Catholic, and the other churches always defaulted to the one in Rome.

Today, we (Catholics) refer to ourselves as Catholic, but you will see RCC as well, since it is so widely used.

 

[Reformationist]

Originally posted by s0uljah
Well, Roman wasn't even tacked on to it, until recently. Before the Great Schism around 1000 AD, it was just Catholic, and the other churches always defaulted to the one in Rome.

Today, we (Catholics) refer to ourselves as Catholic, but you will see RCC as well, since it is so widely used.

I just think a lot of confusion comes about (not blaming your denomination) due to the word "Catholic."  It's similar to when I vehemently protest the use of the words "free will" when most people only use that phrase to describe our ability to make choices.  I use it in an entirely different way that includes views about depravity and sovereignty, the fallen sinfulness of man and the regenerative substitutionary efficacious death of Christ.

God bless

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

regenerative substitutionary efficacious

Owww...my head.

 

[Reformationist]

Originally posted by s0uljah
Owww...my head.

I'm not sure what any of those words really mean.  Just kidding.

 

[Caedmon]

Ok then... why are we all split up like this? I can't stand there being so many different churches. Which one is right? This is really depressing. Who can I trust? Which denomination is true?

Did Luther and the other reformers intend for there to be so many groups? This is really annoying. I will never have enough time to examine every single denomination out there to see who's right and who's wrong. I'm feeling pretty flabbergasted about this. This is really hurting my heart. I just wish it would all go away, that there wouldn't be so much confusion and uncertainty. Again, why is it like this? Why would God let his church be split so many different ways?