redefining the headcover

[ZiSunka]

I am saying that the cover is a clear scriptural teaching. Each person will be held accountable to God for the commands he has given that we choose to reject.

My point is that we can not pick and choose which scriptural teachings are salvation issues and which are not unless the scripture teaches them that way. For instance, we are told not to judge or be judged on holy days, food, and Sabaths. We live in a society that likes to raise personal preference above scriptural teaching. Bring up the issue of wedding rings and see how quick the conversation starts spinning.

Do you think that Christians must obey the Laws of Moses?

 

[Danfrey]

Do you think that Christians must obey the Laws of Moses?

The headcover is not part of the law. The headcover is a New Testament teaching. We are no longer under the law of Moses, but that does not relieve us from the responsibility to obey scripture. Jesus told us to go into all the world making disciples of men and teaching them to obey all the things he commanded them

 

[ZiSunka]

The headcover is not part of the law. The headcover is a New Testament teaching. We are no longer under the law of Moses, but that does not relieve us from the responsibility to obey scripture. Jesus told us to go into all the world making disciples of men and teaching them to obey all the things he commanded them

Jesus didn't command the headcovering, Paul did.

 

[theAmishGirl]

Do you think that Christians must obey the Laws of Moses?

I agree Danfrey in the part that we should not pick and choose commandments. Everyone makes a big deal about the ten commandments, but there are also a lot of commandments in Leviticus and many other books that people ignore. We shouldn't do that.

but the Bible states that salvation is through faith and while we are accountable for the deeds which we have done and/or not done on this earth, I do not, will not, and have never believed that it is a salvation issue when we disobey a commandment. If that is true, then everytime you have a hateful or spiteful thought, you lose your salvation!

 

[Danfrey]

I agree Danfrey in the part that we should not pick and choose commandments. Everyone makes a big deal about the ten commandments, but there are also a lot of commandments in Leviticus and many other books that people ignore. We shouldn't do that.

but the Bible states that salvation is through faith and while we are accountable for the deeds which we have done and/or not done on this earth, I do not, will not, and have never believed that it is a salvation issue when we disobey a commandment. If that is true, then everytime you have a hateful or spiteful thought, you lose your salvation!

If we continue in sin without repentance, how can we not lose our salvation?

 

[Danfrey]

Jesus didn't command the headcovering, Paul did.

So, are you saying that Paul's letters are not authoritive? If this is the case, I will drop this conversation because we no longer have common ground on which to discuss it.

 

[ZiSunka]

I agree Danfrey in the part that we should not pick and choose commandments. Everyone makes a big deal about the ten commandments, but there are also a lot of commandments in Leviticus and many other books that people ignore. We shouldn't do that.

Like the commandment to stone homosexuals and adulterers to death?

but the Bible states that salvation is through faith and while we are accountable for the deeds which we have done and/or not done on this earth, I do not, will not, and have never believed that it is a salvation issue when we disobey a commandment. If that is true, then everytime you have a hateful or spiteful thought, you lose your salvation!

Very good. When the love and kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of the righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life. Titus 3:4-7

Whether we cover our heads or not, it doesn't affect or effect our salvation. He saved us because of what HE did, not because of what WE do.

 

[ZiSunka]

So, are you saying that Paul's letters are not authoritive? If this is the case, I will drop this conversation because we no longer have common ground on which to discuss it.

No, that's not what I am saying. You said we need to cover so we will obey the teachings of Jesus, but Jesus was silent on headcoverings. It was Paul who mentioned headcoverings, not Jesus.

 

[ZiSunka]

If we continue in sin without repentance, how can we not lose our salvation?

I guess if we earned our salvation, I would agree with this, but because salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, and even that faith is a gift of God, lest we be boastful about how great we are that we have faith, then how can we lose our salvation. Is God an indiangiver?

 

[Danfrey]

No, that's not what I am saying. You said we need to cover so we will obey the teachings of Jesus, but Jesus was silent on headcoverings. It was Paul who mentioned headcoverings, not Jesus.

I would consider all the teachings of the New Testament to be the teachings of Christ, not just the Jesus of that walked in the flesh but the Jesus whom is God, who through the holy spirit gave men the New Testament so that we could learn to follow his teachings. If they were not, the New Testament would be of no use.

 

[ZiSunka]

I would consider all the teachings of the New Testament to be the teachings of Christ, not just the Jesus of that walked in the flesh but the Jesus whom is God, who through the holy spirit gave men the New Testament so that we could learn to follow his teachings. If they were not, the New Testament would be of no use.

Perhaps. But it was not Jesus who commanded headcoverings. I wanted you to be accurate about who said what.

 

[MrJim]

Apostolic writing is authoritative...even if it's not written in red

 

[ZiSunka]

Apostolic writing is authoritative...even if it's not written in red

Never said it wasn't. Go back and read what I wrote one more time. My comment wasn't that Paul has less authority, but that Dan misquoted, claiming Jesus said those words when it was really Paul.

 

[MrJim]

Never said it wasn't. Go back and read what I wrote one more time. My comment wasn't that Paul has less authority, but that Dan misquoted, claiming Jesus said those words when it was really Paul.

I missed a page

 

[Danfrey]

Actually, Daniel is very aware of who's words are written in 1 Cor 11, but as I said before. The whole New Testament are the words of Christ.

 

[ZiSunka]

Actually, Daniel is very aware of who's words are written in 1 Cor 11, but as I said before. The whole New Testament are the words of Christ.

 

[Danfrey]

Daniel = Danfrey

 

[ZiSunka]

Daniel = Danfrey

Yes, I know.

 

[AmishBoy]

lol sorry but I really have to have a laugh about the last like 8 posts.

 

[ZiSunka]

They are pretty funny!