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Red Fox · Feb 9, 2015

One of my NDN friends on Facebook started this petition. It is a petition to Facebook to allow Native Americans to use their Native names on their profiles. I have already signed it, but I'm not holding my breath that Facebook will listen to our voice. My friend said that at least our voice will be heard.

Facebook: To Allow Native Americans to use their Native names on their profiles.

When I first joined Facebook, I tried to write my first and last name in Cherokee, but I was told that it wasn't allowed, because it wasn't a real name. So, I wrote my name in English instead. Of course, it's a real name, it's my name. It was very frustrating for me to say the least.

LoAmmi · Feb 9, 2015

Red Fox said:
One of my NDN friends on Facebook started this petition. It is a petition to Facebook to allow Native Americans to use their Native names on their profiles. I have already signed it, but I'm not holding my breath that Facebook will listen to our voice. My friend said that at least our voice will be heard.

Facebook: To Allow Native Americans to use their Native names on their profiles.

When I first joined Facebook, I tried to write my first and last name in Cherokee, but I was told that it wasn't allowed, because it wasn't a real name. So, I wrote my name in English instead. Of course, it's a real name, it's my name. It was very frustrating for me to say the least.

I hope they let you guys do that. It seems like that shouldn't be a problem. My Hebrew name is Nechemya or נְחֶמְיָה but Jews go by their non-Hebrew name most of the time.

Red Fox · Feb 9, 2015

LoAmmi said:
Our two people could probably compare notes over treatment from Europeans

Yeah, no kidding.

LoAmmi said:
I would say though it's important not to overly generalize. It veers into prejudice to judge people for the actions of their ancestors.

You should have heard some of the things I've been told what NDNs do over the years by people who aren't NDN.

LoAmmi · Feb 9, 2015

A member of my extended family, I'm not sure of the relationship but it isn't immediate, is a Cherokee and accepted by the tribe from what I've been told. At a gathering I attended, she sang Amazing Grace in Cherokee.

Red Fox · Feb 9, 2015

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqkpYgvIBtU

Cute Tink · Feb 9, 2015

Just dropping in to say hi. Sorry you have had a rough time with people who feel it is their place to nitpick your relationship with Jesus.

Red Fox · Feb 9, 2015

Cute Tink said:
Just dropping in to say hi. Sorry you have had a rough time with people who feel it is their place to nitpick your relationship with Jesus.

O'siyo my friend, and welcome to my Talking Circle. I'm honored to have you here, my friend. And thank you for your sentiment. I really appreciate it.

LoAmmi · Feb 9, 2015

Cute Tink said:
Just dropping in to say hi. Sorry you have had a rough time with people who feel it is their place to nitpick your relationship with Jesus.

People shouldn't do that for sure. My wife had to deal with a lot of stuff going up including actually being called "Christ-killer" by some of her classmates. It's not something she forgets easily.

Cute Tink · Feb 9, 2015

LoAmmi said:
People shouldn't do that for sure. My wife had to deal with a lot of stuff going up including actually being called "Christ-killer" by some of her classmates. It's not something she forgets easily.

The loving statements that some people make toward others.

Red Fox · Feb 9, 2015

LoAmmi said:
People shouldn't do that for sure. My wife had to deal with a lot of stuff going up including actually being called "Christ-killer" by some of her classmates. It's not something she forgets easily.

That's so awful. I really feel sorry for your wife. I know from personal experience that deep wounds like that do not heal.

Red Fox · Feb 9, 2015

Cute Tink said:
The loving statements that some people make toward others.

And such statements are coming from Christians no doubt. I have been called a savage and a heathen by certain Christians. I've even been called a pagan. And as I said in an earlier post, this abuse and mistreatment toward me has come from Caucasian Protestant Christians. I know this upsets people when I say that, but it's the truth and I can't deny its truth. I have never experienced any hostility or discrimination from Caucasian Catholics or other minority Christians. I have always been accepted and treated with respect by them, not so with the other Protestant Christians. It's a sad truth that I can't ignore.

LoAmmi · Feb 9, 2015

Red Fox said:
And such statements are coming from Christians no doubt. I have been called a savage and a heathen by certain Christians. I've even been called a pagan. And as I said in an earlier post, this abuse and mistreatment toward me has come from Caucasian Protestant Christians. I know this upsets people when I say that, but it's the truth and I can't deny its truth. I have never experienced any hostility or discrimination from Caucasian Catholics or other minority Christians. I have always been accepted and treated with respect by them, not so with the other Protestant Christians. It's a sad truth that I can't ignore.

There are jerks among every group where more than a handful of people exist. I know really nasty Jews who will attack people, it's just that we're a much smaller group so it's harder to find our jerks.

Red Fox · Feb 9, 2015

LoAmmi said:
There are jerks among every group where more than a handful of people exist. I know really nasty Jews who will attack people, it's just that we're a much smaller group so it's harder to find our jerks.

Sadly, I have had my share of confrontations with non-Christian NDNs who have fought with me for being a Christian over the years.

LoAmmi · Feb 9, 2015

Red Fox said:
Sadly, I have had my share of confrontations with non-Christian NDNs who have fought with me for being a Christian over the years.

Honest and open debate is fine, but yeah fighting isn't. I've debated plenty of Christians in my life over Jesus and such but very rarely have I fought. Usually that comes up when someone directly insults me.

Red Fox · Feb 9, 2015

LoAmmi said:
Honest and open debate is fine, but yeah fighting isn't. I've debated plenty of Christians in my life over Jesus and such but very rarely have I fought. Usually that comes up when someone directly insults me.

Unfortunately, many times it was not an honest and open debate. It was a personal attack against my character and NDN identity.

LoAmmi · Feb 9, 2015

Red Fox said:
Unfortunately, many times it was not an honest and open debate. It was a personal attack against my character and NDN identity.

I've seen Jewish people attack other Jews who converted to Christianity. In our faith it actually cuts you off from the community, so while I don't agree with the attacking it is a serious thing.

Cute Tink · Feb 9, 2015

LoAmmi said:
There are jerks among every group where more than a handful of people exist. I know really nasty Jews who will attack people, it's just that we're a much smaller group so it's harder to find our jerks.

Indeed. I know in my tiny minority community there are more than a few jerks. That doesn't mean there aren't plenty of good, wonderful people in the rest of the community that make up for the bad ones.

smaneck · Feb 9, 2015

LoAmmi said:
Shalom.

I basically feel the same way of stories told about Jews. Of course, that means I'm pretty skeptical of the New Testament's description of my people.

In the Synoptic Gospels it is the Pharisees, not Jews in general that are singled out as "the bad guys" even though their beliefs were closest to Christianity. By the time you get to the Gospel of John the Jews as a whole are spoken of in negative terms without any differentiation. This Gospel is written during the period where Christians were being thrown out of synagogues in the Hellenistic world so tensions ran high. I think this is the beginning of Christian antisemitism.

Red Fox · Feb 10, 2015

Good morning, my friends.

LoAmmi · Feb 10, 2015

smaneck said:
In the Synoptic Gospels it is the Pharisees, not Jews in general that are singled out as "the bad guys" even though their beliefs were closest to Christianity. By the time you get to the Gospel of John the Jews as a whole are spoken of in negative terms without any differentiation. This Gospel is written during the period where Christians were being thrown out of synagogues in the Hellenistic world so tensions ran high. I think this is the beginning of Christian antisemitism.

The synoptic attack their current rivals while John attacks the current rivals at the time. It's no surprise.

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