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I cannot think
my eyes deceive me
at this crucial hour
yet I see a lioness in the forest on the right

One here must help me out
for I can right understand
a lamb becomes a lion

but this be no lion,
it be female true
a lioness?
...
this riddle solved
this be no dark lioness as she pretended to my eyes
but a mere bobcat so unwise
it chases only ducks across the skies
but how is it a bobcat flies ???
 
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I see dark eagle's head,
at water's edge
drinking like a duck
the full flow of the stream
Yet sad indeed
nay close to death
bedraggled
piteous creature he
whose name will not
be spoken here I bid

Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee,
I am God?
but thou shalt be a man,
and no God,
in the hand of him
that slayeth thee.​
 
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I SEE IT! Thanks Stranger! :pink:

I see no fox yet sister
Yet there is a fox we love
dear and true...
and it is so,
she yet hides atime from me
in true humility fair

Dost thou then know her,
what a 'Spirit Wind' may be ?

Are we two left alone
with this strange trial
full riddled through
beyond wit
by intuition only writ...

a seal then , true...

Tell me then sister
dost thou see the lioness
mid-forest on the right?

Dost thou know what 'lioness' signifes,
perhaps some daughter of the night?
 
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I see no fox yet sister
Yet there is a fox we love
dear and true...
and it is so,
she yet hides atime from me
in true humility fair

Dost thou then know her,
what a 'Spirit Wind' may be ?

Are we two left alone
with this strange trial
full riddled through
beyond wit
by intuition only writ...

a seal then , true...

Tell me then sister
dost thou see the lioness
mid-forest on the right?

Dost thou know what 'lioness' signifes,
perhaps some daughter of the night?

Not yet! But I'll keep looking! :pink:
 
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Look at tree dark red
alone
in forest on the right
then just below a big cat dread
which I would
call a lioness' head
OOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! HEHE! Hey! You're a Brit? I LOVE Brits! :pink:
 
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I think I see a dinosaur perhaps
but it be small, unclear
in far distance
'top the 'fall
with horn
upon his head

but this is not so clear
as it be small

and just below a black ape
half immersed in water

I must be seing things by now
imaginings in 'clouds' of mind ?
 
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Happy Holiday Season, dear friends!

winter-wolf-2.jpg
I see an oyter open at last
and a pearl of grreat worth
 
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I speak in love and respect of everyone. I know I may be sticking my neck on the guillotine because of what I am about to discuss. But I am in conflict and am in need of the spiritual counsel of my friends. There is a discussion of who is the best U.S. President in another forum. I personally find such a discussion insulting. Why? Because I am an American NDN, and I do not see how I can honor the memory of any U.S. President or see one as the best. I do see one as the worst though and that is Andrew Jackson. So there lies my inner confliction and turmoil. The 'founding fathers' established this country with land that did not belong to them and claimed lordship over these lands behind the cloak of Christianity. I ask, how can I be a proud american after what was done to the American NDNs in the founding of this nation and what happened to them thereafter? I simply cannot in good conscience. If I make it known I question whether I should be patriotic, I am often met with criticism by those who believe in G-d and country. I am often confronted with accusations of being anti-american and treated as if I am related to Benedict Arnold. But I feel if I am patriotic then I betray my people and dishonor the memory and sacrifices of my ancestors. What am I to do? I know what was done to the North American Indians in the past cannot be altered, but knowing that does not does not alter the grief I feel in my heart because of it. I look around me and all I see is what was once Indian land. Indian land that is now dominated by others who claim lordship over it. The state of Oklahoma was once Indian territory but even that land was taken. Indian land that is now fenced off, with more and more of it being polluted and stripped of its natural beauty. It just makes my heart sick. This land is dying and there are very few who care. It seems to me that there are so many whose only concern is dominating more. I am in need of spiritual counsel and healing myself.
 
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Personally, I'm not so very fond of nationalism to begin with. Worshipping a nation, feeling pride for the mere fact of living on a certain stretch of land - that just doesn't make much sense to me.

Then again, nationalism and patriotism have been BIG taboos in Germany ever since the end of WWII. We've experienced what the ideal of nationalism may lead to, and it has made us exceptionally sensitive to its pitfalls. It's but one small step from believing your own nation to be the best in the world to believing that all others are intrinsically inferior, and ought to be treated as such.

I'm actually amazed by the American self-perception: ritual flag-worshipping, placing your hand on your heart while reciting oaths or singing the anthem... all of that strikes me as pretty odd - especially in the light of the violent past that you mentioned.

Regardless of all this, I *do* believe that there could be such a thing as positive patriotism - and that would *definitely* include the sort of criticism you mentioned. A true patriot, in my book, would not ignore or whitewash such dark spots in the past, but draw attention to them, so that the mistakes of the past can be avoided in the future. Thus, a nation might work towards living up to its vision, rather than just projecting an idealized image that hides the rot underneath.

And yes, I consider it the US's duty to cease their discriminative practices towards the indigenous peoples. Otherwise, the American Dream will always be a big lie that was built upon a ruthless genocide.
 
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I speak in love and respect of everyone. I know I may be sticking my neck on the guillotine because of what I am about to discuss. But I am in conflict and am in need of the spiritual counsel of my friends. There is a discussion of who is the best U.S. President in another forum. I personally find such a discussion insulting. Why? Because I am an American NDN, and I do not see how I can honor the memory of any U.S. President or see one as the best. I do see one as the worst though and that is Andrew Jackson. So there lies my inner confliction and turmoil. The 'founding fathers' established this country with land that did not belong to them and claimed lordship over these lands behind the cloak of Christianity. I ask, how can I be a proud american after what was done to the American NDNs in the founding of this nation and what happened to them thereafter? I simply cannot in good conscience. If I make it known I question whether I should be patriotic, I am often met with criticism by those who believe in G-d and country. I am often confronted with accusations of being anti-american and treated as if I am related to Benedict Arnold. But I feel if I am patriotic then I betray my people and dishonor the memory and sacrifices of my ancestors. What am I to do? I know what was done to the North American Indians in the past cannot be altered, but knowing that does not does not alter the grief I feel in my heart because of it. I look around me and all I see is what was once Indian land. Indian land that is now dominated by others who claim lordship over it. The state of Oklahoma was once Indian territory but even that land was taken. Indian land that is now fenced off, with more and more of it being polluted and stripped of its natural beauty. It just makes my heart sick. This land is dying and there are very few who care. It seems to me that there are so many whose only concern is dominating more. I am in need of spiritual counsel and healing myself.
GigageiTsula, You're not the only one. I feel the same way. It irks me that many american christians talk about America's christian foundations, yada, yada, and the so called founding fathers being put on pedistals as if they are biblical characters, etc. I've gotten into some heated debates in other threads on this subject. I feel this all the time, too. I won't even watch or listen to certain christian programs because of this(or go to certain churches). I can't stomach the America jerUSAlem, etc etc.

It also really saddens me to see more of the land ruined and made into carboncopy shopping centers, malls, Apartments, townhouses that look all the same. :( It depresses me and yet, I also know that when the Lord returns, He will bring it all back--and will restore the Land, animals, trees, etc.

Oh yeah, that powow that I'm going to be at is this one!
http://www.mtsu.edu/~powwow/
 
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