Recovery from the occult forum - an explanation

[Sylvanspirits]

Praying for you, Freitag. You are loved.

 

[BelindaP]

The problem is that many of the posts are going to be offensive to a great many Christians. And they may even serve as stumblingblocks to the weaker ones. They genuinely need to be out of view.

I would suggest that those who are suspicious, have a strong Christian faith, a love for those who suffer in this way, and a heart for Ministry apply for access to the forum. However, they will need to leave some of their prejudices behind and understand that it isn't going to be pretty a lot of the time. Ugly things were experienced by these people, and the reading will be difficult to take.

 

[spoiltbrat2003]

Yeah and the rest need no support whatsoever ?
Who are you trying to kid about these forums ?
ok enough my patience is beginning to wane !
Prayer is needed

 

[Time2BCounted]

I would like to know, who is slated as those able to 'minister' within that forum. Where can we see this info?

 

[GreenMunchkin]

I appreciate that you are concerned for me.
But please, don't worry. First encounter I had with what could be considered a demonic being was a little more than a year ago, before I knew of this site. I'm quite aware of what to do and what not to do. Being foolish and trying to stand on your own or trying to entertain demons is dangerous, and one should rather put on the full armor of God and counter with prayer and rebuking in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. In any event, there's no active deliverance ministry online anyways, so don't worry about that. The fact of the matter is, I already know of and have been exposed to spiritual ugliness, and I think it would be sad if I were not there to help spead Christ's love. Just my opinion.

The thing is - and I understand what you're saying, truly - when the demons are speaking through Moriah, it's terrifying, and soul-destroying, and dangerous. It's graphic and full of hate and glee and evil, about self-mutilation and sex with demons... no-one except for people who are trained should be coming against that.

Moriah is a gentle, lovely woman, but when it's not her speaking, it's absolutely hideous, and hardly any of us are equipped to be dealing with that, aside from praying fervently - which in itself can still be difficult because of the resistance.

So despite your willingness and your maturity and your love, it's utterly inappropriate for anyone who is untrained, much less underage, to be seeing it, and attempting to minister to her.

 

[3girls2dogs]

The ministrations consist of providing love and sympathy. They would involve correction of incorrect or distorted views of God and Christiainity. Providing encouragement and urging people to seek real life help. Sometimes the best ministry is to listen while somebody pours out their heart and soul, no matter how bad it sounds.

As a person who has recovered from incest and sexual abuse, it makes perfect sense to me. What I might have to say about it wouldn't be appropriate for an open forum (especially if going into any kind of detail). However, being able to say it in the presence of unjudgmental people is immensely therapetic. In the same way, survivors of the occult have a similar need. What they might have to say isn't pretty, but it needs to be said as a part of recovery.

Exactly, Belinda. So why do no others get a "sooper seekrit" forum to vent their pain. Why only Moriah?

 

[BelindaP]

I would like to know, who is slated as those able to 'minister' within that forum. Where can we see this info?

That's a good question. Anyone with the icon in their bling has access to the forum. Other than that, I don't know if their is a way for anyone other than staff to search.

 

[BelindaP]

Exactly, Belinda. So why do no others get a "sooper seekrit" forum to vent their pain. Why only Moriah?

Because nobody has asked. The idea for this forum came up because of harassment issues. I personally think that having forums for other types of recovery would be awesome.

 

[Mary_Magdalene]

This type of secret forum between believers is not even biblical:


Galatians 6:2 Carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.

Ephesians 5:12 For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. 13 But everything exposed by the light becomes visible, 14 for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said: "Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."

 

[spoiltbrat2003]

Moriahforums.com

 

[3girls2dogs]

Moriahforums.com

I wish I could rep you twice in a row.

 

[seashale76]

The thing is - and I understand what you're saying, truly - when the demons are speaking through Moriah, it's terrifying, and soul-destroying, and dangerous. It's graphic and full of hate and glee and evil, about self-mutilation and sex with demons... no-one except for people who are trained should be coming against that.

Moriah is a gentle, lovely woman, but when it's not her speaking, it's absolutely hideous, and hardly any of us are equipped to be dealing with that, aside from praying fervently - which in itself can still be difficult because of the resistance.

So despite your willingness and your maturity and your love, it's utterly inappropriate for anyone who is untrained, much less underage, to be seeing it, and attempting to minister to her.

Precisely. Even Christ said that some things could only be helped by prayer and fasting. He said this to the apostles. Who are we to even entertain the idea that we might be experts? I have a hard enough time adhering to my prayer rule as it is.

 

[3girls2dogs]

Because nobody has asked. The idea for this forum came up because of harassment issues. I personally think that having forums for other types of recovery would be awesome.

Nobody knew they could ask. We have been told time and time again, no more secrets, all openness, member run forums. No more hidden agendas. So no one thought it was something that would be done. Now that Moriah has gotten her own secret subforum, can the rest of us have some?

 

[Sylvanspirits]

The thing is - and I understand what you're saying, truly - when the demons are speaking through Moriah, it's terrifying, and soul-destroying, and dangerous. It's graphic and full of hate and glee and evil, about self-mutilation and sex with demons... no-one except for people who are trained should be coming against that.

Moriah is a gentle, lovely woman, but when it's not her speaking, it's absolutely hideous, and hardly any of us are equipped to be dealing with that, aside from praying fervently - which in itself can still be difficult because of the resistance.

So despite your willingness and your maturity and your love, it's utterly inappropriate for anyone who is untrained, much less underage, to be seeing it, and attempting to minister to her.

I already have read what the demons say when speaking through her. That was MY choice. Granted, it could be considered disturbing. I did do just what you said - praying fervantly once - and she thanked me for it after things were a bit calmer. Please don't blame Moriah for any of this, as I would prefer to take the blame for my actions if they are seen as wrong.

 

[JimfromOhio]

To me in the concept of "recovery", I see this is related to sin more than any "topic" like accult. Paul said in Galatians 6:8 “The one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption.” Those who are in the recovery was enslaved to sin. Any sin is addictive from the standpoint that it has the potential to control and dominate a person. Jesus said in Matthew 6:24a, “No one can serve two masters” (see also Luke 16:13). When a person has a master, this person is under the total control of the addictive master. And, in a real sense, the master we obey shows whose slave we are.

In "Recovery Ministries", ministry leaders are to help, guide and edify those who are in recovery SPIRITUALLY, not professionally. God has given us the grace to sanctify us. The sources of "thorns" can be weaknesses, insults, distresses, persecutions and difficulties. Paul just needed to focus on God rather than the problem. Through GRACE, "Perseverance must finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything." (James 1:4). Grace of heart is a gift from God and this has nothing to do with the thorns because God change our circumstances by changing us internally, by allowing Him to lift us above our present thorn and He will lead us into His will. Peter says after you've suffered a while the Lord will make you perfect. God uses suffering to reveal our spiritual condition. In the midst of the sufferings, what kind of Christian do you see yourself? God answers not by removing the pain, because the pain was productive, rather God gave Grace to endure. In this life it is inevitable and it is useful because it produces the evidence of your true spiritual condition, humility and intimacy with God and allows God to put Himself on display in His grace.

While I understand the purpose of "privacy" but spiritually, we cannot have "total secret" and spiritual leaders are to have "over-sight" of such ministries to ensure that members are following what God has intended.

Biblically, Christians are no longer "in the flesh": "You are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him" (Rom 8:9). "If Christ is in us, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness" (Romans 8:10). Through the Sword of the Spirit, we have the power to overcome any temptations and evil that we face in this world. The key to holiness is submitting to the Spirit's control in daily life that will enable us to overcome the human nature and live through grace's sufficiency. That's what "Recovery" should be about. One thing I have learned regarding "Cost of Discipleship" when I was dealing with my own temptations and failings. Discipleship requires following Jesus on His terms. A person who looks back is not fit to be His disciple (Luke 9:62). Looking back is a struggle for me that I need to work on NOT looking back. Remember a story about Sodom and Gomorrah? The angels warned Lot and his family not to look back when they run from the cities or they will die (see Genesis 19). Lot's wife died when she looked back. Looking back means you are still holding on to sin or sins that you will miss. Anyone who is still holding on to sin is not really recovering but rather fighting and should seek professional help from Christian professionals locally.

That is one thing we can use to remember about when we are holding on to our sins because when we do, temptations will FAIL. We need to let go and move in with God's help. A spirit-filled Christian are to focus all of their energies on this one thing: Forgetting the past and looking forward to what lies ahead, I strain to reach the end of the race and receive the prize for which God, through Jesus Christ, is calling us to heaven." (Phillippians 3:13-14 NLT). “He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God” (Rom. 8:27).

Repenting is picking up the cross by rejecting the world. Romans 6:6 "For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin—" Galatians 5:24 "Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires."

ALL WIKIs in "Recovery" should have this concept that they should know that they are not to practice a kind of deliverance in "private" and all recovery sites are to be monitored.

 

[GreenMunchkin]

I already have read what the demons say when speaking through her. That was MY choice. Granted, it could be considered disturbing. I did do just what you said - praying fervantly once - and she thanked me for it after things were a bit calmer. Please don't blame Moriah for any of this, as I would prefer to take the blame for my actions if they are seen as wrong.

You mentioned blame before, and I'm not sure why. No-one is to blame. There's no blame to be doled out to anyone. It is what it is. But I think this is something Erwin needs to get involved in, and the sub-forum needs to stipulate that no-one under 21 can enter. We are nothing short of morally and spiritually remiss if that doesn't happen.

It's not a slight against you; it's an acknowledgement that this is very serious, and needs to be handled appropriately.

 

[Sylvanspirits]

and the sub-forum needs to stipulate that no-one under 21 can enter.

Ironically, I'd agree with you if I was 21. Oh, the woe of being young.

You mentioned blame before, and I'm not sure why. No-one is to blame. There's no blame to be doled out to anyone.

I know. I'm simply worried people will go after Moriah for "corrupting" me. If my innocence was destroyed, I assure you it happened long before I ever met Moriah, before I ever knew of Foru.ms.

 

[D'Ann]

this is not the behavior of a person seeking release...

Gweny, she last posted on 9/2/07. I'm thinking that she is truly struggling to overcome the demon(s) in her and is sincerely seeking help. I don't agree with how this situation has occurred on many different levels... but I'm willing to give Moriah the benefit of the doubt in this area. I know that sometimes demons will talk (post) in her name... that much I gathered on my own.

I agree that she is one who needs to be ministered to... and when this forum does happen.... it will be sincerely in my prayers because if this forum is not ministered by strong Christians like Fr. Rick who are trained (hopefully) in this particular area... and if there are not strong protective guidelines... this forum can be more damaging and dangerous than any other forum on this site.

But if this forum is properly done... this forum could be a tool to be used to help bring truly lost souls back to Jesus. This is a grave decision and if it is not done correctly... I agree, there will be accountability for the destruction and damage done by those who desperately need help.

I pray that those who minister in this soon to be new forum, that they constantly and vigiliantly(sp?) pray... pray and pray in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit and encourage the members to reach out to real life help and support, while helping and supporting them online.

In the meantime, there is one thing that we all must do and that is also pray, pray and pray and pray and pray.

It was set up with the view of more people being added as the need arises. The rules were devised not only for the current here and now

However the founding members are so totally shattered and in pieces right now, that its all on hold. There was so much love and concern expressed for my soul yesterday, that is left me feeling like the bus hasnt just hit me, but its reversed over me several times as well

So for all of those who have expressed support, thankyou, words are inadequate

To all of those who disagree, and want further points clarified at the moment, I am not able to deal with those, spending large amounts of time dissociating, and hanging onto God, desperately trying to not fall into the abyss, that seems so inviting, and in many ways would be preferable to this pain

Hopefully in a few days, I'll be slightly more compus mentus

I know that your heart is in the right place. I'm sorry for the hurt and damage that has been done. It may not seem like it, but we all do care and in Christ we do love you.

The damage has already been done

for those of you who have expressed their support, thankyou. Your support has allowed me to keep hanging on, when I really want to let go.

For those of you who are concerned for the state of my soul, know this.


I am hiding in God right now, desperately trying to avoid falling into this gaping chasm that is opening up beneath my feet. I dont have the strength of the desire to play PC niceness, its taking all that I have just to hang on to Christ. and the abyss seems so welcoming. The thought of oblivion is welcoming, because I would not have to feel anymore

Please dont be asking me questions on this or that, because getting my head to think straight right now, it a major challenge. If you are genuinely concerned for my soul, please pray, because oblivion would be welcome right now please pray that I can hang on.

I do a lot of hiding in God.

Matthew 11:28-30

28 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me; for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."

Have you ever been involved in a 12-step group or group therapy? Somehow a room of alcoholics manages to get millions of people to overcome alcoholism. Everyone is recoverying, but some are further along than others. It works along the same lines.

When my baby died of sids, hubby and I were part of a support group (in real life). It was a comfort to know that we were not the only ones who were grieving. But we also had a counselor giving us guidance and helping us to understand the process of grieving. That is all I want for this forum. I want them to have a counselor to guide them while they work through their own kind of grieving.

i have not read all of this thread....it seems like people who post there are concerned about their privacy. what about coding the forum like the report forums are coded. people who are struggling can post there but nobody but staff can see who they are?

this way, the forum is open and able to be looked at by all members (gets rid of the soopersecret issue) but members are still able to post confidentially.....

I like this suggestion too.

The problem is that many of the posts are going to be offensive to a great many Christians. And they may even serve as stumblingblocks to the weaker ones. They genuinely need to be out of view.

I would suggest that those who are suspicious, have a strong Christian faith, a love for those who suffer in this way, and a heart for Ministry apply for access to the forum. However, they will need to leave some of their prejudices behind and understand that it isn't going to be pretty a lot of the time. Ugly things were experienced by these people, and the reading will be difficult to take.

I do understand your point, but in retrospect... I think there are plenty of forums here that are stumbling blocks to the young and weaker Christians here. NCR... Theology... etc... Some of the posts are ugly too.

I believe that we all can learn from this forum and gain a deeper understanding of the member's struggles... we can learn compassion and learn how important it is to always pray, pray and pray. I don't believe that this forum should be hiddened.

 

[Time2BCounted]

Who will be 'ministering' in this new forum?

Why is there no clear cut answer on this?

I KNOW there are many here who believe this to be a very important question.

And WHY again is it being implied moriah will be ministering?

 

[GreenMunchkin]

Ironically, I'd agree with you if I was 21. Oh, the woe of being young.

The benefits outweigh the negatives Pfft, oh to be 17 again!