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Not only terrible execution, but terrible forethought. How is someone who glorifies satanic sonnets and declares they want no deliverance, and admits to demonic possesion qualified to help those who ARE interested in deliverance. All i see is a trap meant to ensnare those who may want to escape
This isnt a circle this is direct and goes to the very heart of the matter minus the secrecy issue which even violates the sites rules about forums being open.Not only terrible execution, but terrible forethought. How is someone who glorifies satanic sonnets and declares they want no deliverance, and admits to demonic possesion qualified to help those who ARE interested in deliverance. All i see is a trap meant to ensnare those who may want to escape
You are mistaken. Sylvan isn't a former occultist.The only minors that would be allowed in there are ones that are recovering from the occult anyways, now are you saying that minors recovering from the occult shouldn't be allowed this resource ?
Many are willing to help, hopw many will be accepted is the real questionI could see where your coming from on this one.
Like i said the leaders intentions I am unaware. Thats why I am only saying im for the concept. Seems fishy. But the general concept is nice if we could get actual people wanting to help in there.
~Blessed Be
Ok now thats understandable....well like i said I am for the concept and Hope she and whoever else finds in Christ what they are seeking.Moriah is not doing the ministering. She is only deciding those who will be ministering to her. It is based on prior interaction with her. So, for example, BelindaP and FatherRick are going to be two that she trusts and two that she will give membership to.
Lisa
Trust is a major issue and in my earlier post i quoted a statement that could possibly be a solution to a trust issue.Many are willing to help, hopw many will be accepted is the real question
Moriah is not doing the ministering. She is only deciding those who will be ministering to her. It is based on prior interaction with her. So, for example, BelindaP and FatherRick are going to be two that she trusts and two that she will give membership to.
Lisa
I'm sorry but God is not limited to the laying on of hands and in person deliverance, God delivered me using a guy on the other end of email, God showed up in my house and used the teaching and incredible support that guy gave me to help me get the truth I needed to get free.
I would never have thought it possible
God's word does not return void.
It depends on the person but God will use what He will use, if those in need here can be given some real support then God can use that, maybe not necessarily for deliverance but for helping along the journey but then again who knows it may well be for deliverance.
There are concerns online absolutely and I do agree it is wise to be careful with all of it but God used online stuff to help me, if He hadn't I daren't think where I'd be now.
D'Ann: The rules specifically state what is allowed.
Hi D'Ann,
Just wanted to say that a big part of Recovery Team is getting people to real live help. It is always the emphasis to almost all needing help.
So, that's covered.
Recovery tho can't make a person get real live help, but believe me it is one of the first things we are taught is help get them to real live help.
We believe a little differently, and I've seen believers struggle with satanic or occultic type stuff, and when they come to Christ, it's still there and they see the need to put that behind them.
They do this by their will and with God's help. No need for priests or pastors, but again, we just believe differently there. Christ is able. I know you know that, but that applies to satanic and occultic stuff as well.
We all grow differently; again I don't know much about this thread, but if any person desires to leave this lifestyle and comes to Christ, or is in Christ and in this lifestyle, then if they desire to leave it they will with Christ working in them.
Many come to Christ, and change is different in all of us, some faster, some slower, some not much, so all at different paces and it's when we see what we need to about ourselves, and then ask God's help in that area should we desire to change.
A believer can not be indwelled with demons. Scripture is clear:
The Holy Spirit God indwells all believers and never leaves, as shown by verse above, we are sealed, marked, the deposit Christ in us, says Holy Spirit here, in other scriptures Christ. Same thing.. God.
God and satan can not indwell a believer. Only God indwells believers.
A non christian can have demons in them (ugh, hate this topic) but a Christian can not.
If there is some sort of demonic stuff occuring (which would be externally); help from those who have been thru such may be able to help as well.
So, if this person can get to a support group in real life or connect with another who has had same issues, that is one way they can get help.
Just wanted to speak to above. Recovery team does encourage people very much so to real live help. It's fairly critical to recovery.
So, bless you D'Ann, we all believe differently about things, but wanted to share, and this is not specifically to you, but as to the readers due to the topic at hand.
love
tapero
I'm sorry, but I disagree with your entire post. There is no danger of the forum being "taken over" It is required to be a Christian or to be open to Christ to join. A practicing Satanist was already rejected for access to the subforum. I could care less if people are curious about it, I don't want hateful people in there. Which leads me to why this is a closed forum - not because of God and Satan, but because the members are consistantly attacked on open forums.
True. Its almost as if some want it open for that purpose!
Hey Christ pulled me out of a major cesspool. Christ is the only reason why i keep putting one foot infront of another. Christ is the one who I hide in, when the old ones come calling, trying to convince me go hunting.
When I first came to faith, the enemy fought hard to stop me changing camps, including 2 almost potential car crashes, which only stopped from being actual car crashed because I called on the name of God.
As hard as the enemy tried to get me to falter and fall, I have learnt that God, fights far harder to protect those who are His.
First of all this is for CHRISTIANS seeking repetance and forgiveness. and the reason they need their own forum is bc of just what you posted,
You are a prime example of why they need they're own forum. bc saying things like this do not help anyone. ALL who accept Jesus and make an honest effort to change their ways will be forgiven.
Yet why is it that I see so much condemning from our brothers and sisters on here? Everyone who comes to God in good faith should have a chance for forgiveness. who are we to stop them? These people want Christ, they want change. let them have it.
Amen.
~Blessed Be.
I haven't read through the whole thread but I think having a place to sort out what happened in a safe environment is a really good idea.
When I was in high school, I was approached by a Cult called the Forever Family led by Stuart Trail. I was vulnerable and looking for love and acceptance which I was not finding at my Catholic Church at the time. I was in the cult for over a year, even became the house church secretary. When the time came that everyone was being moved to New York, I panicked and called a friend who had gotten me into the cult and who later joined a Baptist Church for help to help me get out. Members of her church came and helped me leave. My parents were not okay with me attending a Baptist Church, my local Catholic Church wanted nothing to do with me, and I drifted into the occult. I was heavily involved with the occult not knowing the true dangers. I was so naive that I didn't know the grip that satan had on me. I had gotten into drugs, alcohol and sex. It wasn't until years later, I saw the passion play titled Thou Art the Christ that my heart was opened to the truth. I started attending a non-demoninational (sp) church and spoke to the pastor about my past. My pastor did an evening study about the occult shortly after our talk. When I told him about all the unpublished books that I had on the subject, his only response was to throw it all out. I threw one book out 3 or 4 times. I don't know how it kept showing up in my apartment. Things got scary at my place, things I couldn't explain. When I told a co-worker about it, she called her pastor and her entire church prayed for me the whole night. Whatever had been in my place was removed.
The cult I was in, still exists under a new name. They are called the Church of Bible Understanding. The people I knew in the occult are still very active in PA. What happened to me happened 20 years ago, so I have pretty much sorted my past out. I was lucky. I was drawn to a bible believing church that had a great pastor who understood my past and was able to help me. People that have not experienced these things sometimes have trouble understanding it. When a person is coming out of this type of environment, he/she needs to be able to talk about it. To get it out. To clear his/her mind and head. My church even allowed me to attend the children's bible time (as a helper) so that I could resort and learn the basic truths that had gotten distorted from my past.
Sorry that I seem to be writing a book. But this area should exist with parameters in place. There should be knowledgable understanding, patient and loving pastors as moderators and managers on the thread. These individuals should be involved in the discussions. And very importantly these individuals should be consistantly lifted up in prayer by any and all prayer warriors on this site.
If you make it a hidden forum you will hide it from people who need it too.
The only minors that would be allowed in there are ones that are recovering from the occult anyways, now are you saying that minors recovering from the occult shouldn't be allowed this resource ?
If it were made not private, there would be more reports than a hundred mods would be able to deal with.It would totally wreck it.
If it were not private those who need help would be bashed,slandered and condemned. All they are asking for is forgiveness. But some dont see it that way. As I have said before, let them find Christ and let Christ come into their lives as He has so graciously come into ours.
~Blessed Be.
Then why did I read a mod say this
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Sorry, but everybody is talking in circles. First it is for recovering ex-occultists, but one of the people who is deciding who is "friendly" enough to gain admittance has publically stated she is demon possessed and
Well, I think this froum is a good idea. I would like to see RECOVERING ex-occultists receive help from understanding and compassionate people. However, at this point it is all so jumbled, and it appears that one of the deciders isn't even qualified to use the forum. Perhaps it should be scrapped and started over so as it includes everyone who needs help.
I have seen lots of posts saying these people are being attacked in public forums. I am sorry they feel that way, but as I was taught, those in the light do not play with darkness. I have no problem with ex-occultists. I think they are heroic for fighting their way out. And I think that this is a ministry that this forum, as well as our real life churches, should equip themselves for. I also believe the "attacking" might be happening on both sides.
As it is, I have a 16-year-old stepdaughter who would run to such a secret forum in a New York minute. She does not understand the dangers of playing with hellfire. And if she were to have access to some ofthe subject matter I have seen suggested in the wiki, and I couldn't monitor it, I would be livid. Kids should not be encouraged to do things in secret.
As I said before, it is a good idea, but a terrible execution.
Moriah is not doing the ministering. She is only deciding those who will be ministering to her. It is based on prior interaction with her. So, for example, BelindaP and FatherRick are going to be two that she trusts and two that she will give membership to.
Lisa
Ill agreet to that. well put.Lisa... I trust BelindaP and Fr. Rick... and I love Moriah and pray for her to over come her spiritual struggles.
I just don't believe that members should be able to exclude potential new members to a forum.
I believe that like all forums, they can have rules that visitors and members have to abide by or get a FSB.
Or set it up like the Ask a Pastor forum or one can make it similar to the support forums.
Will this change when there are more people, besides Moriah, who need this ministry? Will they be granted the same degree of authority as she is, or will she have a unique position as a founding member? At a certain point, no individual will have complete control over who is admitted to the forum, once there are a number of individuals present with their own unique concerns.
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No one is denying them this opportunity. What we are worried about is the secrecy and that the Pastoral Team did not know about it except Fr. Rick knew about it. I have no interest in bashing or slandering or condemning anyone... for how we judge, we shall be judged. But I do believe that in order to truly help the members, it will need heavy moderation from people like Fr. Rick and others who have been through this struggle and with Christ overcame it. It will need to be well protected and governed.
I do not mean to stereo type, I have met some wonderful people here who want to help and make valid points against this forum. I am talking about the few who arnt so understanding on the concept.
as for moderation I agree it needs more. its a touchy and fragile subject that effects everyone in some way, but what I am worried about is if it gets out of hand? I understand that most have the best intentions at heart, but sometimes it only takes one person to pull back the progress. I am just worried that if its not under careful supervision of people who care, and I know theres alot. it could get ugly.
~Blessed Be.
Does anyone really believe that any real Pastor is going to sit still in that or any other forum and allow the devil to run wild? Seriously ?
Erwin knows the dangers of the devil as well as anyone here. He is a Christian . Why would anyone even imagine that he would allow a place that would operate outside of the five Christian principals that he enacted himself ?
The devil has no power unless it is given to it. The staff will need to be Christian who supervise this area and the Pastors in charge of giving care here will need to be alert. Really there is no more to it than that.
If everyone goes screaming blue murder about a place created to help people in recovery then the thing is being given power. The forum just needs proper , strict, Christian supervision. I am sure it will get it and if not then that will be the time to scream blue murder. It is not the time now when all the comments of worry are no more than conjecture.
The girl who is being mentioned here with regard to this is not in charge of the forum. I do not wish to address the individual other than to say if they are seeking help then God Bless them.
Let's at the very least wait for a response to all this debate and see what happens. So far nothing wrong has . Give Erwin a chance he has been working hard at improving matters . He deserves the benefit of the doubt as shown by his current actions here . There is never a need for panic. Never...
Sun
I think that is good, And I am more then willing to join hands and have faith. Its hard to be civil to one another when we all feel passionatly about our beliefs. In the end we Hug each other and find a way.I have been thinking about this all night. For years, I always been supportive of unique ministries that benefits those who are often ignored by other Christians. Christians may participate in any endeavor as long as it does not violate Scripture.
At the same time, I believe we have crossed the line and find conflict with Scripture. If this forum simply gave them assistance through their groups without any reference to the spiritual, then it would be neutral, what is the point of having these ministries without pastoral oversight?
I have seen all kinds of ministries that God doesn't have a thing to do with. Instead of spending their time doing what God wants them to do and what God gifted them to do, they're running around doing what they want to do. That's my problem.
If we are to proclaim Christ in the world through ministries, we have to minister to each other in order to build each other up to be like Christ, not to focus on our past sins.
I believe that we are to have "accountability" in all ministries between members and staff. Foru.ms is an "Online Ministry" that is different, special and unique. Any attempt to follow Jesus example of ministry will be ineffective unless we also follow His examples. As we interact with others, take the time to truly get to know them, and let the Holy Spirit flow through us into their lives.
Also, I am disappointed in myself of getting into this too deep before grasping the full understanding of the situations. I am disappointed in myself in "listening" to certain people of their beliefs of the issues.
I recommend that we have a "Wiki" to have rule about people jumping into conclusion of such situations. Any situations including ministries, we are to have "assumption" be avoided. We must be careful about how we react to situations like this. We must not accuse others of things we are uninformed about.
Christians filled with the Holy Spirit do not make assumption and avoid any strife possible until we gather all of the facts from the "right" people.
I do not to be those who fail to remember the past and repeat them because I will be condemned by God if repeat it. If I fail to remember the past, I will be condemned if repeat it. The only justification for looking to the past is that I can learn great lessons from it and apply them in the future.
What have happened yesterday taught me a lesson. I need to apply myself to this biblical teachings that I have shared in the past. Situations like yesterday was to bring out the BEST in me (See: Gen. 22:1-2, 15-18; Hebrews 11:17). That was not me.
What happened to me yesterday was that it brought out the WORST in me (see: James 1:13-14).
Something to think about everyone. If you want Foru.ms to survive, it is up to US to make it work. Do NOT listen to those who are causing problems and creating strifeful threads (like yesterday). We are to work together and move on.
Well of course it can not run wild. With all the Christians on this site there is no way. Prayer can move mountains so this is a little problem. God created Heaven and earth I seriously have too much faith to believe our prayers and advice with God as our source of power and wisdom will fail here either. Pray, pray and pray more and all of our worries will flee. God bless you all. I need to go the family needs me right now...I am not screaming murder (speaking on my behalf). Only caution. I dont believe the devil will run wild my fear is more on misconception and misunderstandings. I have heard alot about this forum, from the ridiculous preconceptions to the logical and valid.
And at such an early stage, I just hope that we can protect those seeking help and those offering it. they will need prayers, for strength and resilliance to hang in there and help others.
~Blessed Be.
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