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Ok, if you are going to get upset, then please get upset about actual truth as opposed to what ever else we want to call it]The problem is, Moriah wants to choose how she's supported, and no-one who has any demon (be it literal, or metaphorical) will willingly accept help that feels uncomfortable; it will always be easier and less painful to be with people who will allow you to stay unwell. That's said out of genuine concern for Moriah, and for anyone else that will join that forum. However, it is what it is.
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Primarily, though, the forum NEEDS to have a minimum age of 18, or even 21.
I'm not upset, Frei, am trying to approach it completely logically. As far as Moriah is concerned, the forum is for her and about her. She feels people are concerned because we don't want to see her "BLEED EVERYWHERE", so for the sake of expedience, am using her perception of the forum.Ok, if you are going to get upset, then please get upset about actual truth as opposed to what ever else we want to call it]
This is not a sole support for moriah, and it doesnt matter how many times people say that, it is still not all about moriah
HiI'm inclined to disagree. One does not magically become more mature upon becoming a legal adult. All that would be needed would be a disclaimer along the lines of "By participating in this forum, you agree to release Foru.ms from all liability, etc..."
Besides, we're not going to let hardly anyone under 18 in there. I believe I am the only member under 18 as of now, and my parents could care less what I do with my time, so long as I don't commit a felony - for that matter, I am entirely alone in my house, my parents have been about 75 miles away for a few days now working on their retirement home.
However, as a general rule, minors should be subject to GREAT scrutiny before even being considered for membership. I'd say don't allow any minors at all, except that wouldn't work very well for me, now would it.
don't think people who are too young to drink should be exposed to graphic descriptions of sex with demons. I also don't think someone who has issues like this should be choosing to share it with someone your age, but that's something I'll bring up with Moriah herself.
Love, it's not about blame. There *is* no blame here. No-one is at fault. We're all just struggling along our own path.I was the one who came to Moriah first. Don't blame Moriah for it, because the blame would lie with me. And I can assure you, I'm not some little kid living in a bubble of innocence. I know the world is a dark place, and I try to be a beacon of light in it.
I'd like people to approach it truthfully..... there has been so much misinformation propagated about this forum. However rather than take the time to find out the actual truth, people have reacted to the misinformation and half truthsI'm not upset, Frei, am trying to approach it completely logically. As far as Moriah is concerned, the forum is for her and about her. She feels people are concerned because we don't want to see her "BLEED EVERYWHERE", so for the sake of expedience, am using her perception of the forum.
Love, it's not about blame. There *is* no blame here. No-one is at fault. We're all just struggling along our own path.
Huh?I'd like people to approach it truthfully..... there has been so much misinformation propagated about this forum. However rather than take the time to find out the actual truth, people have reacted to the misinformation and half truths
Oh yes, and being compared to a pedophile didnt really help anything either. As someone who was raped and sodimised on a regular basis till the age of 5, it kind ya know, just ripped to the heart.
Ya know what greenie, I'm done. People are welcome to believe what they want to believe, i seriously dont care any more.
Which is wonderful. It's what Jesus commands us to do. And what happens off-site isn't within the site's remit to keep an eye on, but what happens within the confines of these virtual walls is very much the site's responsibility.I know.Regardless, I would ask that I not be restricted from the forum. Regarding the PMs, I'm afraid I'd have to say that I would stay in contact with Moriah even if staff told me otherwise to the point of an e-ban, because I care for her.
In at least two seperate threadsHuh?
Which is wonderful. It's what Jesus commands us to do. And what happens off-site isn't within the site's remit to keep an eye on, but what happens within the confines of these virtual walls is very much the site's responsibility.
In at least two seperate threads
It's not my decision, dudeI still think a disclaimer releasing Foru.ms from liability would be better, even though I am simply arguing for my own case. I truely think I could help there, and Moriah and Freitag agreed with me. Give me a chance.I promise we won't sue.
It's not my decision, dudeYou're clearly very much in Moriah's corner, which is really good, because she needs support. But the issue of allowing young people to be exposed to that is more wide-spread than just you (no offense ).
The problem is, people who are desperate will cling to any hand that's offered to them, regardless of the age/strength/capability of the person who's reaching out. So the problem isn't you, or Moriah, it's the situation.
...A New Dawn said:Then the best answer is to change your environment. Just like anything else that needs recovery. Move. Get new friends. Find a loving person and ask what church they go to. Go see a psychiatrist. Any of the above. All of the above.
Anything but give them a place to foster the possession! (If it really is possession.)
Willing? Willingness isn't always the only factor. Ways and means tend to be limiting for a lot of people.I didn't say it was easy. But if one wants relief, then they have to be willing to do the hard things.
HBM said:what you SHOULD do is shut the whole thing down. Erwin, you have UNQUALIFIED people trying to do this..pastoral doesn't seem interested. NEVER mind the fact, IF people want REAL help, they will go to someone in REAL Life. They NEEd that. WHAT if someone gets sucicidal? People can't jump through the screen and help them. GET real. This is just a huge problem waiting to happen.
If we are using Wiki rules isn't there a real danger of the forum being taken over and used for Satan's bidding? Making this secret will just make people that much more curious about it. Another thing. If this stuff is addressed openly others may be helped by it. To think discussing Satanism versus God openly gives Satanism an edge is silly unless you lack faith in the good guy upstairs.
True. Its almost as if some want it open for that purpose!Which leads me to why this is a closed forum - not because of God and Satan, but because the members are consistantly attacked on open forums.
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