There are many very serious universalists who would be deeply offended by this sort of response.Silly reply to a serious post.
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There are many very serious universalists who would be deeply offended by this sort of response.Silly reply to a serious post.
Universalism is not biblical.There are many very serious universalists who would be deeply offended by this sort of response.
Why, I know those words quit well, probably understand them better than you.In the meantime, you look up the words
ALL
WORLD
EVERYONE
This is error, The Truths that the acronym TULIP set forth are nothing less than the Gospel of Gods Grace in Christ. If you deny that, I believe you have been deceived, by you know who.Universalism is not biblical.
Calvinism is not biblical..
Both require twisting of scripture.
God wishes that all be saved.
Why aren't all saved?
Because salvation is conditional...
Unconditional Election distorts scripture and Jesus' atoning sacrifice.
It may seem quite strange to you, but traditional universalists, some of whom post in the non-Christian theology board here at CF, believe that universalism is, indeed, quite biblical, and employ the very verse that you have used to support your own view.Universalism is not biblical.
Calvinism is not biblical..
Both require twisting of scripture.
God wishes that all be saved.
Why aren't all saved?
Because salvation is conditional...
Unconditional Election distorts scripture and Jesus' atoning sacrifice.
Let's try this:Why, I know those words quit well, probably understand them better than you.
Strong's Concordance pas: all, every Original Word: πᾶς, πᾶσα, πᾶνPart of Speech: Adjective Transliteration: pas Phonetic Spelling: (pas) Definition: all, every Usage: all, the whole, every kind of. HELPS Word-studies 3956 pás – each, every; each "part(s) of a totality" (L & N, 1, 59.24). 3956 /pás ("each, every") means "all" in the sense of "each (every) part that applies." The emphasis of the total picture then is on "one piece at a time." 365 (ananeóō) then focuses on the part(s) making up the whole – viewing the whole in terms of the individual parts. We can discuss what ALL means in each and every case in the NT, But Jesus meant what He said, and in this case it's supported by the above. Jesus meant that He would draw ALL MEN to Himself... Not just some, or parts of, or peoples, etc.. ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD John 3:16 New International Version For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. New Living Translation “For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. English Standard Version “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Berean Standard Bible For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. Berean Literal Bible For God so loved the world that He gave the only begotten Son, so that everyone believing in Him should not perish, but should have eternal life. King James Bible For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. New King James Version For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. WORLD
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You are following a different gospel than every other Christian in the world.This is error, The Truths that the acronym TULIP set forth are nothing less than the Gospel of Gods Grace in Christ. If you deny that, I believe you have been deceived, by you know who.
Hey b,It may seem quite strange to you, but traditional universalists, some of whom post in the non-Christian theology board here at CF, believe that universalism is, indeed, quite biblical, and employ the very verse that you have used to support your own view.
I know the words, you are wasting space.Let's try this:
I WILL DRAW ALL MEN TO ME.
John 12:32
New International Version
And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”
New Living Translation
And when I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw everyone to myself.”
English Standard Version
And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”
Berean Standard Bible
And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw everyone to Myself.”
Berean Literal Bible
And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all to Myself."
King James Bible
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
New King James Version
And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself.”
ALL:
Strong's Concordance
pas: all, everyOriginal Word: πᾶς, πᾶσα, πᾶν
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: pas
Phonetic Spelling: (pas)
Definition: all, every
Usage: all, the whole, every kind of.
HELPS Word-studies
3956 pás – each, every; each "part(s) of a totality" (L & N, 1, 59.24).
3956 /pás ("each, every") means "all" in the sense of "each (every) part that applies." The emphasis of the total picture then is on "one piece at a time." 365 (ananeóō) then focuses on the part(s) making up the whole – viewing the whole in terms of the individual parts.
We can discuss what ALL means in each and every case in the NT,
But Jesus meant what He said,
and in this case it's supported by the above.
Jesus meant that He would draw ALL MEN to Himself...
Not just some, or parts of, or peoples, etc..
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FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD
John 3:16
New International Version
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
New Living Translation
“For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.
English Standard Version
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Berean Standard Bible
For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Berean Literal Bible
For God so loved the world that He gave the only begotten Son, so that everyone believing in Him should not perish, but should have eternal life.
King James Bible
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
New King James Version
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
WORLD
2889. kosmos ►
Strong's Concordance
kosmos: order, the worldOriginal Word: κόσμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: kosmos
Phonetic Spelling: (kos'-mos)
Definition: order, the world
Usage: the world, universe; worldly affairs; the inhabitants of the world; adornment.
HELPS Word-studies
2889 kósmos (literally, "something ordered") – properly, an "ordered system" (like the universe, creation); the world.
[The English term "cosmetic" is derived from 2889 /kósmos, i.e. the order ("ensemble") used of treating the face as a whole.]
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EVERYONE
Everyone who seeks, find.
Matthew 7:8
New International Version
For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.
New Living Translation
For everyone who asks, receives. Everyone who seeks, finds. And to everyone who knocks, the door will be opened.
English Standard Version
For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened.
Berean Standard Bible
For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.
Berean Literal Bible
For everyone asking receives; and the one seeking finds; and to the one knocking, it will be opened.
King James Bible
For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
EVERYONE
Strong's Concordance
pas: all, everyOriginal Word: πᾶς, πᾶσα, πᾶν
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: pas
Phonetic Spelling: (pas)
Definition: all, every
Usage: all, the whole, every kind of.
HELPS Word-studies
3956 pás – each, every; each "part(s) of a totality" (L & N, 1, 59.24).
3956 /pás ("each, every") means "all" in the sense of "each (every) part that applies." The emphasis of the total picture then is on "one piece at a time." 365 (ananeóō) then focuses on the part(s) making up the whole – viewing the whole in terms of the individual parts.
Do you agree with the bible and with Strong's?
Or do you have your own version?
Oh no, you are resisting the Gospel of Gods Grace, people have just scoffed it calling it calvins theories.You are following a different gospel than every other Christian in the world.
The reformed are the only persons that believe in Calvin's theories.
This should make one sit up and take notice.
You have done a superlative job in presenting the biblical case for universalism. Kudos to you!Let's try this:
I WILL DRAW ALL MEN TO ME.
John 12:32
New International Version
And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”
New Living Translation
And when I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw everyone to myself.”
English Standard Version
And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”
Berean Standard Bible
And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw everyone to Myself.”
Berean Literal Bible
And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all to Myself."
King James Bible
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
New King James Version
And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself.”
ALL:
You have done a superlative job in presenting the biblical case for universalism. Kudos to you!
Strong's Concordance
pas: all, everyOriginal Word: πᾶς, πᾶσα, πᾶν
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: pas
Phonetic Spelling: (pas)
Definition: all, every
Usage: all, the whole, every kind of.
HELPS Word-studies
3956 pás – each, every; each "part(s) of a totality" (L & N, 1, 59.24).
3956 /pás ("each, every") means "all" in the sense of "each (every) part that applies." The emphasis of the total picture then is on "one piece at a time." 365 (ananeóō) then focuses on the part(s) making up the whole – viewing the whole in terms of the individual parts.
We can discuss what ALL means in each and every case in the NT,
But Jesus meant what He said,
and in this case it's supported by the above.
Jesus meant that He would draw ALL MEN to Himself...
Not just some, or parts of, or peoples, etc..
]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD
John 3:16
New International Version
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
New Living Translation
“For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.
English Standard Version
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Berean Standard Bible
For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Berean Literal Bible
For God so loved the world that He gave the only begotten Son, so that everyone believing in Him should not perish, but should have eternal life.
King James Bible
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
New King James Version
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
WORLD
2889. kosmos ►
Strong's Concordance
kosmos: order, the worldOriginal Word: κόσμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: kosmos
Phonetic Spelling: (kos'-mos)
Definition: order, the world
Usage: the world, universe; worldly affairs; the inhabitants of the world; adornment.
HELPS Word-studies
2889 kósmos (literally, "something ordered") – properly, an "ordered system" (like the universe, creation); the world.
[The English term "cosmetic" is derived from 2889 /kósmos, i.e. the order ("ensemble") used of treating the face as a whole.]
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EVERYONE
Everyone who seeks, find.
Matthew 7:8
New International Version
For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.
New Living Translation
For everyone who asks, receives. Everyone who seeks, finds. And to everyone who knocks, the door will be opened.
English Standard Version
For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened.
Berean Standard Bible
For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.
Berean Literal Bible
For everyone asking receives; and the one seeking finds; and to the one knocking, it will be opened.
King James Bible
For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
EVERYONE
Strong's Concordance
pas: all, everyOriginal Word: πᾶς, πᾶσα, πᾶν
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: pas
Phonetic Spelling: (pas)
Definition: all, every
Usage: all, the whole, every kind of.
HELPS Word-studies
3956 pás – each, every; each "part(s) of a totality" (L & N, 1, 59.24).
3956 /pás ("each, every") means "all" in the sense of "each (every) part that applies." The emphasis of the total picture then is on "one piece at a time." 365 (ananeóō) then focuses on the part(s) making up the whole – viewing the whole in terms of the individual parts.
Do you agree with the bible and with Strong's?
Or do you have your own version?
Just because YOU think you know something...I know the words, you are wasting space.
Calvin or not...Oh no, you are resisting the Gospel of Gods Grace, people have just scoffed it calling it calvins theories.
I do think you forgot to read the entire post.You have done a superlative job in presenting the biblical case for universalism. Kudos to you!
I am not a universalist nor a unitarian. However, I lived long enough in New England to interact with both sides of that theological coin. The conservative universalists use the selfsame set of Bible verses to defend their theology.I do think you forgot to read the entire post.
Are you a universalist BTW?
Ah.I am not a universalist nor a unitarian. However, I lived long enough in New England to interact with both sides of that theological coin. The conservative universalists use the selfsame set of Bible verses to defend their theology.
BTW, I did read the entire post and understand that the intention was not to promote universalism. However, it hardly takes a leap of imagination to view these verses as being foundational to an understanding that God is going to save ALL people.
Ah.
But there are conditions....
Don't calvinists misuse those verses?
Are you reformed?
Your reply is poor in content. Expand your thoughts a little more clearly because just saying no, means all you have is an opinion, but it is not biblicalNope.
Yes it is.
Because that is what scripture teaches.
Again the acronym tulip is the gospel, you reject it you reject the gospel.Calvin or not...
you are following a different Jesus/Gospel.
There is no GOOD NEWS in your gospel.
In fact, it becomes totally irrelevant and unnecessary since it is God who will choose whom He will.
No need for any gospel,
No need for any missionary work,
No need for witnessing or testimonies.
God will bring about His will...as YOU would say.
And since man has NO SAY in the matter...
the bible is totally irrelevant.