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I’m not a universalist. And that’s not what that passage says, as I’ve already pointed out. Changing the words is a poor way to argue.You don't understand the Gospel.
God sees ALL THINGS in his Son Jesus Christ. As far as God is concerned Jesus has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil and now sits in heaven as... "The King of Kings and the Lord of Lords" Revelation 19:16.
The scripture says that Jesus has reconciled us and THE WHOLE WORLD unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19.
The question now is, will you trust and believe in him as your savior and be reconciled unto God?
You don't understand the Gospel.
God sees ALL THINGS in his Son Jesus Christ. As far as God is concerned Jesus has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil and now sits in heaven as... "The King of Kings and the Lord of Lords" Revelation 19:16.
The scripture says that Jesus has reconciled us and THE WHOLE WORLD unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19.
The question now is, will you trust and believe in him as your savior and be reconciled unto God?
Simply because nothing is ours until it is received by faith.Why should anyone bother to trust Jesus as their savior and be reconciled to God, if, in fact, God has reconciled all of humanity to Himself already?
Is faith received by faith?Simply because nothing is ours until it is received by faith.
Salvation has been provided for everyone, but not all want it. It must be received by faith or it is not ours.
Simply because nothing is ours until it is received by faith.
Salvation has been provided for everyone, but not all want it. It must be received by faith or it is not ours.
The reconciled to God by the death of His Son Rom 5:10If one believes that they have been reconciled unto God by Jesus Christ, they will reject the Calvinist doctrine of predestination. It is not possible to believe both doctrines. Why would one believe that they have been predestinated by God and then believe that they have been reconciled unto God by Jesus Christ?
There is no scripture anywhere in the Bible that says anyone has been predestinated to salvation by God. The word "Predestination" only appears in the Bible about 4 times, while words like "faith" and "believe" appear hundreds of times.
Scriptures that Calvinist use to try and prove predestination.
Ephesians 1:4. According as he has chosen us in him before the foundation of the world.
God chose all of humanity in Jesus Christ before the foundation of the world. Jesus is the savior of the whole world, John 3:17.
Ephesians 1:5. Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ.
All Christians are adopted into Jesus Christ when they first believe.
Ephesians 1:11. In whom also we have obtained an inheritance being predestinated according to the purpose of him who works all things after the counsel of his own will. This scripture applies to all believers, 1 Peter 1:4. Not just Calvinist.
Romans 8:29. For whom he did foreknow, he also predestinated to be conformed to the image of his Son. All believers are being conformed to the image of Jesus Christ. It is the Holy Spirit working in their lives, Ephesians 2:10.
Romans 8:30. Moreover, whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified. We are all called to come to Christ. The Holy Spirit is in the world calling all to come to Christ. Not just some.
There is no scripture there or in the Bible that says God predestinates some to heaven and others to hell.
Who are the elect?
The elect are those that have elected (chosen) to believe in Jesus for their salvation by their own free will.
Jesus has ALREADY reconciled us and the world unto God, no predestination needed.
"And all things are of God, who has reconciled us and the world unto to himself by Jesus Christ" 2 Corinthians 5:18-19.
How does Jesus reconcile us and the world unto God? Jesus, as God's new Adam and our representative has fulfilled all of the demands of God's Holy Law. Having fulfilled the law, he abolished it, Ephesians 2:15. Jesus has atoned for our sins and the sins of the whole word, 1 John 2:2. We now stand in God's Holy Court as perfect and complete in him, Colossians 2:10.
Humanity is require to reconcile themselves to God.
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False, God reconciled those Christ died for to Himself Col 1:20-22
20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
That word reconciled apokatallassō:
So Christs death has completely reconciled the people He died for, back to God.
- to reconcile completely
- to reconcile back again
- bring back a former state of harmony
It wasn't mans responsibility to do that, but Christs responsibility, and He accomplished it, by His death.
You trying to give humanity credit for what Christ should have all the credit for !
Paul said that Jesus has reconciled us and the whole world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19. This is why salvation is by grace through faith. It appears to me that you believe that you can reconcile yourself unto God by what you do.I quite agree with you. I was attempting to expose the false logic of Robert Pate. The concept of universal reconciliation either means universal salvation or it means a form of partial reconciliation (which is hardly universal in that aspect) which requires humanity to perform its portion of the covenant in order to achieve salvation.
Paul said that Jesus has reconciled us and the whole world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19. This is why salvation is by grace through faith. It appears to me that you believe that you can reconcile yourself unto God by what you do.
That world is justified from all sin !Paul said that Jesus has reconciled us and the whole world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19. This is why salvation is by grace through faith. It appears to me that you believe that you can reconcile yourself unto God by what you do.
It’s not.That world is justified from all sin !
Salvation has been provided only for the election of grace. And faith is given them.Simply because nothing is ours until it is received by faith.
Salvation has been provided for everyone, but not all want it. It must be received by faith or it is not ours.
I would have to differ with you. That scripture says of that world, God doesnt impute sin to it, so its Justified from sin 2 Cor 5:19It’s not.
Your assumption is that “world” means every single person. That’s not sustainable as we know that not everyone has been saved.I would have to differ with you. That scripture says of that world, God doesnt impute sin to it, so its Justified from sin 2 Cor 5:19
9 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Now Paul writes in another place the blessedness of those whom God doesnt impute sin Rom 4:6-8
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
So the world of men God doesnt impute sin, also are the blessed ones unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, which righteousness and Justification are one.
Matthew 22:14 It's Plain as day in scripture.If one believes that they have been reconciled unto God by Jesus Christ, they will reject the Calvinist doctrine of predestination. It is not possible to believe both doctrines. Why would one believe that they have been predestinated by God and then believe that they have been reconciled unto God by Jesus Christ?
There is no scripture anywhere in the Bible that says anyone has been predestinated to salvation by God. The word "Predestination" only appears in the Bible about 4 times, while words like "faith" and "believe" appear hundreds of times.
Scriptures that Calvinist use to try and prove predestination.
Ephesians 1:4. According as he has chosen us in him before the foundation of the world.
God chose all of humanity in Jesus Christ before the foundation of the world. Jesus is the savior of the whole world, John 3:17.
Ephesians 1:5. Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ.
All Christians are adopted into Jesus Christ when they first believe.
Ephesians 1:11. In whom also we have obtained an inheritance being predestinated according to the purpose of him who works all things after the counsel of his own will. This scripture applies to all believers, 1 Peter 1:4. Not just Calvinist.
Romans 8:29. For whom he did foreknow, he also predestinated to be conformed to the image of his Son. All believers are being conformed to the image of Jesus Christ. It is the Holy Spirit working in their lives, Ephesians 2:10.
Romans 8:30. Moreover, whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified. We are all called to come to Christ. The Holy Spirit is in the world calling all to come to Christ. Not just some.
There is no scripture there or in the Bible that says God predestinates some to heaven and others to hell.
Who are the elect?
The elect are those that have elected (chosen) to believe in Jesus for their salvation by their own free will.
Jesus has ALREADY reconciled us and the world unto God, no predestination needed.
"And all things are of God, who has reconciled us and the world unto to himself by Jesus Christ" 2 Corinthians 5:18-19.
How does Jesus reconcile us and the world unto God? Jesus, as God's new Adam and our representative has fulfilled all of the demands of God's Holy Law. Having fulfilled the law, he abolished it, Ephesians 2:15. Jesus has atoned for our sins and the sins of the whole word, 1 John 2:2. We now stand in God's Holy Court as perfect and complete in him, Colossians 2:10.
I dont assume that. I stated that the world consist of those who God doesn't impute sin.Your assumption is that “world” means every single person. That’s not sustainable as we know that not everyone has been saved.
I can accept that you don't believe only Calvinists are the elect but you can't speak for everyone who supports Calvinism. And some on paper may agree they're not but there are many who don't demonstrate such by their actions and words. I suspect with some not all the saying other people can be the elect is mere window dressing. (but maybe not that way with you) If it wasn't I'd expect to see more rhetoric like dear beloved brethren, or brother or sister in talking to each other. I don't see that as much as one should.
Both have choice, unlike what I take to be an implication of your statement, as if predestining some and not others means that the others chose, but those he predestined had no choice. (Unless, that is, your take is just the opposite. But the fact remains, all have will and all have choice.)So here's an offbeat idea. Maybe God predestined the elect, and the rest could go either way. Or put another way those who aren't the pre elect can still make the choice to follow Jesus.
Maybe that's what Paul meant in 1 Corinthians 15:23.
And that’s not everyone.I dont assume that. I stated that the world consist of those who God doesn't impute sin.
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