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Recent developments and a dilemma...

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That sounds like a good idea, an atheist friend of mine said "The bible is the militant [atheist]'s best friend", though it gets a bit time consuming : P!

Considering the popular methods of defending christianity today, I would agree, at least to an extent. Too many times I've witnessed atheists taking christians to task on what the text actually says. I don't doubt the good intentions of people trying to make the Bible more palatable, but it says what it says, and it's available for anyone to read. Besides, it's we that are in need of adjustment, not the scriptures. So the atheist will have debate success against the christian with compromised interpretations. But if the Bible is true, it's only a friend to those who believe it.
 
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'Sup chums! Earlier tonight (hang on, that's yesterday...) (in the UK of course) I had a strange feeling come over me. For the last two years or so I've been what I like to call a militant atheist, I'd happily argue with anyone who displayed the slightest trace of religion and ended up living with what was essentially an atheist faith (in my own view at the time, yes, this is a paradox!) seeing as I'd stopped listening to evidence and had utterly convinced myself that there was no god, that prayer didn't work and all that jazz.
But over the past... four days or so something changed inside me, that militant atheist had lain down his weapons and gone for a smoke, which is why I started posting on here (well, that change and a rather angry referral by a close friend of mine), slowly I've started to really think about it and I'm gradually starting to understand the possibility of god. I'll say this now, this worries me deeply.
Over the past few months I've managed to prove to myself (whether this is right or wrong remains to be seen) that God is imaginary, that the bible is nothing but lies and that Jesus wasn't as great as he was cracked up to be. Now I've got a problem, if I accept Christianity and start believing in god (which is possible) I will end up potentially hating myself for agreeing with a religion which (through my MAism) I've not found all that nice. It would also mean giving up lots of things that I think are important, my moral position on homosexuality and the like. So here's the crux of the problem (pun intended), if I become a Christian and all that fire and brimstone hell and whatnot is true, then I'll have to give up my morals to avoid it, but if I remain militant atheist, or at least moderate atheist I can keep my morals as they are and be happy with myself for it, I just don't know what to do...
athiest huh? Thats the absolute most ignorant thing to call yourself IMO. To call yourself an athiest is to say that God doesn't exist. The problem is, there is no exact definition that everyone uses to define what "God" is. Some people worship the moon as God. Ever think about how strange you look to them saying that the moon doesn't exist?

As for morals, I'm not sure they'd change as much as you think.

You're probably getting facts about christian morals from watching other christians rather than reading the bible. Most christians today dont even follow the teachings of the bible. They pick out the rules they like the most and live by those.

There isn't anything Jesus aid that would have anyone think that chritianity was an immoral religion. You'd probably agree with a lot of what he said if you read the words that he spoke.


oh, and even if you were to live a christian life, if you still dont believe in God, or that Jesus is the son of god, according to the bible, you'll still go to hell.
 
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I will end up potentially hating myself for agreeing with a religion which (through my MAism) I've not found all that nice.
Shift your discussions with friends a bit, so that they are challenged more than threatened -- spur them on to live out a better life, no matter what they believe.
 
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Thanks again for all the replies, I've come to a decision, for now at least. I'm going to remain an atheist. You see, the problem I've had with accepting the logic behind Christianity is that I'm a very logical person, I think a lot about what I choose to do or believe and at the moment I can't accept Christianity as being right, it just doesn't make sense to me. One of the primary reasons behind this is the number of different 'Christian' churches, like one of you said "People shouldn't "choose" religions the way that they choose their favorite flavors of ice cream." but that's what having to choose a church looks like to me, to an atheist at least, it looks like you're trying to dress up something that is difficult to take as it is, and that's not for me.

Thanks again for the replies, I'll stick around

All the best,

Simonski

No worries. You have your whole life to come to a final decision. However long or short that life may be.

If Atheism works for you. That is fine. You say you are a logical person.

I believe that you are just as guided by emotions as I am but that they have lead you in a different direction then my own.

I wish you the Best, Always, May you Find what you seek.

If you have any more questions, feel free to ask them here. I am sure many here will be more then happy to answer them as best they can.

God Bless

Key.
 
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