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[xr022kbKr02h]

Do Christian belive in recarnation? If not, here is a strange report from a book, i won't say which.

A five years old girl told her parents one day suddenly that in her previous life, she stayed at 'x village' in certain part of India and died from a deasease at the age of 46. She also told her parents her name in her privious life and some details like her telephone number, etc. Her mum thought that she was only making it up. A week later, her mum saw on a documentry that there is an 'x-village' in India. Further checking founded out that whatever the five years old girl had said was true. The girl had only watched cartoons on television and had never gone oversea before, thus, it was unlikly that she was making all this up.

I am sure this is not the only 'prove' on recarnation, so how can one explain this? I found this strange too and also have some doupt on it. But i like to hear your views.

 

[Rafael]

No, Christians do not believe in reincarnation, but one life lived here before God which will be judged for the works done in the flesh - whether good or evil.

Stories and reports of demonic activity are not surprising as satan is very active as a powerful enemy to God and mankind. There is no lie that he will not employ in his rage and hatred expressed towards us. He will enter and occupy any house or body that will allow him in and pollute and destroy it. The Bible says that it is not flesh and blood that we battle against, but powers and pricipalities in high places. These powers are spiritual enemies, and it is no surprise that satan will present himself to us and others as enlightenment and hidden knowledge. His truth is usually counterfeit or out of context with the truth.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

 

[tasada]

No, Christians do not believe in reincarnation, but one life lived here before God which will be judged for the works done in the flesh - whether good or evil.

Is there certain scripture to back this up? Or am I missing it in what you already posted?

 

[wonder111]

i was reading an article on beliefnet.com and it said around 20% of Christians believe in reincarnation, there were some articles written on the subject. It was interesting

 

[onikirimaru777]

i do and im a christian. I dont really want to discuss my views though because, inevitably, my views will always be declared unchristian and all that fun stuff.

 

[wonder111]

i do and im a christian. I dont really want to discuss my views though because, inevitably, my views will always be declared unchristian and all that fun stuff.

I don't discuss all of my views either, someone will end up telling me i'm unChristian. sometimes things are better left between ourselves and God.

 

[Svt4Him]

Do Christian belive in recarnation? If not, here is a strange report from a book, i won't say which.

A five years old girl told her parents one day suddenly that in her previous life, she stayed at 'x village' in certain part of India and died from a deasease at the age of 46. She also told her parents her name in her privious life and some details like her telephone number, etc. Her mum thought that she was only making it up. A week later, her mum saw on a documentry that there is an 'x-village' in India. Further checking founded out that whatever the five years old girl had said was true. The girl had only watched cartoons on television and had never gone oversea before, thus, it was unlikly that she was making all this up.

I am sure this is not the only 'prove' on recarnation, so how can one explain this? I found this strange too and also have some doupt on it. But i like to hear your views.

Give me a cite for this. I've never seen an article that has a person's phone number in it, nor any documentry that says...This is person x, her phone number use to be 555-5555. Sorry, even Christian stories like these I don't believe.

 

[Lyle]

Do Christian belive in recarnation? If not, here is a strange report from a book, i won't say which.

The Bible doesn't think so, it states that men die once and come to judgement...

A five years old girl told her parents one day suddenly that in her previous life, she stayed at 'x village' in certain part of India and died from a deasease at the age of 46. She also told her parents her name in her privious life and some details like her telephone number, etc. Her mum thought that she was only making it up. A week later, her mum saw on a documentry that there is an 'x-village' in India. Further checking founded out that whatever the five years old girl had said was true. The girl had only watched cartoons on television and had never gone oversea before, thus, it was unlikly that she was making all this up.

I once read a book about a man that went down to the titanic, while he was swimming... later pictures showed up on the internet... So what, even though these pictures were proved to be taken by Bob ballard on a dive team....

I am sure this is not the only 'prove' on recarnation, so how can one explain this? I found this strange too and also have some doupt on it. But i like to hear your views.

Do you believe in demonic activity? If you look at all the sightings and encounters with the 3rd kind, you'll find it's nothing more then demons attempting to decieve the world... On the gorunds that the story you read was even true....

 

[xr022kbKr02h]

Do you believe in demonic activity? If you look at all the sightings and encounters with the 3rd kind, you'll find it's nothing more then demons attempting to decieve the world... On the gorunds that the story you read was even true....

But all this encounter of the 3rd kind or ghost seems to have nothign to do with the demonic activity...(at least is seems that way to me). Lets put it this way, nothing good seems to goes to the devil by playing all this tricks all the people. The people won't belive in the devil by seeing all this ghostly things!

By the way, the above comment made me thouoght of a new quesion. The Bibble had only sad that God created this Earth, so is there a chance that there is another planet with life in this universe? It may not be nessary be created by any God or watever, simply a natural syntoms(wrong spelling!)

 

[Pseud]

Is there certain scripture to back this up? Or am I missing it in what you already posted?

Hebrews 9

26 Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.

27 Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,

28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

If there's another one that someone knows of I'd love to hear it..

 

[Rafael]

Is there certain scripture to back this up? Or am I missing it in what you already posted?

There are many scriptures about resurrection from the dead, Christ being the first of many that would come after Him - this being foundational doctrine.
The first resurrection is of the just, and the second is for the rest that did not accept God's propitionary work done through the life and death of Jesus, His Son.

Hebrews 6:1 ¶ Wherefore leaving the doctrine of the first principles of Christ, let us press on unto perfection; not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 of the teaching of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: over these the second death hath no power; but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

2 Corinthians 5:1 ¶ For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:

2 Corinthians 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: 7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight: ) 8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

 

[tasada]

just what I was looking for. much thanks!

 

[Serapha]

i was reading an article on beliefnet.com and it said around 20% of Christians believe in reincarnation, there were some articles written on the subject. It was interesting

Hi there!




Well, those 20 percent of nominal Christians do not hold to this truth....


Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:


I have edited this posting just so there is no confusion. The Greek text in Hebrews 9:27 is the word, pothnesko, meaning


1) to die

a) of the natural death of man

b) of the violent death of man or animals

c) to perish by means of something

d) of trees which dry up, of seeds which rot when planted e) of eternal death, to be subject to eternal misery in hell

The Bible doesn't teach that one dies again and again.

~malaka~

 

[Rafael]

Hi there!




Well, those 20 percent of nominal Christians do not hold to this truth....


Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:


I have edited this posting just so there is no confusion. The Greek text in Hebrews 9:27 is the word, pothnesko, meaning


1) to die

a) of the natural death of man

b) of the violent death of man or animals

c) to perish by means of something

d) of trees which dry up, of seeds which rot when planted e) of eternal death, to be subject to eternal misery in hell

The Bible doesn't teach that one dies again and again.

~malaka~

That was the exact verse I was hunting for - you found it for me and Tasada, hitting the nail on the head - thanks!

 

[Follower of Christ]

Is there certain scripture to back this up? Or am I missing it in what you already posted?

And as it is appointed to men once to die, but after this the judgment,

(Heb 9:27)

 

[Lyle]

But all this encounter of the 3rd kind or ghost seems to have nothign to do with the demonic activity...(at least is seems that way to me). Lets put it this way, nothing good seems to goes to the devil by playing all this tricks all the people. The people won't belive in the devil by seeing all this ghostly things!

Didn't say they would believe after seeing.... But tell me, have you studied many encounter's of the 3rd kind, and their dialogue evry time they are seen?

 

[SolomonVII]

Today, practically no Christian denomination, with the possible exception of Unity, would believe in reincarnation. The concept of reaching perfection through a series of rebirths runs contrary to the doctrine that we are saved through our faith alone, and not through our works. However, in terms of whether or not the concept or reinincarnation is Biblical, there is a possibility that some early Christians, under the influence of Gnostic or Platonic thought, may have believed in reincarnation.

The one specific Biblical reference that I am referring to would be whether or not John the Baptist was the reincarnation of Elijah. Elijah, like Enoch, was believed by all three of the monothiestic religions to have been taken up into heaven without first experiencing physical death, so maybe this was a special case.

The relevant OT scripture that some early Christians believed prophesied Elijah to be John is in Malachi, the last book of the Hebrew bible. In Malachi 4.5 it states "But before the great and terrible day of the Lord, I will send you the prophet Elijah..."
Now since in Malachi 3.1 there is the prophesy that God will send a mesenger to prepare the way for him, and many Christians believe that this alludes to John the Baptist, the connection between John and Elijah is established.

In Mark 9.11-13 just after the Transfiguration, we read "and they said 'Why do the teachers of the Law say that Elijah has to come first?' His answer was ' Elijah is indeed coming first to get everything ready. ... I tell you however that Elijah has already come and the people treated him just as they pleased,.."
That Jesus was talking about John the Baptist is reinforced in Matthew 11.13-17 where it is written "until the time of John, all the prophets and the Law of Moses spoke about the Kingdom and if you are willing to believe their message, John is Elijah, whose coming was predicted. Listen then if you have ears!"

Now since John the Baptist was born to Elizabeth, if John is to be considered to be Elijah, this would seem to support the idea of reincarnation.

But ,contrarily, the Gospel of John, clearly speaks against this interpretation. I am referring to John 1: 21 where the Jewish authorities ask John the Baptist straight out "Are you Elijah?" and John replies "No, I am not." For this and other reasons many scholars have come to believe that John was written to specifically counter the growing Gnostic influence in early Christian thought. The vast majority of Christians today would interpret any Biblical allusions of John being Elijah to mean that John was sent forth "in the spirit of Elijah".


As any Buddhist would tell you, the concept of endlessly being reborn is psychologically distressing. Far from becoming immortal, reincarnation traps us into an a seemingly eternal life of endless suffering and sin. To reach a state of perfection through our own works is as difficult as a "camel passing through the eye of a needle." But by accepting Christ's gift of eternal salvation, we are already free.

 

[RevJP]

But all this encounter of the 3rd kind or ghost seems to have nothign to do with the demonic activity...(at least is seems that way to me). Lets put it this way, nothing good seems to goes to the devil by playing all this tricks all the people. The people won't belive in the devil by seeing all this ghostly things!

The objective is not to get people to believe in satan rather it is to get people to believe in something other than God. To create apparations, UFO's, reincarnation, etc. Satan effectively diverts the attention of people and causes them to place thier belief in something other than Christ.

 

[BarbB]

Satan is not called the deceiver for nothing!

 

[Serapha]

Today, practically no Christian denomination, with the possible exception of Unity, would believe in reincarnation. The concept of reaching perfection through a series of rebirths runs contrary to the doctrine that we are saved through our faith alone, and not through our works. However, in terms of whether or not the concept or reinincarnation is Biblical, there is a possibility that some early Christians, under the influence of Gnostic or Platonic thought, may have believed in reincarnation.

The one specific Biblical reference that I am referring to would be whether or not John the Baptist was the reincarnation of Elijah. Elijah, like Enoch, was believed by all three of the monothiestic religions to have been taken up into heaven without first experiencing physical death, so maybe this was a special case.

The relevant OT scripture that some early Christians believed prophesied Elijah to be John is in Malachi, the last book of the Hebrew bible. In Malachi 4.5 it states "But before the great and terrible day of the Lord, I will send you the prophet Elijah..."
Now since in Malachi 3.1 there is the prophesy that God will send a mesenger to prepare the way for him, and many Christians believe that this alludes to John the Baptist, the connection between John and Elijah is established.

In Mark 9.11-13 just after the Transfiguration, we read "and they said 'Why do the teachers of the Law say that Elijah has to come first?' His answer was ' Elijah is indeed coming first to get everything ready. ... I tell you however that Elijah has already come and the people treated him just as they pleased,.."
That Jesus was talking about John the Baptist is reinforced in Matthew 11.13-17 where it is written "until the time of John, all the prophets and the Law of Moses spoke about the Kingdom and if you are willing to believe their message, John is Elijah, whose coming was predicted. Listen then if you have ears!"

Now since John the Baptist was born to Elizabeth, if John is to be considered to be Elijah, this would seem to support the idea of reincarnation.

But ,contrarily, the Gospel of John, clearly speaks against this interpretation. I am referring to John 1: 21 where the Jewish authorities ask John the Baptist straight out "Are you Elijah?" and John replies "No, I am not." For this and other reasons many scholars have come to believe that John was written to specifically counter the growing Gnostic influence in early Christian thought. The vast majority of Christians today would interpret any Biblical allusions of John being Elijah to mean that John was sent forth "in the spirit of Elijah".


As any Buddhist would tell you, the concept of endlessly being reborn is psychologically distressing. Far from becoming immortal, reincarnation traps us into an a seemingly eternal life of endless suffering and sin. To reach a state of perfection through our own works is as difficult as a "camel passing through the eye of a needle." But by accepting Christ's gift of eternal salvation, we are already free.

Hi there!



The discussion that John the Baptist was a reincarnation of Elijah is settled quite simply. They asked John the Baptist is he was Elijah, and he said, "NO" He didn't hesitate. He said "no".

John 1:21-23
21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet And he answered, No.
22 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?
23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.


~malaka~