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If the prodigal doesn't respond to the urge/pull to repent/return, then he's still 'dead' so long as that refusal continues. We can't ourselves guess whether some individual still may relent at some future time, and admit the truth of Christ, and whether someone may relent later who looks so gone to our eyes now.What would have happened had the wayward son not decided to return? The father considered him dead. I knew a Messianic Jew about 4 decades ago, when his parents sat Shiva for him, decided to return to orthodox Judaism.
Sorry, but you have some more studying to do.You are insinuating that from what you mentioned above that Christ loses some of the elect. Therefore saying Gods lying about His promise in losing nothing according to vs 39.
Welcome, Dave, glad you can join us!I don't think spiritual blindness, per se, is in effect during most of the doctrinal differences that we experience.
The disagreement about how to interpret Scripture is not a factor of blindness, but a factor of how one CHOOSES to interpret God's Word.
Perhaps we should start here, even though this verse
is about non-believers who cannot “see” the Truth
of the gospel message:
“Satan, who is the god of this world, has
blinded the minds of those who don’t believe.”
(1 Corinthians 4:4)
Satan can also cause BACs to be “blind” in some areas! He is the greatest liar and deceiver in the history of the world:
“the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world” (Revelation 12:9)
“he is a master of deception and the father of lies!” (John 8:44)
Satan is able to blind some BACs (incl. pastors) from seeing various spiritual truths … OR … there wouldn’t be so many warnings about:
● being deceived
● habitual (unrepentant) sinning
● falling away from the faith
● being estranged from Christ
● falling from grace
● not inheriting the kingdom of God and Christ
● not being allowed into the New Jerusalem
● being blotted out of the Book of Life
● drawing back to perdition, etc.
Apparently, many BACs do NOT “see”
the dire warnings written in the NT.
Some BACs (incl. pastors) DO see them,
but refuse to accept them!
Now let’s look at BACs who REALLY ARE
“blind” to these warnings!
What can cause BACs to be spiritually blind
about God’s warnings?
● HIDDEN WARNINGS ● In the epistles, warnings are “somewhat hidden” amongst everything else including edifications, encouragements, exhortations, etc. Compounding this, Paul usually wrote with extreme tact so he would still be welcome to visit the churches that he founded. Also, the Lord did not want these warnings to upset the babes in Christ.
● ETERNAL SECURITY DOCTRINE ● This popular doctrine has obviously caused many believers to feel dangerously safe and secure. To others, this doctrine has an opposite effect: they have appreciated what God has done for them so much that their enormous love for Him has caused them to be willing to obey His commandments.
● HYPER-GRACE DOCTRINE ● The popular doctrines of hyper-grace, grace-only, etc. teach that BACs have
NO responsibility or accountability for their salvation.
This is obviously false. One simple example of the
many “conditional” type of verses is: “IF you continue
to believe the gospel message I taught you,
you will be saved.” (1 Corinthians 15:1-2).
● DECEIVED PASTORS ● Many pastors are deceived
into believing some of the false doctrines above. These shepherds are failing in their duty to warn their sheep concerning things which are vital to their spiritual well-being! The blood of the sheep who don’t make it
(who have NOT been properly warned about their responsibilities) will be on the hands of their pastors!
(No matter what the pastors’ reasons/excuses are.)
Yes, brother, we cannot judge IF or WHEN ...If the prodigal doesn't respond to the urge/pull to repent/return, then he's still 'dead' so long as that refusal continues. We can't ourselves guess whether some individual still may relent at some future time, and admit the truth of Christ, and whether someone may relent later who looks so gone to our eyes now.
What?Well someone within, turned the church from the Kingdom and rejoined the world of man when church re-aligned with State. They certainly could not teach the opposing Gospel of the Kingdom once having done that.
Ironic that the gospel that nullified the Gospel of the Kingdom, gets nullified.
Sorry, pal ... everything's a learning process!BAC?
So your studying brought you to the conclusion that vs 39 is a lie and by doing so you are trying to convince others that salvation is merited in some way by the works of men. No gospel nor Christ in your messageSorry, but you have some more studying to do.
The elect can choose to fall away, etc.
They are not robots, etc.
Please carefully consider post #8,
and see what you come up with, okay?
What's BAC?
BAC?
Ahhhh......Sorry, BAC = Born-Again Christian
You're all hung up on v.39, whatever that is!So your studying brought you to the conclusion that vs 39 is a lie and by doing so you are trying to convince others that salvation is merited in some way by the works of men. No gospel nor Christ in your message
Many thanks for the insightful comments.Ahhhh......
Welcome, Dave, glad you can join us!
Okay, some obviously choose, but some are blind.
(Both types are in the OP.)
E.G. A younger pastor may interpret a verse in a
certain way, but 30 years hence, he sees it in a
totally different light, from a different perspective.
When younger, he was blind to the deeper insight.
Okay, may we get down to some serious business?I guess what I wrote came out the way it did is because I have a stronger interpretation of what spiritual blindness is. In my thinking it's Satan pulling a veil over someone's eyes.
I have spiritual eye salve....Okay, may we get down to some serious business?
What do you think about someone who cannot "see"
the dire warnings in the NT about losing salvation?
Spiritually blind, or not?
Sayin' it ain't the same as havin' it.I have spiritual eye salve....
Are you saying I don't have spiritual eyes?Sayin' it ain't the same as havin' it.
Okay, may we get down to some serious business?
What do you think about someone who cannot "see"
the dire warnings in the NT about losing salvation?
Spiritually blind, or not?
If you don't see the many NT versesAre you saying I don't have spiritual eyes?
IMO, your post is not clear.The only thing that can reach them is for the veil to be removed from their eyes, and that takes a serious intervention by the Holy Spirit.
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