Really? Trinity?

[TheBarrd]

Too precious...

Thank you for sharing with me, Katie.

 

[2ducklow]

~....well we got back to Medjugorje, and at some point I asked if I could see Mary, but I did not want her to be hurt, by us sinner types, nor did I want her to go out of her way. She appeard to me in a Mass. A catholic Mass, but in the way I always wanted to see her. I always wanted to know how she looked when she was older. After it was done, even today I still have too many emotions to say much, but just like any mother then, she told me something wordlessly. It was in the fabric of her coat. She described what sin was to me, using that fabric as for her to get to me, she had to go by hundreds of people all less perfect than she. I knew this. I did not want her to do that. She did anyway. She gifted herself to me, but in the way I always wanted. Just like a loving mother would.
19 1/2 months later, my life was pefect i thought. Yes I still missed God terribly after seeing him, and I had many excursions and disapointments, as I was sure he would not leave me on earth this long after seeing Him. I was slowly losing it. Maybe my heart was breaking. You see, I fell in love with God, instantly when I say Him. At least that is what I think happened.
Looking over to that place where he was now, I said to him: "You can't leave me like this. You can't" He did. "Eighteen months. Eighteen months. I can stand it that long." In eighteen months I wen to church, sure that he would take me our of here. Off from earth. It didn't happen.
Then one day I had a Jesus and Mary encounter, in my dining room. Next in 19 months or so, I am talking to Jesus, again in my dining room. He is so pleased with what I tell him that I can feel his pleasure in his stomache on one side. That day, my life was set to me. I did not want eternal life. I had told him that. That is what pleased him. He had already known I did not want eternal life for three and a half years now. I just never knew that he knew. I asked for a few favors, and I asked if I could keep working for God as it was too miuch fun, while I awaited my ceassing to exist. That is one of the things I asked of him. I wanted to merely cease to exist, like God says he can do, destroy both body and sould in heaven. I wanted that. I ddi now want eternal life. I hoped God granted that. I had no feelings one way or another. I wanted nothing for my time on earth that had to do with anything that I did right. "Just give it away" I also asked to be forgiven for anything I had done wrong, while soon knowing what I have done wrong is far greater than anything I have done right, so I almost felt and aksed for mercy on those items. Now feeling horrible about my time on earth and forever, my life was no set.
I knew, preciselly how my life was going to go, until the day, I ceased to exist. I hoped it could be painless, the ceasing to exist, but I told Jesus that I would understand if could not be. I was set. I loved my life then. It was serene. I knew as I said, exactly the way my life would be till the day, I ceased to exist. I would be allowed to work for God, and then one day, nothing.
About a month later, I am in my dining room again. The two pictures, now move, are on top of the cabinet. The left one is of Mary, the right one is of Jesus. These are always directly in front of me. It is about 2:30 in the afternoon. I am kneeling down. It is the 3:00 Adoration hour. It is something I am allowd to do. God the Father approaches from out in the distance. At first I didn't know it was him. I just felt something approaching. Soon it was him. He came closer and closer. Every consiousness is gone but him I am not even sure now if my ceiling was there then. I see the clouds, the lower layer is pushed aside. They are all piled up, around the edges. A thinner layer of clouds is just above. I can see the lights of God The Father, as they penetrate these clouds. It is an acitive color. he is moving or his colors are ever dancing. I don't know. I can totally feel Him. He is unmistakeable. Now I have worked with and for him for many years. Never has he approached me in all his power, all his regalness. This is way different. I wait. A person pops up out of the left hand side, my left, of the rolled up layer of clouds. i am upset. Internally I say outloud but internally: " What is he talking for. Who is he. He should not be talking. He has been saying words. I rembered them all. When my internal objections were over, I continued to listen. When he was done. I was anything but, anything but, concerned. Me. Me. He is asking me. There are all these more beautiful girsls in the world and he is asking me. This is not time for flattery. I pushed that asside. Humility. This will require infinite humility. (I didn't know if I had that.) I wonder how I feel about him. I checked my feelings. Not enough came back. My life has been horrible with relationships. I can' t hut him. I wonder if he knows what I am thinking. Must block all thoughts. Feel can you love this guy enough. Nothing comes back thatg is certain. I don't want him to go away. This is for eternity. I have to be right. I cannot hurt him for eteni....... so on and so forth. He leaves. I am startled. Said to me in departing is this: "I would not have asked you if you were not up to it" Up to it? Up to it? Up to wha? Humility? What. He is gone. I know nothing except this particular question will be asked of me only three times. What ever my answer is, that will be it.
Day two arrives. I am set. He comes. That angel who I later found out was Gabriel after this was all over starts to speak. Word for word and acttion for action I do exactly what I did on day one, only the fact that this other guy is talking to me, that no longer bothers me. Day three comes. Whatever I planned to say, if I planned to say something, it was lost almost instantly, when Gabriel started to speak for God The Father again. (I already knew how that worked. I have know for more than a year now. So later that did not bother me). Part way into those words a no is heard by me in my head. It is not a real no. A little panicked maybe. "I don't know what I am going to say. I don't. I say to myself in my internal voice." The last words are comiing. I knew something about God though. I knew something. When the words were finished YES! came out of my mouth. Instantly hundreds to thousands to millions maybe of voices started in. Everyone who was silent now started to talk. Katerina has just said YES! She has just said yes to God The Father. To his question of : Will you marry me. That occurred in the fall of 2007. Later I talked of this, and my command to get a spiritual director happenened. In a fleece type of test issued to me, even the Catholic Church has a verification this is all true. Because I am transgendered and old, the Psychologist assigned to me essentially said, yes it is true, as you are no form of mental pathology, a medical mystic for real, and we have gotten corroborations from others on you, that indeed you are a Christian Mystic, now here is paperwork to protect you from all those who would hurt you, calling you not a female in a male body, and those that would say, you are mentally ill rather than a real mystic.~
Those are the high points of one of my experiences.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina, the name He called me by one day, and the name I use and love.
Now I fully expect to be called a lot of bad things for what I have just said. There are two here who will now probably drive me out of here verbally. You asked TheBaard. That is my God Story, except, later I found out that I was totally prepared to understand that question. I was prepared for more than thirty years. I had to understand that question, or how could I answer it accurately.
...Katie., He, They and ..... .

And I am sorry, that there are spelling errors here, I am totally exhausted and need a break.

Katerinah is a guy. That explains a lot. since TheBarrd has me on iggy, she ain't gonna know that. Nobody tell her.

 

[katerinah1947]

Hi,
I will depart for awhile now.
...Katerina.,

 

[Ripheus27]

Yep, that's GIBBERISH. As far as MY opinion is concerned. Either God IS God or He is not. And in order to BE God, He MUST be who He SAYS He IS. And one of the attributes of GOD is that He cannot DIE. So that means that the Son CANNOT BE God. Doesn't take 'rocket science' to figure that one out. It just doesn't AGREE with what you WANT to believe.

So God was speaking metaphorically when He said He can do all things, but literally when He said He can't die? When Jesus speaks of those who believe in Him that they shall not die, isn't He talking about the second death? So maybe God can die the first death but not the second one. How should I know? (Even if I think I do.)

You have already ADMITTED that you DO NOT believe in the Bible. Yet you choose to TOY with scripture as if it is merely a bunch of SENTENCES you can manipulate in any manner that FITS what you want to believe. If you don't believe in the Bible, WHY would you QUOTE 'scripture'?

I believe my average opinion on this matter--it frequently changes to degrees--is that the Bible is best compared to a jury's evidence packet about Christ, something that we are justified in thinking about Jesus based on, but not as if it were always literally or infallibly true.

When scripture offers that God can do ALL things. That is NOT a statement that He can DO 'anything' that would cause Him to CEASE to be GOD. Otherwise He is not God to begin with. That's the manner in which SATAN operates. He IS the 'Father of LIES' and therefore the "Father of DECEPTION". It is DECEPTION to even indicate that the scripture offers in any LITERAL sense that God can DO 'all things'. If that's true, then He could BE a 'murderer'. A rapist. A LIAR. ALL those "things" that we SEE in the DECEIVER.

I don't happen to believe that God can make a rock He can't lift, or make 2 + 2 = 5, or whatever. But I was pointing out there's a passage in scripture that seems to contradict yours. On the other hand, maybe it's true that God is able to murder, rape, and lie, but has chosen not to, and since His decision takes place in eternity, it means that He has an absolutely indelibly trustworthy character. I didn't think you'd end up insinuating that Satan is tricking me or trying to get me to trick others or something, but oh well.

So maybe that's the ANSWER to the question of HOW you are able to SEE things COMPLETELY different than myself. Perhaps we are speaking of TWO DIFFERENT 'Gods'. You SAY that Satan is NOT the 'god of this world'. I KNOW that he IS. One of us is COMPLETELY WRONG. I believe that you have proven YOURSELF over and over. You DO NOT believe in the SAME GOD that I DO. If we DID believe in the SAME God, we would have the SAME BELIEFS in that GOD. Since our beliefs are practically the OPPOSITE, the obvious answer is that we are NOT speaking of the SAME God. I defend the God revealed in the Bible. You say you don't BELIEVE in the Bible. So that ought to be ENOUGH for ANYONE to clearly see the TRUTH.

Oh no, I'm pretty sure I kinda believe in a God no one has ever believed in before, except maybe some obscure Hindus or who knows who. Or Thomas Aquinas on an off-day wondering why an infinite God would not exist as an infinite number of Persons. Or, just maybe, Immanuel Kant and Plato and perhaps (on a good day) Hannah Arendt and John Rawls and so many men and women of very valiant spirit who have defended the beauty of good against the despite of evil over the ages, alongside the image of Christ at work in our history. But you confine your judgments to a single book, as if an infinite God would completely represent all of Himself in only one set of pages of things written in one slight fraction of the world's history.

I hope that you really understood what you were attempting to say. I don't have a CLUE. I THINK you were accusing me of ACTING like Jesus is God. If so, you are more foolish than I thought you were. If not, then I have NO IDEA what you are talking about.

Well, besides saying God should be the only one Who the letters "G" and "o" and "d" next to each other in that order ought to be applied to, and the only one of whom we have a metaphysical belief that He only is the eternal creator of the world, and that as only the Father, what does your belief that the Father is "greater" than the Son even amount to? I doubt you'd get very far using only scriptures where Jesus mentions learning from or otherwise being seemingly subordinate to the Father.

Language means NOTHING if one tries to read a STORY one line at a time. They will NEVER understand the MESSAGE, (if there is one). Just a bunch of lines of WORDS.

Well, I do think the Bible has a total message. I think it's very interesting and subtle at various points, like a moral maze as it goes.

You are trying to discuss this issue with someone that is TRYING their best to keep things simple enough for a CHILD to understand. But it seems that MOST of what I have offered is either NOT being comprehended, or DENIED for some other reason.

Apparently there's an obscure mathematical proof of an infinite number of types of infinity, and this is supposed to be easy enough for four-year-olds to understand. So what is the limit when it comes to arguing within the limits of children's reasoning skills?

So maybe you DO worship a God that CAN do 'all things'. And maybe that is why neither of us can come to agreement of exactly WHO or WHAT God IS. For IF your God can do ANY of the things I listed above, he is NOT the SAME God I'm talking about.

So you're abusing the word "can" to accuse me of Satanism! For Pete's sake, that's not even close to fair. Sometimes we say that so-and-so couldn't ever hurt a kitten or something, but this is not meant to imply the inability to, only the lack of a motive to. Now I have argued that God created us in the wrong way, maybe, and that's the deeper original sin, as it were, but I press my Trinitarianism when it comes to this point, because then the Son and the Spirit are seen as the form of God redeemed of the wrong done by the Father. Thus even though the Father is not morally perfect of Himself, we ought to love Him and forgive Him by ceasing to sin ourselves. (Then so as the Father's substantial aseity transfers through the Son to the Spirit, the Spirit's moral aseity transfers through the Son to the Father, and all three are perfect, but the Father's perfection depends on the Son's just as the Son's substance depends on the Father.)

You have mistaken me for someone that you are capable of TOYING with. You can't. You only fool yourself when you begin to THINK that I am here just typing USELESS words. There is POWER in the things that I say and anyone that has an INKLING of the truth within their hearts can FEEL it, actually KNOW it. The Spirit RECOGNIZES The Spirit. So if my words sound hollow or uninspired, I would offer that it's not because they ARE, it's because of an inability to HEAR what I'm saying. Or maybe even an outright OFFENSE to what I offer. I know where such influence STEMS from. Satan hates the TRUTH almost as much as He hates God's Son.

Mormon missionaries said similar kinds of things to me.

 

[terryjohn]

What did Jesus say when asked to reveal the father?

 

[katerinah1947]

Too precious...

Thank you for sharing with me, Katie.

Hi,
You are welcome.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina.

I have recovered slightly. Thank-you.
...Katie.,

 

[katerinah1947]

What did Jesus say when asked to reveal the father?

Hi,
So are you saying, that unless one becomes childlike, maybe even with a child like heart, they cannot know God, normally?????
LOVE and love,
...Kate.,

Parallel Verses
New International Version
At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

New Living Translation
At that time Jesus prayed this prayer: "O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, thank you for hiding these things from those who think themselves wise and clever, and for revealing them to the childlike.

English Standard Version
At that time Jesus declared, “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to little children;

New American Standard Bible
At that time Jesus said, "I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants.

King James Bible
At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
At that time Jesus said, "I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned and revealed them to infants.

International Standard Version
At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from wise and intelligent people and have revealed them to infants.

Hi,
And are you also saying that even my off the charts high intelligence is totally worthless, in knowing God. I say you are, I say also I agree with you.
I remember how slowly God asked me to do things, that are NOT in my opiinion objective. As this progressed, on day with Jesus inside of me, just like a kid would do, I said to HIm, Jesus: "Oh yeah. I can match you." Now why would Jesus allow that. It has always impresed me about Him. Now it is importaint to know that I did not at the time know it was Jesus that was inside of me. I also did not know I was competing against Him. I was competing against ~Infinitely Infinitely Infinitely and then some Tender and also mild~ I did not at the time know who that was. Yet, "Oh yeah. I can match" came out of me. And I was in kid mode. I was.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina.,

 

[katerinah1947]

So God was speaking metaphorically when He said He can do all things, but literally when He said He can't die? When Jesus speaks of those who believe in Him that they shall not die, isn't He talking about the second death? So maybe God can die the first death but not the second one. How should I know? (Even if I think I do.)



I believe my average opinion on this matter--it frequently changes to degrees--is that the Bible is best compared to a jury's evidence packet about Christ, something that we are justified in thinking about Jesus based on, but not as if it were always literally or infallibly true.



I don't happen to believe that God can make a rock He can't lift, or make 2 + 2 = 5, or whatever. But I was pointing out there's a passage in scripture that seems to contradict yours. On the other hand, maybe it's true that God is able to murder, rape, and lie, but has chosen not to, and since His decision takes place in eternity, it means that He has an absolutely indelibly trustworthy character. I didn't think you'd end up insinuating that Satan is tricking me or trying to get me to trick others or something, but oh well.



Oh no, I'm pretty sure I kinda believe in a God no one has ever believed in before, except maybe some obscure Hindus or who knows who. Or Thomas Aquinas on an off-day wondering why an infinite God would not exist as an infinite number of Persons. Or, just maybe, Immanuel Kant and Plato and perhaps (on a good day) Hannah Arendt and John Rawls and so many men and women of very valiant spirit who have defended the beauty of good against the despite of evil over the ages, alongside the image of Christ at work in our history. But you confine your judgments to a single book, as if an infinite God would completely represent all of Himself in only one set of pages of things written in one slight fraction of the world's history.



Well, besides saying God should be the only one Who the letters "G" and "o" and "d" next to each other in that order ought to be applied to, and the only one of whom we have a metaphysical belief that He only is the eternal creator of the world, and that as only the Father, what does your belief that the Father is "greater" than the Son even amount to? I doubt you'd get very far using only scriptures where Jesus mentions learning from or otherwise being seemingly subordinate to the Father.



Well, I do think the Bible has a total message. I think it's very interesting and subtle at various points, like a moral maze as it goes.



Apparently there's an obscure mathematical proof of an infinite number of types of infinity, and this is supposed to be easy enough for four-year-olds to understand. So what is the limit when it comes to arguing within the limits of children's reasoning skills?



So you're abusing the word "can" to accuse me of Satanism! For Pete's sake, that's not even close to fair. Sometimes we say that so-and-so couldn't ever hurt a kitten or something, but this is not meant to imply the inability to, only the lack of a motive to. Now I have argued that God created us in the wrong way, maybe, and that's the deeper original sin, as it were, but I press my Trinitarianism when it comes to this point, because then the Son and the Spirit are seen as the form of God redeemed of the wrong done by the Father. Thus even though the Father is not morally perfect of Himself, we ought to love Him and forgive Him by ceasing to sin ourselves. (Then so as the Father's substantial aseity transfers through the Son to the Spirit, the Spirit's moral aseity transfers through the Son to the Father, and all three are perfect, but the Father's perfection depends on the Son's just as the Son's substance depends on the Father.)



Mormon missionaries said similar kinds of things to me.

Hi,
Ever since God really, in the form of The Holy Spirit would ask me to talk to Mormons/Latter Day Saints, or what ever it is they call themselves now, I learned things after those talks.
The first one I remember after I was given and carried out The Proof That The Bible is Real, and Therefore God is Real, because God is talked about there in that book. I had just left Mass. I don't rember which one. I was in the side parking lot. I saw a couple of Latter Day Saints making rounds in the condo's next to the church. The Holy Spirit prompts me ~Go talk to them. No, I say to him. Instantly I feel bad. I just said no, to The Holy Spirit. He nudges me in feelings. No, maybe I said that a second time. Now, how do you say no to God forevver. Soon I bargain wiith him. "Okay. I will get in my car. I will park it over there. I will get out and walk on the sidwalk. If they come out from their last gruop and meet me. I will talk to them. So I drove across the street, out of the church's parking lot. I parked my car. I got out, I walked on the sidewalk. As I approached the door they were at, they were finished and walked right to me. I did what I said I would do. I started talking. After I was done, I tried to recall the words I heard my mouth say. I then knew I had learned something about The Latter Day Saints. The first thing I learned and it is still true and it is used, is they are Christians by their own words, but just like I am President Obama by my own words. Biblically, it is God who makes us Christians. It is God who gives us faith. That is not how they do it. They decide, they don't choose Christ, they just decide they are christians individually. It is done two ways in general terms, either a feeling a burning in the bosom, or it is just a determination they make, that they are christians. It doesn't work that way. It didn't for me. It doesn't for anyone I know of, but two or three, who were born knowing God is Real and Christ is real, thus fulfilling the words of Christ in the presence of Thomas. Blessed, is he, who has not seen yet believed. Only those born, knowing God is real, are so blessed. The rest of you, it happened earlier for, in my case I was 52 or so. I am 67 now, and my case is typical. It is. So, God The Holy Spirit in each case even after Medjugorje, when I saw Him there up front close and personal, when I approach mormons, has me tell them they don't know what is in the Bible, and many other things. After Medjugorje, but a calling there not just a whim, I then got sick to my stomach instantly. I felt it after that." "Who? Who?> Who do you want me to give up? Jesus. God The Father...? I am sick and bent over at my door. The glass storm door is all that separates me from the door ringers, it is two Latter Day Saints. The Holy Spirit? Who. I soon get worried. Maybe they are hearing what do you want me to give up. Maybe they think they are going to save me, by having me give up alcohol or drugs for them. Maybe they hear that. Steeling myself as quickly as I can, from The Holy Spirit's newest upgrade to my knowledge about Mormons/Latter Day Saints, with feelings now, I then talk to them. It is the same talk The Holy Spirit gave to them though my lips and my vocal cords the fist time. This had never happened before. The feelings. I left them with a decision to make. I turned around, and He, The Holy Spirit wasn't done loving me just yet. I know have an impressive amount of things for the Mormons. I have nothing for the Jehovah's Witnesses. I say that to God above, after turning around. Wordlessly, totally wordlessly Matthew 7:15. I don't remember hearing ANY words nor any sound. I looked it up. But this is about Mormons and not JW's"~
LOVE and love,
...Katie.,

 

[katerinah1947]

Katerinah is a guy. That explains a lot. since TheBarrd has me on iggy, she ain't gonna know that. Nobody tell her.

Okay this gives you no permissions as you still with everyone refuse to adhere to the ground rules, of no insults and no trying to figure out what I am thinking. I set that last rule of engagement for me, because of your getting my thoughts wrong so much of the time.
In my profile it says I am a transgendered woman. You can and should have read that there. TheBaard seems to know that is true, yet she does not see a problem in understanding what that means. Most everyone on this site, has no problems, understanding that a transgendered female, has a female internal gender, just like most Complete Androgen Insensitive Syndrome X-Y females and many many other types.
To say to any of them, to any transgendered person they are men or women on the inside, is interesting. Your fight now, is with the medical people on that. Your fight is with the Psychiatrists on that. It is also with the Psychologists on that. It is also with Medicare on that.
Now, The Trinity is absolutely Real, and I have seen them with my own eyes. Have you? I know the answer. You have not. Yet, to an eye witness, you still affirm that your ideas backed up by your thoughts, your emotions, your ideas, only supported by unsubstantiated allegations about the crediiblility of all those who say they have checked out what I said happened, it is still you who insist they are wrong and that is what you use.
Even in a court of law, you would lose, when I present priests as evidence, the written copy of The spiritual directors findings as evidence, and they are extremely educated, when I present the finding of the psychologists in my case as evidence, what precisely will you present to that judge? Will it be you? Will it be what you have so far?
Is it going to be this , "your honor, I..... I......I ......I....."? Why are you so unembarassed that you say things that are so easily eliminated? That judge would rule against you, and if you insult him, you get thrown in jail.
Is that part of your bravado? Do you feel safe, because no one here has thrown you in jail for you callous remarks? You have 9500 posts between you and Imagican, if I spelled that right, you are extremely not serious, and I still say you are both one in the same person, then you should be, as you are both using bullying tactics, and yes at some point now again, I choose to not talk to you, as you don't play nice. You don't play maturely.
Yes, my body is male, Yes my mind is female, Yes my soul is female, I am told, it is rough, being this way, it is very rough, 45% of us, before we reach the age of 21 try to kill themselves, it is that rough. Other things are rough for me, like my civilian combat life, of more than 45 years. That usually knocks off 10 to 15% of people like me. I have other things, but also that Trinitarian God that does not exist to you, That one, not only keeps me in contact with PTSD, pullled the trigger types from past wars to keep me working for Him, He also helped me being Transgendered in the Way that I am transgendered. Your time with me is up. It is up, for now. Play by the ground rules.
Actually as it is required and it is my priveledge,
LOVE and love,
...Katerina.,

 

[katerinah1947]

Hi,
Someone sent this to me. It is a powerful prayer she said. I noticed it speaks eloquently of the Trinity. It is a spiritual mass, for those that cannot attend in person. I told this woman to send her remarks to the founding of that hermitage. I told her I got that from Him. A hermit.

http://www.2heartsnetwork.org/vine.pdf

LOVE and love,
...Katerina.,

His work has progressed to this point:
Well, as some of you might know, I've been seeking to become a Lay Hermit. After a lot of counceling [thank you every one!] and a lot of poking arround the internet [who'd knew that researching such a theme would give out so many definitions of the word and tutorials on how to become a secular, misanthropist recluse!], I've began drafting my personal Plan of Life, based on the celtic tradiction.

I've been following the following for a few months:

1 - Starting the day with the daily offering and the Lord's prayer.

2 - An early walk though the forest. Silence to enjoy God's work in Nature. Sadly, the areas of untouched wilderness are disappearing and it's getting harder and harder to do. It's my way to remember myself that God is everyehere and we are constantly in His presence.

3 - I do daily Lectio Divina, and writte both what I've studied as my findings down.

4 - I pray before my meals and before preparing the food.

5 - Daily mass, and if that's not possible, I pray the 1896 Spiritual Mass discovered by Suzane Umlor, which is what I usualy do, since I live in a remote location outside any parish.

6 - I make Sobriety, Simplicity and Solitude as my vows. Sadly, since some of my friends have been having mental breaks [and one even tryed to kill himself], I've been breaking away from solitude to help them, and this works as my charity work.

7 - I pray the Divine Mercy chaplet often, sometimes several times a day.

8 - In my prayers, I've adopted the habit of rarely "asking" something for myself, praying for others instead. This prayers may range from help for healing to prayers of Spiritual Battle.

9 - A Yearly retreat will be made by myself. This can be ocasionaly replaced by a Pilgrimage, under advisement

So? Any comments, any suggestions will be welcomed.

Add all prayers done in secret so none can see you pray.
Add Fatima Rosary daily in secret.
Add variance for each individual, as God wants to be loved slightly differently by each
of us


LOVE and love,
...Katerina.

 

[katerinah1947]

Hi,

Mark 12:36

35 While Jesus was teaching in the temple courts, he asked, “Why do the teachers of the law say that the Messiah is the son of David?

36 David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declard:

The Lord, God The Father, said to my Lord, God The Son:
"Sit here at my right hand
until I put your enemies
under your feet"

37 David himself calls Jesus 'Lord'. How then can he be his son?"

Today we know this answer. Jesus is the son of David, because he is born of Mary/Joseph, which is the lineage of David, thus as used back then, Jesus is now the so of David also, as many such lineages were given then as any of the ones who caused another one to exist. Mary and Joseph, one of those was of the lineage of David, thus any babies born are also a son or daugher of David.
So above with both Jesus and God The father being called Lord, then David and we are supposed to call them Lord, but Lord is God back then, so Jesus is God and The Father is God.

 

[TheBarrd]

Ha...thank you, Katerina.

You are precious, you truly are.

I saw where you quoted Ducklow in your post. He tells you the truth, I am ignoring him. He is rude, crude, and not too shrewd, in my opinion. He is arrogant, where a Christian ought to be humble.
Have you noticed...most of the folks in this forum who do not recognize Who Jesus truly is also have a serious problem with pride? I think maybe that might be a huge part of their blindness...their pride gets in the way of them being able to see that Jesus is our Emmanuel...God With Us.
Evidently, he didn't see where you told me in your testimony all about your gender.
I guess he has figured out by now that our conversation was not about him...

I enjoy your posts, Katerina, and I say it again...
You are beautiful. Don't let anyone tell you different....
You are unique, and you are loved in Heaven.

 

[2ducklow]

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[Imagican]

Ok,

Question:

When the Bible STATES that NO man shall EVER 'see God' and LIVE, does it MEAN what it STATES?

Has ANY man EVER 'seen' God Himself and LIVED?

When Christ STATES that NO MAN has EVER seen GOD at ANY TIME, is this TRUTH?

So, if these statements are TRUTH, how does one try to interpret Christ's words into meaning something DIFFERENT when He states that those that had seen Him had SEEN God?

Obviously for BOTH sets of statements to be TRUE, they MUST have a DIFFERENT meaning than what 'trinitarians' INSIST that it means.

Christ asks, "how LONG have I been among you?". This is a CLUE as to what He REALLY means.

What He is offering to those He made the statement to is THIS:

You have SEEN me heal the blind. Heal those that were crippled from birth. You have SEEN me 'walk on water'. You have witnessed me RAISING the DEAD. You have HEARD the things that I have said. If you DON'T see GOD, MY FATHER in these things, then you must surely be BLIND.

But if NO man has EVER seen God and LIVED. And Christ's words are truth when He states that NO man has EVER 'seen God' at ANY time. Then isn't it OBVIOUS that He was NOT speaking literally, but FIGURATIVELY when He stated that those that had SEEN HIM had SEEN God?

I have listened to people in THIS conversation state that they SEE God in all the things around them. Yet these SAME persons would indicate that they CAN'T understand that Christ was NOT 'speaking literally' when He made such statements?????????

I SAY: EVERY TIME one witnesses an act of TRUE LOVE, they are WITNESSING GOD. for God IS Love.

1 John 4:8

He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

So Christ, The Son of God, who STATES that ALL that He DOES and ALL that He says HE LEARNED from His Father, who states He was SENT by God, who prayed to God, who ASKED God, His Father, WHY He abandoned Him upon the cross, who STATES that the Father, (God), is GREATER than the Son. None of this matters. What MATTERS are the few obscure passages that you can USE to turn Christ INTO God Himself???????? Wow.

You know folks, since Everything was created by GOD, would that make EVERYTHING a PART of God? So in a figurative manner, isn't EVERYTHING that God created: GOD?

If Christ, The Son, and God the Father being ONE makes them the SAME. What about US? What about when WE become ONE with Christ? Are we THEN Christ ourselves? Or when we become ONE with God, are we then God ourselves?

Does ANYONE that professes to believe in 'trinity' have ANY conception of 'allegory'? If so. Do you believe that there is ANY such allegory offered in the Bible. Is ANYTHING every offered in a manner not MEANT to be literal, but allegorical?

I offer that if one is unable to tell the difference, then any POSSIBLE 'deeper understanding' is utterly destroyed. That's the BIGGEST problem with NEWER versions of the Bible. While the authors SAY they have simply tried to make it EASIER to read, the TRUTH is that they ALTER the words to the point that sentences that may have the ability to bring DOZENS of pieces of understanding down to ONE SPECIFIC piece as determined by the interpreter.

And it's the SAME with allegory. If you are incapable of UNDERSTANDING it, and end up taking it LITERAL, you ELIMINATE all the REST of the intended UNDERSTANDING and BLIND yourself even the possibility. Once you take it upon yourself to take something offer allegorically and determine that it has ONE specific and literal meaning, you MISS the INTENDED message or even MANY MESSAGES.

I have read the Bible COMPLETELY, first page to last, more times than I remember. And EVERY time I read it again, I come to DEEPER understanding. What I THOUGHT a sentence MEANT the time I read it before, often has an even DEEPER meaning than what I THOUGHT it meant before. My FIRST meaning doesn't CHANGE, it simply becomes DEEPER.

It's like LEARNING to do anything. The first time you attempt to do something you invariably find it difficult and limited when it comes to reading instructions. Sometimes the words just don't make as much sense until AFTER you actually KNOW what they MEAN. You read something, and it just doesn't seem to fit what it is you're trying to DO. But after you KNOW what you are doing, go back and read the instructions again, the words THEN make PERFECT sense.

It's no different than watching a movie. The CLUES are there throughout the movie, sometimes you 'get it' BEFORE the ending is revealed. But sometimes it TAKES the revelation of the END in order to be able to SEE all the CLUES offered throughout the ENTIRE movie. If you watch it a SECOND time, all the intricate details THEN make PERFECT sense.

The Bible is very much...........JUST LIKE THAT. Things that offer an inkling of understanding, the MORE you read THE BIBLE, begin to take on DEEPER and DEEPER meanings.

But if you SHUT out the possibility of deeper understanding being POSSIBLE by accepting a SPECIFIC understanding BEFORE you REALLY have ANY understanding, you KEEP yourself from DEEPER understanding.

"Trinity" DOES this VERY THING. It is a set of RULES that once one accepts them, LIMITS all the OTHER deeper understanding that exists within the Word. If you accept 'trinity' then you CANNOT believe or understand that Christ WAS/IS a 'created being'. Created by God, IN THE BEGINNING. If you accept 'trinity', you are forced to believe that God CAN die. If you accept 'trinity' you are forced to BELIEVE that mathematics means NOTHING. You are forced to believe that 1 + 1 + 1 CAN equal ONE. When even a first grader KNOWS that the answer is THREE. And I offer what many others of the past have offered as well: If I can teach you that BLUE is actually RED, once you submit to such 'brainwashing', at that point I can get you to believe JUST ABOUT ANYTHING. And it is the same with 'trinity'. If I can teach you that one plus one plus one equals ONE and get you to BELIEVE it, at that point I can teach you just about ANYTHING and get you to believe it. That is EXACTLY what the RCC did. They CREATED a 'god' of their OWN design and then taught by FORCE, all under their control to accept it. The evidence is there. All you have do is ACCEPT it. The Catholic Church, for well over a THOUSAND YEARS, tortured and MURDERED any and ALL that they deemed a threat to THEIR teachings. They withheld the Word as long as HUMANLY possible. This 'church' encouraged the STEALING of God from any and everyone that HAD any. Not only those Indian tribes of Central and South America, but from any OTHER country they were at war with at the time. They went on Crusades designed to DESTROY the infidels JUST LIKE Islam is at war with the INFIDELS this very day. They did ALL these 'things' in the name of THEIR created GOD: Jesus Christ.

Matthew 7:

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


If Christ NEVER KNEW them, they NEVER KNEW Christ. They were simply USING His NAME.


And this is EXACTLY what the RCC did. Not EVERY member FORCED to be a part of the congregation. There HAVE been some members of the Catholic Church that have FOUND the truth. But the CLERGY, the DOGMA and DOCTRINE of the RCC was of their OWN design. The 'trinity' and the GOD that it created was THEIR 'creation'. It was NOT offered by God at ANY TIME throughout the ENTIRE history of the relationship of God with mankind. It took HUNDREDS of years AFTER the RCC hijacked 'Christianity' to actually EVOLVE into what it has become. It started with MAN MADE LAWS. Christ FREED us from the LAW and when ROME hijacked Christianity, they put men RIGHT BACK under laws written on PAPER instead of STONE.


If God's laws had been truly written upon their hearts, they couldn't have DONE the things that they DID. History PROVES that these people didn't even KNOW Christ, much less FOLLOW the TEACHINGS of Christ. They created their OWN Christ and forced everyone under their control to follow that 'Christ' of THEIR design. And the design is what has become 'trinity'.


Blessings,


MEC

 

[ron4shua]

(ISR)

20“So then, by their fruits you shall know them –

21“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Master, Master,’ shall enter into the reign of the heavens, but he who is doing the desire of My Father in the heavens.

22“Many shall say to Me in that day, ‘Master, Master, have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and done many mighty works in Your Name?’

23“And then I shall declare to them, ‘I never knew you, depart from Me, you who work lawlessness!’

22But you have drawn near to Mount Tsiyon and to the city of the living Elohim, to the heavenly Yerushalayim, to myriads of messengers,

23to the entire gathering and assembly of the first-born having been enrolled in heaven, and to Elohim the Judge of all, and to the spirits of righteous men made perfect,

24and to יהושע the Mediatora of a new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling which speaks better than the blood of Heḇel.

3who being the brightness of the esteem and the exact representation of His substance, and sustaining all by the word of His power, having made a cleansing of our sins through Himself, sat down at the right hand of the Greatness on high,

 

[TheBarrd]

Did you think I had not read the Bible simply because I understand it differently than you do?
The first time I read it through cover to cover was when I was 11 years old. My Grandmother had given me, for Christmas, my very first "big girl" Bible...a lovely thing done in white leather, with a zipper that pulled with a little cross. The pages were edged in gold, and there were fabulous pictures, which I now recognize as famous paintings, throughout. Oh, and it was a King James version, of course.
I had it read through before Easter. I was completely enthralled.
I would say that since then, I've read it through, cover to cover, many many times...approximately once a year. And I'm still enthralled.
Okay, I'll confess to getting a bit bogged down with Numbers and Dueteronomy...but I have read them.
And I find something new to thrill me every time I read it. God speaks to me through the pages of His Word.

 

[Imagican]

I tried to communicate with Katerinah and a couple of others here on this topic. They made it PERFECTLY clear that communication, (other than offering insult and insinuation), was NOT their intent. They did NOT want to discuss the TRUTH concerning 'trinity', just spread their ignorance, (and OTHER 'stuff').

So, with this in mind, it's pretty clear that to ATTEMPT to communicate with someone who doesn't WANT to communicate is a WASTED effort. And I'm not going to WASTE any more effort trying to SPEAK to those that refuse to even contemplate the TRUTH. Those that have chosen a path of ignorance aren't likely to CHANGE.

One is a transgendered MAN. Another states they don't even BELIEVE in the Bible. And the other, well, in my opinion, just another 'stooge' so far as 'trinity' is concerned. The first two I don't even think I NEED to point out the likelihood of EVERY seeking the TRUTH. A man that decided to become a WOMAN is SO confused as to the TRUTH of life itself will unlikely EVER listen to anything I have to offer. As far as I'm concerned, they may as well have been ONE of the crowd banging on Lot's door telling him to send out the ANGELS so that they could KNOW them.

A man that openly STATES that he does NOT believe in the Bible, well, obviously WE can NEVER come to any sort of mutual understanding.

And ignorance speaks for itself to anyone with their EYES opened enough to SEE.

And before anyone gets upset over my use of the word: ignorant, allow me to offer this: I am IGNORANT. So far as personal revelation of 'trinity', obviously God has seen fit to LEAVE me ignorant. I have receive NO such PERSONAL revelation. If anything, whatever revelation I have received concerning 'trinity' is that it is UTTERLY man made and doesn't exist in TRUTH.

I opened with some specific statements and questions. It is clear that no one that believes in 'trinity' LIKED them. So instead of trying to dispute what I offered with any EVIDENCE, instead they resorted to character attack and disruption as their method of dealing with it. As it USUALLY is when the subject is brought up.

This has certainly been a REVEALING experience to me. For offering the TRUTH, I have been accused of being 'someone else', a Muslim, PRIDEFUL, and a number of other things that were used in an attempt to create DIVERSION instead of discussion. Not to worry, it is a common tactic among the UNLEARNED when it comes to trying to promote their beliefs. Instead of discussing WHY one believes what they believe, they choose instead to attack anyone that points out the possible fallacy of their beliefs.

The RCC use to BURN people alive as a method of disruption. Fortunately they no longer have the POWER to do such things. Obviously God saw that it was TIME to end the suffering of His Saints and REMOVED such power from the irresponsible hands of those that FELT they could DO such things in the NAME of God's Son.

These THREE that chose to join this conversation obviously don't KNOW me. I noticed that those that DO know me didn't even comment, (not talking about you Duck). In the future, you KNOW me NOW.

So, as far as I'm concerned, I'm THROUGH with this thread. It served NO purpose other than to reveal the hearts of the few that chose to participate. I have been accused of NOT being NICE enough. So be it. If I must talk AROUND issues in order to be nice, or if I must sugar coat the truth in order to be NICE, or if I must pretend to be nothing other than "FULL OF LOVE" in order to be considered NICE, then I don't know if I even WANT to be considered 'nice' by those that demand such requirements of me.

Christ pulled out a whip and started swinging it when He witnessed the LIARS and CHEATS in His Father's house. I guess we shouldn't listen to Him either since SOME could call His behavior 'un-NICE'. Or when Paul threatened to return to Corinth with a ROD, we shouldn't listen to anything he offered either because he wasn't NICE enough.

It is MY belief that 'churches' TRYING to be 'nice' is what's WRONG with the present STATE of the 'church' RIGHT NOW. Instead of making efforts to PLEASE God, they have become pleasers of MEN in order to gain their trust and make merchandise of them. If I'm required to perpetuate lies and PRETEND to love others in order to be considered NICE, then I would RATHER be considered, by THESE: UN-nice.

I refuse to let this be PERSONAL. I understand how difficult it can be to recognize or accept that one's beliefs are FALSE. And I have witnessed MANY TIMES the extent to which one will go in order to HOLD on regardless. It pains me FOR others, rarely am "I" pained BY others. I TRY to maintain a sense of order in the threads I post, but that doesn't mean that I am easily offended. I have been accused of and called MUCH worse by more educated people so the comments that were made against me here were TRIVIAL in truth.

I didn't ASK anyone to LIKE me when I started this thread and I don't ask that anyone LIKE me any MORE now in my closing. I can ONLY HOPE that some of what I've offered is able to SINK in and MAYBE at some time in the future God will see FIT to water it and let it grow. If not, heck, I TRIED.

Blessings,

MEC

 

[TheBarrd]

Did you know, for instance, Magician, that the Jews had thrown God off of the throne of Israel? It is in Samuel...about the eighth chapter, I think. The elders come to Samuel demanding a King...and God says that they have not rejected Samuel, but they have rejected God from being King over them. And He goes on to describe what a human ruler will be like.
So Who is the Rightful King of the Jews? It wasn't Herod the Idumean, was it? No, it was God.
And did you know that it had been foretold that God would appear in His temple, and no one would be able to stand before Him? Go back and re-read Malachi's prophecy about the one crying in the wilderness.
Now, Who appeared in the Temple...both as a Child Who confounded the great minds of His day, and later as a Man Who cleared the forecourt, cleaning it of animals and men who were doing a dishonest business there? And again, who could stand before Him as He did these things? Indeed, the final week of His life He appeared in the Temple every day to teach...and the Priests and Elders could not stop Him. That is why they paid Judas to lead them to Him. And even then, didn't Jesus tell His disciples that, if He had asked, His Father would send a legion of angels to defend Him? He chose to submit, not because He had to, but for our sakes.

Oh, I know I'm not gong to make a dent in your hard head, Magician. However, I must continue to write the truth here, for the sake of others who will come in and read these posts.
As amazing as it seems, God did indeed step down from His throne and come to earth as a Man in order to suffer and die in our place.
I say, do not waste His great sacrifice. God is not willing that any should perish...but that all may come to repentance. And it is not difficult at all. Lay your foolish pride aside, and come to the God Who loves you so much that He did all of this...for you.

 

[Imagican]

(ISR)

20“So then, by their fruits you shall know them –

21“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Master, Master,’ shall enter into the reign of the heavens, but he who is doing the desire of My Father in the heavens.

22“Many shall say to Me in that day, ‘Master, Master, have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and done many mighty works in Your Name?’

23“And then I shall declare to them, ‘I never knew you, depart from Me, you who work lawlessness!’

22But you have drawn near to Mount Tsiyon and to the city of the living Elohim, to the heavenly Yerushalayim, to myriads of messengers,

23to the entire gathering and assembly of the first-born having been enrolled in heaven, and to Elohim the Judge of all, and to the spirits of righteous men made perfect,

24and to יהושע the Mediatora of a new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling which speaks better than the blood of Heḇel.

3who being the brightness of the esteem and the exact representation of His substance, and sustaining all by the word of His power, having made a cleansing of our sins through Himself, sat down at the right hand of the Greatness on high,

All I can say is: WHAT??????????????????? ISR?????????? Oh my. And just when I thought i had 'heard it all'.......................

Blessings,

MEC

 

[2ducklow]

I tried to communicate with Katerinah and a couple of others here on this topic. They made it PERFECTLY clear that communication, (other than offering insult and insinuation), was NOT their intent. They did NOT want to discuss the TRUTH concerning 'trinity', just spread their ignorance, (and OTHER 'stuff').

So, with this in mind, it's pretty clear that to ATTEMPT to communicate with someone who doesn't WANT to communicate is a WASTED effort. And I'm not going to WASTE any more effort trying to SPEAK to those that refuse to even contemplate the TRUTH. Those that have chosen a path of ignorance aren't likely to CHANGE.

One is a transgendered MAN. Another states they don't even BELIEVE in the Bible. And the other, well, in my opinion, just another 'stooge' so far as 'trinity' is concerned. The first two I don't even think I NEED to point out the likelihood of EVERY seeking the TRUTH. A man that decided to become a WOMAN is SO confused as to the TRUTH of life itself will unlikely EVER listen to anything I have to offer. As far as I'm concerned, they may as well have been ONE of the crowd banging on Lot's door telling him to send out the ANGELS so that they could KNOW them.

A man that openly STATES that he does NOT believe in the Bible, well, obviously WE can NEVER come to any sort of mutual understanding.

And ignorance speaks for itself to anyone with their EYES opened enough to SEE.

And before anyone gets upset over my use of the word: ignorant, allow me to offer this: I am IGNORANT. So far as personal revelation of 'trinity', obviously God has seen fit to LEAVE me ignorant. I have receive NO such PERSONAL revelation. If anything, whatever revelation I have received concerning 'trinity' is that it is UTTERLY man made and doesn't exist in TRUTH.

I opened with some specific statements and questions. It is clear that no one that believes in 'trinity' LIKED them. So instead of trying to dispute what I offered with any EVIDENCE, instead they resorted to character attack and disruption as their method of dealing with it. As it USUALLY is when the subject is brought up.

This has certainly been a REVEALING experience to me. For offering the TRUTH, I have been accused of being 'someone else', a Muslim, PRIDEFUL, and a number of other things that were used in an attempt to create DIVERSION instead of discussion. Not to worry, it is a common tactic among the UNLEARNED when it comes to trying to promote their beliefs. Instead of discussing WHY one believes what they believe, they choose instead to attack anyone that points out the possible fallacy of their beliefs.

The RCC use to BURN people alive as a method of disruption. Fortunately they no longer have the POWER to do such things. Obviously God saw that it was TIME to end the suffering of His Saints and REMOVED such power from the irresponsible hands of those that FELT they could DO such things in the NAME of God's Son.

These THREE that chose to join this conversation obviously don't KNOW me. I noticed that those that DO know me didn't even comment, (not talking about you Duck). In the future, you KNOW me NOW.

So, as far as I'm concerned, I'm THROUGH with this thread. It served NO purpose other than to reveal the hearts of the few that chose to participate. I have been accused of NOT being NICE enough. So be it. If I must talk AROUND issues in order to be nice, or if I must sugar coat the truth in order to be NICE, or if I must pretend to be nothing other than "FULL OF LOVE" in order to be considered NICE, then I don't know if I even WANT to be considered 'nice' by those that demand such requirements of me.

Christ pulled out a whip and started swinging it when He witnessed the LIARS and CHEATS in His Father's house. I guess we shouldn't listen to Him either since SOME could call His behavior 'un-NICE'. Or when Paul threatened to return to Corinth with a ROD, we shouldn't listen to anything he offered either because he wasn't NICE enough.

It is MY belief that 'churches' TRYING to be 'nice' is what's WRONG with the present STATE of the 'church' RIGHT NOW. Instead of making efforts to PLEASE God, they have become pleasers of MEN in order to gain their trust and make merchandise of them. If I'm required to perpetuate lies and PRETEND to love others in order to be considered NICE, then I would RATHER be considered, by THESE: UN-nice.

I refuse to let this be PERSONAL. I understand how difficult it can be to recognize or accept that one's beliefs are FALSE. And I have witnessed MANY TIMES the extent to which one will go in order to HOLD on regardless. It pains me FOR others, rarely am "I" pained BY others. I TRY to maintain a sense of order in the threads I post, but that doesn't mean that I am easily offended. I have been accused of and called MUCH worse by more educated people so the comments that were made against me here were TRIVIAL in truth.

I didn't ASK anyone to LIKE me when I started this thread and I don't ask that anyone LIKE me any MORE now in my closing. I can ONLY HOPE that some of what I've offered is able to SINK in and MAYBE at some time in the future God will see FIT to water it and let it grow. If not, heck, I TRIED.

Blessings,

MEC

What is beginning to slowly creep into my brain is that I have to just let insults go. Commenting on someone's insult , even minutely , only adds fuel to the fire. It's no fun to insult people if you can't get a rise out of them. So they just stop then.