Really? Trinity?

[katerinah1947]

You are beautiful, Katerina.
I am quite sure that you are beloved in Heaven.

Hi,

This sort of just happened, else I would not be back here. I thought you might want to know, what an Archangel said about you today, and your comment about me.

I will leave again after this.

"That person can see us angels, in his own way. He saw who you really are. And he is right."

I hope this brightens up your day and you life, TheBarrd.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina., .... .

 

[TheBarrd]

Except I am a she, Katerina...I am female.

Thank you, Love....

 

[TheBarrd]

I would have thought that it was a given that Jesus Christ, our Emmanuel, is God in the flesh. I honestly can't figure out how anyone who professes to believe in Him could possibly fail to see this.

If Christ is not God, then how could His death benefit anyone?
If Christ is not God, then how could He have been resurrected?
He said that He laid His life down of His own free will, and that He would take it up again. How could He say that if He were not God?

If Christ is not God, then He is dead and our faith is in vain.

 

[Viren]

Ahh, Christians....
How we have worked, for 2000+ years...to complicate what Jesus died to make simple.
Can't we just accept that God loves us so much that He sent His Son to die for us, so that all who believe in Him might not perish, but have everlasting life?
You'd think that would be enough for us, but no. We have to indulge ourselves in foolish arguments over Who He is....

Yeah, that reminds me of what a little girl once said, "Jesus is all God ever wanted to say to us"

 

[com7fy8]

Yes, one clever trick is to say the Trinity is wrong because it was started by the Roman Catholics. But we had the Bible before the official Roman Catholic group started to be named in history.

And, in Genesis chapter one, it says God made man in His image. And mankind is a family being of three basic persons > father, child, and mother . . . three basic persons of love . . . family sharing and caring love, except that man has fallen in sin.

So, this, for me, fits with God being a family Being of love, with more than one Person of this love > our Father and His Son Jesus and the Holy Spirit who mothers the church, I consider. "God is love" (1 John 4:8&16); and there is more than one Person in family caring and sharing love. The Father is a Person of family love; Jesus the Son is a Person of this one love; the Holy Spirit is the third Person of family caring and sharing love (c:

"But humans can be each on one's own so they do not have unity of love with each other in families; so they may not be able to understand the Trinity being family love with more than one Person. And so, ones go way off track, arguing about words and ideas, and both 'sides' can be wrong, not dealing with how we become in the love of our Father and our Groom Jesus and the Holy Spirit."

Also, we have that Jesus is "the image of God", in 2 Corinthians 4:4. An image can be made of pure gold; so that image is gold. But, also, gold can be elsewhere, at the same time. Like this, Jesus is God, but God is elsewhere, also (c:

So, I see this has to do with love, not only an explanation of scholars. And these things were in the Bible before any Catholics or Protestants did what they did, in history.

There is the love meaning so better than any scholarly explanation > how God is our Father and His Son Jesus and the Holy Spirit, and They are relating as love; and They are our example of how to be family with one anther > "Therefore be imitators of God as dear children." (Ephesians 5:2)

So, the Trinity is not just some explanation thing, but God is our example required of us, which is good . . . how God wants all of us to be family with our Father and our Groom Jesus and the Holy Spirit and each other (c:

However, there are people who are only arguing the Trinity as an idea, instead of living in the love meaning. We need to hear and do, not only study and argue (c: People arguing on two sides can be wrong on both sides.

"Do all things without complaining and disputing, that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation," (in Philippians 2:14-16)

"with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love," (Ephesians 4:2)

"swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath" (in James 1:19)

"and be clothed with humility" (in 1 Peter 5:5).

 

[TheBarrd]

Yes, one clever trick is to say the Trinity is wrong because it was started by the Roman Catholics. But we had the Bible before the official Roman Catholic group started to be named in history.

And, in Genesis chapter one, it says God made man in His image. And mankind is a family being of three basic persons > father, child, and mother . . . three basic persons of love . . . family sharing and caring love, except that man has fallen in sin.

So, this, for me, fits with God being a family Being of love, with more than one Person of this love > our Father and His Son Jesus and the Holy Spirit who mothers the church, I consider. "God is love" (1 John 4:8&16); and there is more than one Person in family caring and sharing love. The Father is a Person of family love; Jesus the Son is a Person of this one love; the Holy Spirit is the third Person of family caring and sharing love (c:

"But humans can be each on one's own so they do not have unity of love with each other in families; so they may not be able to understand the Trinity being family love with more than one Person. And so, ones go way off track, arguing about words and ideas, and both 'sides' can be wrong, not dealing with how we become in the love of our Father and our Groom Jesus and the Holy Spirit."

Also, we have that Jesus is "the image of God", in 2 Corinthians 4:4. An image can be made of pure gold; so that image is gold. But, also, gold can be elsewhere, at the same time. Like this, Jesus is God, but God is elsewhere, also (c:

So, I see this has to do with love, not only an explanation of scholars. And these things were in the Bible before any Catholics or Protestants did what they did, in history.

There is the love meaning so better than any scholarly explanation > how God is our Father and His Son Jesus and the Holy Spirit, and They are relating as love; and They are our example of how to be family with one anther > "Therefore be imitators of God as dear children." (Ephesians 5:2)

So, the Trinity is not just some explanation thing, but God is our example required of us, which is good . . . how God wants all of us to be family with our Father and our Groom Jesus and the Holy Spirit and each other (c:

However, there are people who are only arguing the Trinity as an idea, instead of living in the love meaning. We need to hear and do, not only study and argue (c: People arguing on two sides can be wrong on both sides.

"Do all things without complaining and disputing, that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation," (in Philippians 2:14-16)

"with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love," (Ephesians 4:2)

"swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath" (in James 1:19)

"and be clothed with humility" (in 1 Peter 5:5).

I don't think I've ever heard it put better. Thank you.

 

[Viren]

To Com7fy8: That's really interesting. I was just thinking about how in Genesis it says we are made in God's image both male and female. It would make sense since God is love and love can only happen in relationships.

 

[2ducklow]

Except I am a she, Katerina...I am female.

Thank you, Love....

whoops, you'd think an archangel could tell the difference . well that proves that no angel said trinity I aok as was argued. It proves that it was just her imagination saying that, not some angel.

 

[2ducklow]

I would have thought that it was a given that Jesus Christ, our Emmanuel, is God in the flesh. I honestly can't figure out how anyone who professes to believe in Him could possibly fail to see this.

frustration over here too. the two sides are in my opinion on different wave lengths.

If Christ is not God, then how could His death benefit anyone?

Because the bible says a man died for our sins, and God is eternal and cannot die.
Romans 5.
12 Wherefore *, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned :

15.But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!


one man died for our sins, God is not a man, and God cannot die.

If Christ is not God, then how could He have been resurrected?

If Christ is God then God died and there would have been no one to resurrect him since there is only one God.

He said that He laid His life down of His own free will, and that He would take it up again. How could He say that if He were not God?

well you're reading the Trinitarian modified bible. what Gods word really says is receive not take it up again.

JOhn 10.17. Therefore, doth the Father, love, me, because, I, lay down my life, that, again, I may receive it:—
10:18 No one, forced it from me, but, I, lay it down, of myself,—Authority, have I, to lay it down, and, authority, have I, again, to receive it: This commandment, received I, from my Father(Rotherham)

If Christ is not God, then He is dead and our faith is in vain.

God raised the dead Jesus from the dead. IF Christ were god there would be no one to raise Jesus from the dead since there is only one real God, God the Father.

 

[2ducklow]

Hi,

This sort of just happened, else I would not be back here. I thought you might want to know, what an Archangel said about you today, and your comment about me.

I will leave again after this.

"That person can see us angels, in his own way. He saw who you really are. And he is right."

I hope this brightens up your day and you life, TheBarrd.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina., .... .

Since I'm a he and she's a she, maybe that spirit was referring to me. Cause I see angels my way, through visions, and I saw who you really are, and I was right.. More likely though that some angel tripped up a deceiving spirit to say that in reference to me. Just a guess though. Ohh an angel just kissed me when I said that, guesss I am right. whoooo hoooo. I think angels set a trap for you and you fell for it. Cause arch angels don't like someone making words up and attributing them to themselves. They really exposed you on this one.

Angels to the rescue. IN Texas they have signs along the highway that say 'Don't mess with Texas" meaning don't throw trash on the highway. Well good advice would also be "Don't mess with Angels". Especially "Don't mess with Archangels.

 

[TheBarrd]

Think about it like this.
There is nothing impossible to God. NOTHING.
There is not one thing He cannot do. Not one single thing. NOTHING.
He can live in a body of flesh? Of course, He can. And He can do so and be BOTH fully God and fully man at one and the same time. Who can say He couldn't?
Of course the man could die, while God lives. Did Jesus not cry out "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me"?
And if Jesus were God, why could He not rise from the tomb? Why could He not lay death aside at His will? No man could do that.
The problem seems to be that folks sort of limit the power of God...at least in their minds. God cannot do this or that...of course, He can.
For with God, nothing is impossible.

 

[TheBarrd]

You also call yourself "TheBarrd", Duck? What a coincidence!!

 

[2ducklow]

Think about it like this.
There is nothing impossible to God. NOTHING.

It is impossible for God to lie.
heb. 6.18
That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:


3 is one is a lie.

There is not one thing He cannot do. Not one single thing. NOTHING.

God cannot be tempted.


James 1.13. Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

He can live in a body of flesh? Of course, He can. And He can do so and be BOTH fully God and fully man at one and the same time. Who can say He couldn't?

who can say God can be nonsensical?

Of course the man could die, while God lives. Did Jesus not cry out "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me"?
And if Jesus were God, why could He not rise from the tomb? Why could He not lay death aside at His will? No man could do that.

God raised Jesus from the dead. The dead know nothing, But God who cannot die was able to raise Jesus or anyone he wants to from the dead whether they want to or not.

The problem seems to be that folks sort of limit the power of God...at least in their minds. God cannot do this or that...of course, He can.
For with God, nothing is impossible.

No the problem is that people come up with the most illogical concepts and blame them on God when they are the ones who came up with such illogic.

 

[2ducklow]

You also call yourself "TheBarrd", Duck? What a coincidence!!

did not. An angel tripped her up to say he, referring to me, when she thought she was referring to you.' Obviously it was just her own imagination because an arch angel wouldn't make the mistake of calling a female a he. Even demons wouldn't do that, only a human making stuff up would make that sort of bush league mistake. But I feel the angels tripped her up in her imaginations to make it come out to refer to me and not to you. I suspect that she went to far claiming to speak for an archangel. So angels tripped her up for claiming to speak for an archangel when she never got any message from an archangel. Angels just couldn't let that go. that's what it looks like to me.

So no I wasn't mistaking myself for you. I know the difference between a male and a female. I know most people probably think I'm whacked cause of my angel experiences, but I know I'm not.

I sense you're getting pretty desperate.

 

[TheBarrd]

Your sense is misleading you.
Actually I am convulsed with laughter here. You have no idea how much you amuse me, Duck...

 

[TheBarrd]

I think you are cute.
But you do make me sad, too. You probably don't even realize how arrogant you are.
If you want to think that Kate was talking about you, I will not contradict you.
However, I do have to object when you try to put my Lord and my Savior in the same category as yourself.
Jesus Christ was not, and is not a man. I should have thought that much was obvious from the very beginning.

 

[2ducklow]

Your sense is misleading you.

well I get that sense from the fact that you ignore every counter statement I make to your statements. I realize also it may be that you just don't have the knowledge of the subject to comment on the things I've brought up or you just don't want to debate. Either way your responses come across to me as desperate attempts to circumvent whatever I have said. My impression is that you've only heard the Trinitarian side and don't know how to respond to the nontrinitarian arguments because you haven't confronted them and thus don't know how to respond. Trinitarians have a response to most everything I"ve said, but usually it's so nonsensical most Trinitarians don't want to say the sort of stuff they'd have to say to respond to what I've said. Actually most Trinitarians just accept trinity and don't try and figure it out or even talk about it cause it makes no sense. I've gone to Trinitarian churches, and they almost never even mention the word trinity because of that fact.

Actually I am convulsed with laughter here. You have no idea how much you amuse me, Duck...

I get a lot of laughter out of CF too. like right now.

 

[2ducklow]

I think you are cute.
But you do make me sad, too. You probably don't even realize how arrogant you are.

Nah, I'm not arrogant.
I'm just usually right. Not bragging, it's just a fact.

If you want to think that Kate was talking about you, I will not contradict you.

And I wont try to explain what I was saying again because you won't get what I said.

However, I do have to object when you try to put my Lord and my Savior in the same category as yourself.

Jesus is the new man, i'm the old man, who is now the new creation by being in the new man , by being part of the body of the new man, the last adam.

Jesus Christ was not, and is not a man. I should have thought that much was obvious from the very beginning.

I suppose no matter how many times I quote scripture saying 'the man Christ Jesus" or that Jesus is and was a man, you will continue to say Jesus is not a man. To us non Jesus is God folks, that can be very frustrating.

 

[TheBarrd]

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

The Word was God.
The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.

I didn't write it. I simply present what was written.

 

[TheBarrd]

You may deny it, however, that is your choice, Duck.

Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
Joh 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Joh 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
Joh 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
Joh 10:39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

The Jews understood His claim, and they wanted to stone Him for blasphemy, because He made Himself equal to God.