Really? Trinity?

[katerinah1947]

Hi,
My ground rules for our engagements are this, if you would like to continue. No insults, and stop trying to assess what my thought processes are anymore. I would not mind if you asssessed my thought processes and were right. I would like that, but you have not shown any accuracy so far, that is good enough.
Is that okay? If it is, then I am happy to be here. Realize that anyone of God, is not normally combative. Do you not know that is what is talked about in Matthew 7:16?
Assuming you do not yet, to be combative rather than listening and understanding, then restating the other persons words, is not the fruit there talked about. It says that people who are of God, are always nice to others. It says women and men who are people of God, are always nice.
When you acted like Duck, in not being that. There is where I saw the similarities. When I have worked with criminals, and other types like that, each of them does what Duck does. Also engaging Islam types, they do that better than anyone.
I thought you and he were the same, not for the points which you brought up, but for the way they are brought up by both of you. Dismissive. And you both fall back on your own literature, while ignoring everyone else's.
Now, lets try this. Do either of you two have a problem with fruits of the Spirit, that are different from your own?
If I tell you of casting out a demon, using something other than what you are familiar with, will you agree with Duck, that I am demonic. He has inferred all of my sources are that. He has. Look at those posts, as I validly explained. Everything I talk about is demon inspired to him.
The Gift of The Essence of God to me, not in a dream, in a wide-awake situation with 60 people all around, me, is called demonic by him. Is that your take? Is that your understanding? Was the Devil presenting himself to me? When I see Jesus, is that really the Devil? And how does he or you know, from a distance? He did not say, his angels said that my sighting was a deception? He just said, essentially that I am using seances and other forms of the occult. I never said that. He did.
You have what you have. Do you have everything, is another way to say what I am saying? How, do you know that I do not have something you don't? How? If he or you think, that I am not Biblical, think again, then I will ask you some questions, and let us see if you can answer them, from your own knowledge.
When David speaking under the inspiration of The Holy Spirit said The Lord said to my Lord sit here..... Do you know who The Lord is there? Do you know who my Lord is there? I do. And that set of gifts to me, is rejected out of hand, and called demonic by him. Is that your opinion also?
It is in the insults, and rough manner and the dismissive actions, that you seemed alike, and both of you seem like the Muslims, and others I have to deal with like that. It is that. It is being a briar, in Matthew 7:16. Male persons of God, are not found with hurtful characteristics. Figs are not found in Briars.
That is how you are both similar. That is what I thought. That is what you both acted like here with these others. That.
LOVE, by the way, is my words for the way God loves. Sometimes He is totally accurate, but the words are not pleasant to hear. Always He loves you for what you are and what you should be. From what I can remember, and what I can mimic, from that gift once totally resident in me, I write that. I feel that, and try to do that.
Will he and you call that demonic? Will you say God cannot show me how He loves? Will you say that is impossible for God to do? I say yes. That is what you will do. I say, you will say there are things that it is impossible to do, because in your 2000 year old book, which I Love and use, God said that back then, this or that could be done. So that must apply today. I must then maybe, be given the ability to LOVE a little, like God loves, by Satan and never God. I expect that, from him. I expect that from you because of your rough manner also.
Please make me wrong. I too have had experiences, and they have been validated. Read Deuteronomy 18:20. Read also about a fleece test. Read also in the letter of James, that indeed in certain circumstances, to check with God, to test some things is allowed, once.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina.

Great!
I have to respond to my own post. No one responded to this. I haven't slept all night either. Did someone miss responding to this?
...Katerina.,

 

[TheBarrd]

I would appreciate it if you would stop making false accusations. Better known as LYING. You, nor anyone else on this entire forum has EVER heard me offer that Christ was/IS merely a MORTAL MAN. In my last post, if I remember correctly, I OPENLY stated that Christ existed BEFORE man. That Christ was instrumental in the very 'creation' of man. How you are HEARING something I'm not saying is quite questionable.

So, Christ is not God...and He's not a man. Got it.
What is He?

Christ is the ONLY begotten SON OF God. That certainly separates Him from being 'merely a mortal'. The only TIME that He was 'mortal' was when He was a MAN in the FLESH..

And when He wasn't a "MAN in the FLESH"??

Now, I ask you: DID Christ DIE, LITERALLY, did Christ DIE ON THE CROSS? I propose that if your answer is YES, then that is obvious PROOF that He is or was NOT God. For God is IMMORTAL. If Christ LITERALLY DIED, then He was NOT God. God cannot DIE or He is NOT God. He is NOT immortal.

You may propose whatever you like. However, God is not limited in the slightest by your proposals.

Now, you show us, THROUGH scripture, that Christ is CO-ETERNAL with the Father: God. If you cannot or DO NOT, then I will assume that you recognize the fallibility of the very doctrine that you profess to believe and FOLLOW.

Jesus already did that, when He rose from the tomb.
By the way, you do know what they say about folks who ASS-ume

But do us BOTH a favor and STOP trying to put words into MY mouth. I openly confess and offer witness and testimony that Christ is NOT merely a MORTAL MAN. So you can NO LONGER make such a false allegation without KNOWINGLY offering a LIE.

Again, what is He? If He is not God, and not a man, what is He?

As a prince has royalty in his very blood, so too does the SON share deity with the Father. All I have offered is that 'trinity' is NOT the answer. That 'trinity' is a MAN MADE doctrine that is based more on pagan beliefs than anything offered in the Bible. And I have offered that the Bible plainly illustrates that Christ WAS INDEED, created BY God, His Father. The very USE of the names 'Father and Son' are INDICATIVE of one COMING FROM the other. Christ openly stated that the Father is GREATER than the Son.

Now, hold on. Yes, Christ shares deity with the Father. However, there is only ONE God.
You do know what "deity" means, I hope?

Obviously you are NEW to this environment. I have taken that into consideration so far as my responses are concerned. But when you decided to join such an environment, you SHOULD have realized that there are others that are MUCH more learned than yourself and that to enter and immediately SHOW how limited your understanding is makes it difficult for ANYONE to take what you offer seriously.

And I take it that you are presenting yourself as one of these "more learned" ones?
Do I detect a bit of pride in your post here? Arrogance?
Quite frankly, sir, and with all due respect...you don't impress me as being as "learned" as you seem to think you are. I've taught Sunday School children who had a better grasp on what "deity" means....

Do some 'homework' FIRST and then you may find yourself in a position to discuss such issues with a TOUCH of authority. Otherwise, simply recognize that you are merely a BABE, IF that, in Christ and obviously don't know the FIRST thing about what it is that you PROFESS to believe. Or at least that is the IMPRESSION you have offered ME through your words.

Funny...that is exactly the same IMPRESSION that you have offered ME with your words. And I have a CAPS LOCK too, you needn't be so proud as all that.

Bothmy mother and my father taught me a very valuable lesson when I was a 'child': If you don't like being spanked, DON'T misbehave. It made perfect sense to ME. At least then I KNEW what to expect. I can only hope someone cared enough about you as a child to teach you the same lesson. If not, I DO care enough about others to offer them whatever I'm able that is able to HELP them..

Maybe they spanked you too often...or maybe not often enough. In any case, they should have taught you some manners while they were about it.
And they should have seen to it that you studied your grammar.

Blessings,


MEC

And may God also send to you the same blessings that you wish on me

 

[TheBarrd]

You know, I-magician...I think it would be best if you and I didn't talk to one another at all.

You are entitled to your opinion, of course...
And so are the rest of us.

Let us go our separate ways in peace....

 

[Imagican]

Hi,
My ground rules for our engagements are this, if you would like to continue. No insults, and stop trying to assess what my thought processes are anymore. I would not mind if you asssessed my thought processes and were right. I would like that, but you have not shown any accuracy so far, that is good enough.

ALL I have done is LISTEN to what you have offered and offer response. If it is not the response you desire, then it is YOU that hoping you can manipulate someone to your own design. I'm not the ONE.

Is that okay? If it is, then I am happy to be here. Realize that anyone of God, is not normally combative. Do you not know that is what is talked about in Matthew 7:16?
Assuming you do not yet, to be combative rather than listening and understanding, then restating the other persons words, is not the fruit there talked about. It says that people who are of God, are always nice to others. It says women and men who are people of God, are always nice.
When you acted like Duck, in not being that. There is where I saw the similarities. When I have worked with criminals, and other types like that, each of them does what Duck does. Also engaging Islam types, they do that better than anyone.

So, now you ADMIT that it was YOU that thought to offer that which would considered 'combative'. You have chosen to see something 'un-nice' in my comments and for that reason, take it upon yourself to compare me to criminals and Muslims???? Oh my.

I thought you and he were the same, not for the points which you brought up, but for the way they are brought up by both of you. Dismissive. And you both fall back on your own literature, while ignoring everyone else's.
Now, lets try this. Do either of you two have a problem with fruits of the Spirit, that are different from your own?

Nope. Not at all. For I have been gifted with FEW. But your attempt to try and make it sound like the Bible encourages us to AGREE with false teachings simply to BE NICE is about as ANTI-Biblical as anything I've ever heard here on the forum.

If I tell you of casting out a demon, using something other than what you are familiar with, will you agree with Duck, that I am demonic. He has inferred all of my sources are that. He has. Look at those posts, as I validly explained. Everything I talk about is demon inspired to him.

If I discern the influence of demonS in you, it will NOT be determined by what Duck thinks or anyone else. If I JUDGE you, I will judge you according to SCRIPTURE and SPIRIT. I appreciate your candor. But what you fail to realize is that I am PERFECTLY capable of recognizing the ENEMY. I use to 'work' for the 'same guy'. So the wiles of the Devil are incapable of sliding by unaware.

The Gift of The Essence of God to me, not in a dream, in a wide-awake situation with 60 people all around, me, is called demonic by him. Is that your take? Is that your understanding? Was the Devil presenting himself to me? When I see Jesus, is that really the Devil? And how does he or you know, from a distance? He did not say, his angels said that my sighting was a deception? He just said, essentially that I am using seances and other forms of the occult. I never said that. He did.

More and more you reveal yourself. And I assure you, I APPRECIATE it. Instead of me needing to SHOW others what you offer, you are doing an excellent job ALL BY YOURSELF.

You have what you have. Do you have everything, is another way to say what I am saying? How, do you know that I do not have something you don't? How? If he or you think, that I am not Biblical, think again, then I will ask you some questions, and let us see if you can answer them, from your own knowledge.

You may have MANY 'things' that I do not. Probably DO. And you may KNOW many things that I choose NOT to know. Come now, do you REALLY want to 'play that game'? For if I TRULY reveal you, what will you DO THEN? So before you offer such a challenge, be forewarned, I am WELL versed not ONLY in the WORDS of the Bible, but their very MEANING. But MOST CERTAINLY. If you BELIEVE you have something to PROVE, by all means, LET US PROVE IT.

When David speaking under the inspiration of The Holy Spirit said The Lord said to my Lord sit here..... Do you know who The Lord is there? Do you know who my Lord is there? I do. And that set of gifts to me, is rejected out of hand, and called demonic by him. Is that your opinion also?

See, what you fail to offer in TRUTH is the NATURE of the gifts you continually refer to. I recognize them INDEED.

My opinion is really irrelevant. The TRUTH is what IS relevant. Almost everything you have offered is more reminiscent of the serpent in the garden than anything offered out of the Bible. You offer TRUTH. But ALTERED into bits and pieces which turn the truth into 'something DIFFERENT than the TRUTH'. Ninety nine percent of what the Serpent offered Eve in the garden was TRUTH. But truth ALTERED in order to MISLEAD Eve rather than HELP her.

It is in the insults, and rough manner and the dismissive actions, that you seemed alike, and both of you seem like the Muslims, and others I have to deal with like that. It is that. It is being a briar, in Matthew 7:16. Male persons of God, are not found with hurtful characteristics. Figs are not found in Briars.

What you perceive and the TRUTH are obviously TWO different things. You don't LIKE what you hear so you immediately label it as being 'un-nice'. When Paul threatened to return to Corinth with a ROD, do YOU see something UN-nice about it? Such 'tricks' are USELESS against the TRUTH. What you see as being 'un-nice' I offer strictly out of LOVE. When a true child of God dismisses the influence of the Devil, do YOU propose that it is suppose to be a NICE thing? I wield the true 'shield of faith'. And I don't play 'paddy cake' with shields or with swords.

That is how you are both similar. That is what I thought. That is what you both acted like here with these others. That.
LOVE, by the way, is my words for the way God loves. Sometimes He is totally accurate, but the words are not pleasant to hear. Always He loves you for what you are and what you should be. From what I can remember, and what I can mimic, from that gift once totally resident in me, I write that. I feel that, and try to do that.

This is utter NON sense. God does NOT love the SINNER while living IN SIN. You must be talking about that 'other god'. The one that DOES revel in the SINS of man. The one that DOES dance when he is able to influence men to destroy their souls.

Will he and you call that demonic? Will you say God cannot show me how He loves? Will you say that is impossible for God to do? I say yes. That is what you will do. I say, you will say there are things that it is impossible to do, because in your 2000 year old book, which I Love and use, God said that back then, this or that could be done. So that must apply today. I must then maybe, be given the ability to LOVE a little, like God loves, by Satan and never God. I expect that, from him. I expect that from you because of your rough manner also.

God can do NOTHING that would make Him NOT GOD. If He is IMMORTAL and immortality is a character of God, then He cannot DIE. If God is truth, then He cannot LIE. The Bible tells us that He CANNOT tempt a man to EVIL.

Wow, you are a 'slickster' indeed. You talk like the few TRUE SORCERERS I have met in my life. Most from a commune in Cassadaga, Florida.

Please make me wrong. I too have had experiences, and they have been validated. Read Deuteronomy 18:20. Read also about a fleece test. Read also in the letter of James, that indeed in certain circumstances, to check with God, to test some things is allowed, once.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina.

Ok, don't know how I missed this one earlier. It was NOT intentional I can assure you. For I RELISH the opportunity to do 'battle in such a manner'. When I was younger I was not well armed and often easily defeated. But as I get older and more experienced, I RELISH those that are 'accomplished'.

All I can say is, "bring it on". I dig it. ESPECIALLY when it comes from one professing a BELIEF in 'trinity'. Especially when one such as yourself is so willing to adamantly DEFEND 'trinity'.

And mark these words: I won't NEED to reveal you, your pride in the ill perceived POWER you profess will force you to reveal yourself. You already have to me. The only thing missing is your TRUE 'name'. We'll work on that one............

Blessings,

MEC

 

[TheBarrd]

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Obviously, God does love sinners...

 

[Imagican]

You know, I-magician...I think it would be best if you and I didn't talk to one another at all.

You are entitled to your opinion, of course...
And so are the rest of us.

Let us go our separate ways in peace....

See, you are incapable of overcoming. So you are correct, you and I will probably have LITTLE in common which would make it very difficult to communicate.

And as each is accorded their opinion, each of us has the RIGHT to refute it as well.

While some say, "We have a RIGHT to be WRONG". I offer that there is NO SUCH offering in God's Word. We are to STRIVE to be RIGHT, not revel in the freedom to DO WRONG. And there is NO true FREEDOM in unrighteousness.

You start by calling me NAMES AGAIN. And then try to pretend that we can be at peace with one another. Your insincerity is apparent, but I'll agree, to separate, (which has been apparent from your first comment).

May God Bless you and keep you.

MEC

 

[katerinah1947]

Kate says she has known folks who have had "fun experiences with God"....but you seem to think that there should be NO fun in our faith.
Yet Jesus did attend a wedding, and He did turn water to wine. Did He dance at that wedding, d'ya think?
Children seemed to love Jesus, and He often said we must become as children.
One thing I do know, for sure....kids don't like to hang with someone who is no fun.
Did Jesus ever laugh, d'ya think?

Didn't Jesus say of the kids that "their angels" always beheld the face of God?

Hi,
So one day in response to your last statement, really being a kid this happened to me.
Jesus came inside of me, full force one day. (Yes this has all been validated). I didn't know it was Him. He came to me this way: "Tender and Mild" Only He came full force, and just like a kid, I said: "Oh yeah. I can match you." I did, I did match Him......for awhile. The amount that he surpassed me in that, is probably not explainable. Yet, never once was I punished for that. I did not know it was Him at the time. Maybe that was it, but I don't think so, I think it was the kid in me, reacting. I really was in those days, tender and mild. I was. I just thought I could match this thing inside of me, who would later turn out to be Jesus.
Later, He let me see the entire depths of His Tenderness. I can explain it, but maybe not just yet. Also, if you have ever heard of this, once anyone has a significant God encounter, mine was seeing The Essence of God, and the next day having Jesus come inside of me full force, changes happen rather instantly. (Again please remember all of this has been validated. I know this must be hard. It was hard on me. I am told I have to believe this though, by my validator....) After my encounters I knew why Job, could write Job after he saw God. He did not know what happened in heaven. Yet, after seeing God, Job knew lots of things. One was that he was wrong about God, using him for a painful pupose but a wonderful one for us. Not only was Satan put in his place twice by God, but we learned how God can and does inforce limits on Satan, there. We also learned about life after death there. Job had twice as much of everything as he had before. With his children, he only had the same amount as before, on the earth. It brings up a point. If God doubled everything he had before, why not the children also? He did though, if his children before hand are still alive. Also in there is a lesson on marriage. Job was never allowed to be killed, by Satan. Job's wife was never killed. Is being married, like Jesus said to be, they become one. So was it, is it, that killing her, would be the same thing to God as killing Job?
There is much to be learned. For me it was how much Job knew afterwards, after he merely saw God.
I needed that for my life, after seeing God, even in the way I saw Him. Many here will say it is devils, yet everywhere, people who do not pass the test of being a fig, nor a grape in Matthew 7:16, are not to be listened to in thier opinions on anything of God, as they are what is said in Matthew 7:15.
The rest of you though, I have always loved working for God, when I am doing that. I always have, it is just too much fun, in many ways.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina.,

 

[TheBarrd]

I'm not trying to call anyone names. Nor am I trying to insult anyone.
There's just something about that "holier than thou" attitude that gets under my skin. None of us is better than any other. Someone who comes off as thinking he is all superior is a turn off, at least to me. You'd have to show me that you are more "learned" than others before I will be content to sit at your feet and learn from you.
So far, that has not been the case.

 

[TheBarrd]

Hi,
So one day in response to your last statement, really being a kid this happened to me.
Jesus came inside of me, full force one day. (Yes this has all been validated). I didn't know it was Him. He came to me this way: "Tender and Mild" Only He came full force, and just like a kid, I said: "Oh yeah. I can match you." I did, I did match Him......for awhile. The amount that he surpassed me in that, is probably not explainable. Yet, never once was I punished for that. I did not know it was Him at the time. Maybe that was it, but I don't think so, I think it was the kid in me, reacting. I really was in those days, tender and mild. I was. I just thought I could match this thing inside of me, who would later turn out to be Jesus.
Later, He let me see the entire depths of His Tenderness. I can explain it, but maybe not just yet. Also, if you have ever heard of this, once anyone has a significant God encounter, mine was seeing The Essence of God, and the next day having Jesus come inside of me full force, changes happen rather instantly. (Again please remember all of this has been validated. I know this must be hard. It was hard on me. I am told I have to believe this though, by my validator....) After my encounters I knew why Job, could write Job after he saw God. He did not know what happened in heaven. Yet, after seeing God, Job knew lots of things. One was that he was wrong about God, using him for a painful pupose but a wonderful one for us. Not only was Satan put in his place twice by God, but we learned how God can and does inforce limits on Satan, there. We also learned about life after death there. Job had twice as much of everything as he had before. With his children, he only had the same amount as before, on the earth. It brings up a point. If God doubled everything he had before, why not the children also? He did though, if his children before hand are still alive. Also in there is a lesson on marriage. Job was never allowed to be killed, by Satan. Job's wife was never killed. Is being married, like Jesus said to be, they become one. So was it, is it, that killing her, would be the same thing to God as killing Job?
There is much to be learned. For me it was how much Job knew afterwards, after he merely saw God.
I needed that for my life, after seeing God, even in the way I saw Him. Many here will say it is devils, yet everywhere, people who do not pass the test of being a fig, nor a grape in Matthew 7:16, are not to be listened to in thier opinions on anything of God, as they are what is said in Matthew 7:15.
The rest of you though, I have always loved working for God, when I am doing that. I always have, it is just too much fun, in many ways.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina.,

Wow, Katerina...you are truly blessed.

 

[katerinah1947]

Ok, don't know how I missed this one earlier. It was NOT intentional I can assure you. For I RELISH the opportunity to do 'battle in such a manner'. When I was younger I was not well armed and often easily defeated. But as I get older and more experienced, I RELISH those that are 'accomplished'.

All I can say is, "bring it on". I dig it. ESPECIALLY when it comes from one professing a BELIEF in 'trinity'. Especially when one such as yourself is so willing to adamantly DEFEND 'trinity'.

And mark these words: I won't NEED to reveal you, your pride in the ill perceived POWER you profess will force you to reveal yourself. You already have to me. The only thing missing is your TRUE 'name'. We'll work on that one............

Blessings,

MEC

Wow,
I think you have not adhered to the ground rules.

 

[katerinah1947]

Good bye to most of you for awhile. Wisdom said, when people don't listen, she then does not listen to them. It's in Proverbs. I no longer will listen to some people here.
...Katerina.,

 

[TheBarrd]

Good bye to most of you for awhile. Wisdom said, when people don't listen, she then does not listen to them. It's in Proverbs. I no longer will listen to some people here.
...Katerina.,

You are beautiful, Katerina.
I am quite sure that you are beloved in Heaven.

 

[katerinah1947]

Wow, Katerina...you are truly blessed.

Yes,
I cannot say, that is not true. But, please know this, being blessed means loving God's Children more than before. I love all He loves. I do. If you think, I am talking about you right now, in that way, I am.
What the others who are abusive don't know, but you probably do, is that I love them also. So does God.
LOVE though is absolute, not relative, it is Absolute when written by me that way as LOVE. Which means I do what I must, also for you and for everyone else. I do what I must.
LOVE and love,
...Katerina.

 

[Imagican]

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Obviously, God does love sinners...

Once again, I think that it is your UNDERSTANDING of love that has made it difficult to see the TRUTH.

So you are offering that God LOVES those that belong to Satan? I agree. Loves them enough to LET them follow whatever they CHOOSE.

Let me ask you this: When God chose Noah to 'start over', was it His LOVE for the wicked that led God to DESTROY THEM? Do you REALLY believe that God LOVES those that worship 'other gods'?

The Bible tells us that God REPENTED the actual CREATION of mankind. I find it difficult to believe that God would WIPE out a bunch of His creation that He LOVED. If you choose to follow Satan, you are already DEAD in the eyes of God.

I will offer this: If I were Satan, I would do everything within my power to influence men that "I" loved them NO MATTER WHAT. So long as they were willing to worship ME as God, I would make them FEEL good no matter what state their soul may be in. They wouldn't need HOPE or FAITH, I would ASSURE them that they were 'ok' in MY book. I would let them BELIEVE that they were saved regardless of the TRUTH.

Observation: Ever NOTICE how it was Eve that Satan used in order to bring down Adam? Response: Do you suppose that things have REALLY changed? If so, in what manner?

But if I were the TRUE God, I would WARN any and everyone able to LISTEN that I am more than willing to sacrifice what I created out of love in order to preserve the righteous.

Blessings,

MEC

 

[thepromiseofgrace]

Once again, I think that it is your UNDERSTANDING of love that has made it difficult to see the TRUTH.

So you are offering that God LOVES those that belong to Satan? I agree. Loves them enough to LET them follow whatever they CHOOSE.

Let me ask you this: When God chose Noah to 'start over', was it His LOVE for the wicked that led God to DESTROY THEM? Do you REALLY believe that God LOVES those that worship 'other gods'?

The Bible tells us that God REPENTED the actual CREATION of mankind. I find it difficult to believe that God would WIPE out a bunch of His creation that He LOVED. If you choose to follow Satan, you are already DEAD in the eyes of God.

I will offer this: If I were Satan, I would do everything within my power to influence men that "I" loved them NO MATTER WHAT. So long as they were willing to worship ME as God, I would make them FEEL good no matter what state their soul may be in. They wouldn't need HOPE or FAITH, I would ASSURE them that they were 'ok' in MY book. I would let them BELIEVE that they were saved regardless of the TRUTH.

Observation: Ever NOTICE how it was Eve that Satan used in order to bring down Adam? Response: Do you suppose that things have REALLY changed? If so, in what manner?

But if I were the TRUE God, I would WARN any and everyone able to LISTEN that I am more than willing to sacrifice what I created out of love in order to preserve the righteous.

Blessings,

MEC

God loves everyone of his creation, he loves them so much that he gave his best so they could be reconciled to him.

 

[Zetlander]

really worries me the statement above 'by grace you are saved so none shall boast'. I know is from scripture but on its own its misleading Grace doesnt save…the blood of the lamb does, grace is afforded to you when you repent, cease doing wrong, then the blood cleanses you, then Gods grace is afforded to you. Grace is not a new thing that came about with our saviour. Its been there all along. Grace doesnt save, its afforded to you after repentance. There before in the form of a saviour, if we accept Him we enter into the Grace and salvation of God.

 

[TheBarrd]

really worries me the statement above 'by grace you are saved so none shall boast'. I know is from scripture but on its own its misleading Grace doesnt save…the blood of the lamb does, grace is afforded to you when you repent, cease doing wrong, then the blood cleanses you, then Gods grace is afforded to you. Grace is not a new thing that came about with our saviour. Its been there all along. Grace doesnt save, its afforded to you after repentance. There before in the form of a saviour, if we accept Him we enter into the Grace and salvation of God.

Grace...in other words, salvation is not something you can earn, or buy. We cannot save ourselves by anything that we can do.
The blood of the lamb is our grace. It is by grace that we come to God, and by grace that we repent.
Please don't say that we "cease doing wrong". If we say that we have no sin, we lie. Remember, sin begins in your heart. Your very thoughts...and mine, and everyone else's...are sinful.

 

[2ducklow]

our church says there is only one reference to trinity in the entire bible.

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1902 Rotherham's Emphasized Bible (EBR)

Matthew 13:33 Another parable, [spake he unto them]:—The kingdom of the heavens is like, unto leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of flour until, the whole, was leavened.

this web site believes it too.

http://www.repairingthebreach.info/id503.html

Im not sure though

 

[TheBarrd]

Ahh, Christians....
How we have worked, for 2000+ years...to complicate what Jesus died to make simple.
Can't we just accept that God loves us so much that He sent His Son to die for us, so that all who believe in Him might not perish, but have everlasting life?
You'd think that would be enough for us, but no. We have to indulge ourselves in foolish arguments over Who He is....

 

[TheBarrd]

Fortunately for all of us, Imagician, you are not God.