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How exactly is a RFID chip connected to Satan?
Many believe that, since the Bible states that in the tribulation period you will not be able to buy or sell unless you take the mark of the beast.. that an RFID chip would work perfectly to implement this command.

The only people who would be able to buy or sell would do it with an RFID chip that could hold all your personal information... all of it... and.. retail would only be set up to complete sales with the chip in your hand or in your forehead.. that they could scan much like the banking cards of today.

Also, to get the chip, you would have to denounce Christ and worship the anti Christ.. Thus.. no Christian would be able to buy or sell... or travel, or eat, or hide or run.....
 
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Many believe that, since the Bible states that in the tribulation period you will not be able to buy or sell unless you take the mark of the beast.. that an RFID chip would work perfectly to implement this command.
The fact that people were not able to buy or sell without the mark of the beast DOES NOT MEAN that every device for buying or selling is the mark of the beast.

You must prove the specific connection between a RFID chip and the beast. People with the chip must be worshipping the beast, adoring the beast etc. Not just buying and selling.
 
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The fact that people were not able to buy or sell without the mark of the beast DOES NOT MEAN that every device for buying or selling is the mark of the beast.

You must prove the specific connection between a RFID chip and the beast. People with the chip must be worshipping the beast, adoring the beast etc. Not just buying and selling.
That's not what I said..

I said that the "mark" could be an RFID chip because Satan could use this and it would work perfectly.

There are other things, like bank cards, that you can tap and pay..

However, when you take the mark.. there will be no question that you are:

1/ Paying homage to the anti christ and placing him as your lord

2/ making a covenant with him and that you will be able to, now, use his system of commerce....

This is why people are very wary of being chipped and.... rightly so.
 
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I know everyone and their pet responded to you and I am going too :). The mark happened long ago, if you read the book in context you will see it is not to 21st century Christians but written to 1st Centruy Christians. None of that stuff will happen in the future the book of Revelations is highly symbolic. Now I don't trust Bill Gates enough that I don't even use windows on my Computer

You have that "it already happened" view. I believe the book of Revelations is a dual-meaning type book. Events similar to what is described in the book happened in the first century, but the ultimate end days are definitely what is also written in the book. Here are some reasons why I believe this:
1. We have not had 1000 years of peace on a new earth.
2. Satan is not locked up somewhere. He is here, running rampant.
3. Christians always face persecution, and it will be worse the closer we get to the end days.
4. People of the end times (now) will be as in the days of Noah. You can pretty much see us going in that direction when you look at what society says is now acceptable (that 20 years ago would not have been accepted) and also the way people are behaving.
5. The book says in the beginning (paraphrased) "This is what has happened, is happening, and will happen in the future." The events you think John wrote about happened before he was stranded on the island. How could it be a revelation about something that already happened, and how can he be envisioning things that already happened?
6. The books are clearly talking about the end times. Jesus says to his disciples what to look for when he is about to come back. John lived a few decades or so after them.
7. There are supposed to be birth pangs and then Jesus comes back. Do you think one day he's just going to pop up out of nowhere? No. We don't know the time He is coming back. However, events must take place before he comes back. The temple has to be rebuilt. It was already destroyed when John was writing the book.
 
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The fact that people were not able to buy or sell without the mark of the beast DOES NOT MEAN that every device for buying or selling is the mark of the beast.

You must prove the specific connection between a RFID chip and the beast. People with the chip must be worshipping the beast, adoring the beast etc. Not just buying and selling.
 
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It's like that guy said before: It's not the kind of worship where we sing and pray and bow down. It's a "this is where my mind and heart are at" kind of worship. You might say that hardcore fans of a band who attend every show, read everything about them and talk about them, might be "worshipping in a way" since that band can become an idol.
 
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That's not what I said..

I said that the "mark" could be an RFID chip because Satan could use this and it would work perfectly.

There are other things, like bank cards, that you can tap and pay..
Exactly. Why are you not afraid of a bank card or of a social security number?

However, when you take the mark.. there will be no question that you are:

1/ Paying homage to the anti christ and placing him as your lord

2/ making a covenant with him and that you will be able to, now, use his system of commerce....

This is why people are very wary of being chipped and.... rightly so.

How exactly is being chipped a paying homage to the anti christ and placing him as your lord?
 
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That's not what I said..

I said that the "mark" could be an RFID chip because Satan could use this and it would work perfectly.

There are other things, like bank cards, that you can tap and pay..

However, when you take the mark.. there will be no question that you are:

1/ Paying homage to the antichrist and placing him as your lord

2/ making a covenant with him and that you will be able to, now, use his system of commerce....

This is why people are very wary of being chipped and.... rightly so.

You can remove the chip. You cannot remove a nanoparticle hydrogel that has fused itself to you and grown among its tissue inside your body and keeps spreading. It's one with you.
 
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You can remove the chip. You cannot remove a nanoparticle hydrogel that has fused itself to you and grown among its tissue inside your body and keeps spreading. It's one with you.
Being to able to remove it or not is not the point of the Revelation, at all. Irrelevant.
 
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If you take the symbols of Revelation literally, you add to God's words Or take away from them. This is what you need to worry about.

“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” Revelation 22:18–19 (KJV 1900)

So are you saying I am adding to the book? I'm just trying to interpret it. Maybe my interpretation is wrong. I don't know. I don't need to be worrying about going to hell for this too!
 
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Exactly. Why are you not afraid of a bank card or of a social security number?



How exactly is being chipped a paying homage to the anti christ and placing him as your lord?

You're trusting in the world to provide for you, and you should be trusting in God. The credit cards we have now are not in our bodies.
 
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You're trusting in the world to provide for you, and you should be trusting in God. The credit cards we have now are not in our bodies.
Irrelevant. Revelation does not say that it will be in our bodies.
 
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Exactly. Why are you not afraid of a bank card or of a social security number?

Because it does not break the skin and is not possible to be a "blood covenant" with the beast.. Nor did I have to denounce Christ to get one.

You started by asking why people think the mark is an RFID.. now you want to know why a bank card isn't?

Also, a bank card is not permanently on my right hand or forehead.


How exactly is being chipped a paying homage to the anti christ and placing him as your lord?

It's not...

But..............It could be.. It's perfect... a bank card doesn't work for the "mark"

An RFID chip... WITH.. the added stipulation that you denounce Christ and bow to the beast... would.

Make no mistake.. there will be no confusion about what you are doing when you take the mark.... NONE.
 
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You can remove the chip. You cannot remove a nanoparticle hydrogel that has fused itself to you and grown among its tissue inside your body and keeps spreading. It's one with you.
True....

It is also believed that the "mark" will be done with the capabilities of DNA changes.. like CRSPR and other methods that change your DNA to give pseudo immortality..

We know from scripture that those who have taken the mark will be covered with sores... and later will call for death but death will not come.

So.. who knows what all this "chip" will be able to do by the time it roles around... Maybe and quite possibly, the technology is here now.
 
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Being to able to remove it or not is not the point of the Revelation, at all. Irrelevant.
I'm pretty sure that when someone takes the mark... more than that takes place. It is believed, and I tend to believe, that something in the DNA of the person is changed and gives a pseudo immortality.. and.. possibly changes their DNA enough that they are not fully human.. thus.. cannot be saved by Christ's blood that was shed for humans.. no other..

A Doctor, in an interview, that studies the ability to change DNA in animals and plants.. stated that if you change the DNA of a human.. like in super soldiers and such... by anymore than 1%, they are no longer fully human.

I know I don't have proof or a paper or the name of the doctor.. but... if I find it I will post it.
 
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Because it does not break the skin and is not possible to be a "blood covenant" with the beast.. Nor did I have to denounce Christ to get one.
Revelation says nothing about breaking the skin, Revelation says nothing about blood covenant with the beast and its not required for a RFID chip to denounce Christ any more than for a bank account.

Any other ideas why the RFID chip could be the mark of the beast, when all these were dismissed?
 
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I'm pretty sure that when someone takes the mark... more than that takes place. It is believed, and I tend to believe, that something in the DNA of the person is changed ...
Irrelevant. Just your fantasy, without any scriptural support.
 
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