Re: The big scary world of science

[pgp_protector]

Well, I had to llok that up, and no, I am not. -Other than that, have you anything to contribute to the true conversation?
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Welcome to FSTDT

 

[yeshuasavedme]

...in spite of the fact that without gravity I would die." .

How?

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Welcome to FSTDT

Actually, I edited my post, if you'll notice. AndI have no idea what you are saying in that new one and I do not care.
I really don't want to just exchange insult for insult, and I do have things to say which are for anyone who is interested in reading, and who wants for look things up for themselves. I don't expect to make converts to my own opinions and thoughts and reasonings, but I do hope to pique the interest of some, who would search things out for themselves.
Have a nice day.

 

[pgp_protector]

Actually, I edited my post, if you'll notice. AndI have no idea what you are saying in that new one and I do not care.
I really don't want to just exchange insult for insult, and I do have things to say which are for anyone who is interested in reading, and who wants for look things up for themselves. I don't expect to make converts to my own opinions and thoughts and reasonings, but I do hope to pique the interest of some, who would search things out for themselves.
Have a nice day.

While nice that you edited your post(After I Quoted you as shown on the time stamps) , you still did post what was quoted.

And saying Welcome to FSTDT isn't an insult (If it was you're more than free to report it)

As for who wants to look stuff up, apparently quite a few do as Google (their primary business of supplying information for self searching) is making quite a bit of money from people "Looking stuff up themselves"

 

[Matthewj1985]

And 1 Enoch and the Book of Jasher and the Dea Sea Scrolls -and many ancient texts of many ancient peoples.
God's Word is "true from the beginning". Only in the last four hundred years -after dark ages of technological and true history setbacks had come again- have men become so foolish as to set themselves against God in this matter.

Ok so you are citing "ancient texts" assuming that hundreds of years ago people were supersmart but has not left us a single of instructions or even something simple like the concept of 0? Man that is a good one, that ranks right up there with "ID papers don't get into peer reviewed journals because there is a massive science conspiricy to hide the truth".

 

[yeshuasavedme]

While nice that you edited your post(After I Quoted you as shown on the time stamps) , you still did post what was quoted.

But I had not read your post or seen it when I edited mine. I was just uncomfortable in a jibing back -and so took it off.
Have a nice day.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Ok so you are citing "ancient texts" assuming that hundreds of years ago people were supersmart but has not left us a single of instructions or even something simple like the concept of 0? Man that is a good one, that ranks right up there with "ID papers don't get into peer reviewed journals because there is a massive science conspiricy to hide the truth".

The most ancient texts are the writings of Enoch which date from before the flood, and Of course Adam was created "super smart". Man is not evolving, but devolving, with cycles of rising to great heights of technology and being set back to great lows, after great destructions of civilizations.
God Himself is in control of the fall of great civilizations, over time, for He is not interested in our "great" achievments [which are always and only used for great destruction and rebellion anyway], but in redeeming souls out of Adam for His regenerated heavens and earth.
The world is filled with the writings and evidences of the ancient technologies and if you have a miond to investigate for yourself then you would discover these things.
What ever is has already been before, from the beginning -again and again, but; "the wicked shall be turned into hell, and every nation that forgets YHWH"
Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God:

In Jasher chapter 2, there is a report of a flood that destroyed one third of mankind as a warning -before the flood of Noah -which explains why the Great Pyramid can be built pre-flood of Noah and yet have stone with fossils used in it's building: at any rate, that was one set back for the growth of early man's rise to great techonological achievments.
Then the flood set technology back, but there was a quick rise and the tongue was confounded and the earth was divided and men dispersed.
Then the atomic wars betweeen civilizations after the flood set back at least two great civilizations, and remnants of others.
Dark ages have come and gone, from the beginning. As soon as Adam was cast out of the Garden of God, he began farming to just eat, when he had at the first had it easy, tending the glorious garden of Eden for YHWH and living on it's fruits.
Egypt was a glorious kingdom and was completely destroyed twice, by YHWH. They were reduced to survival both times, and their glory fell to ruins.

Rome was invaded by barbarians, and subsequent invasions and conquests of barbaric peoples of the Europeans and complete destruction of the civilized societies inhabiting the Western continents, to where we had no idea of them in our own recent "modern times" [though they were as great in their achievments as any eastern and European civilizations]set Adamkind back for a thousand years. We're just beginning to achieve what we read about in the ancient books -and it isn't so good for us, either, becasue we still just use our knowledge for evil, overall.
Wars; plagues; earthquakes; winds; floods; pestilences; and famines have all had their parts in setting back great technological achievments of glorious civilizations. Libraries are burned and citizens are reduced to survival only, and those who come after forget them, and what they achieved, until someone begins to read about them in re-discovered books, or learn about them by re-discovering their buried civilizations.

Jasher 2

1. And it was in the hundred and thirtieth year of the life of Adam upon the earth, that he again knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bare a son in his likeness and in his image, and she called his name Seth, saying, Because God has appointed me another seed in the place of Abel, for Cain has slain him.
2. And Seth lived one hundred and five years, and he begat a son; and Seth called the name of his son Enosh, saying, Because in that time the sons of men began to multiply, and to afflict their souls and hearts by transgressing and rebelling against God.
3. And it was in the days of Enosh that the sons of men continued to rebel and transgress against God, to increase the anger of the Lord against the sons of men.
4. And the sons of men went and they served other gods, and they forgot the Lord who had created them in the earth: and in those days the sons of men made images of brass and iron, wood and stone, and they bowed down and served them.
5. And every man made his god and they bowed down to them, and the sons of men forsook the Lord all the days of Enosh and his children; and the anger of the Lord was kindled on account of their works and abominations which they did in the earth.
6. And the Lord caused the waters of the river Gihon to overwhelm them, and he destroyed and consumed them, and he destroyed the third part of the earth, and notwithstanding this, the sons of men did not turn from their evil ways, and their hands were yet extended to do evil in the sight of the Lord.
7. And in those days there was neither sowing nor reaping in the earth; and there was no food for the sons of men and the famine was very great in those days.
8. And the seed which they sowed in those days in the ground became thorns, thistles and briers; for from the days of Adam was this declaration concerning the earth, of the curse of God, which he cursed the earth, on account of the sin which Adam sinned before the Lord.
9. And it was when men continued to rebel and transgress against God, and to corrupt their ways, that the earth also became corrupt.

 

[Melethiel]

Science is not scary, except when you place it in the hands of an eighteen year old.

Oh, I don't know about that. I have a pretty heavy science education, and I never blew anything up in chem lab. Worst thing I ever did was spill half my solution when doing separations back in organic chem. (Now, some of the other folks in my class, on the other hand... )

 

[marktheblake]

Ok so you are citing "ancient texts" assuming that hundreds of years ago people were supersmart but has not left us a single of instructions or even something simple like the concept of 0?

We still cant come up with an explanation of how the pyramids were built, and thats just one example of ancient human knowledge that has been lost, there are many more.

Man that is a good one,

thats a good one too. Where is your evidence that the human is more intelligent than his ancestor?

Just because we know how to use an Ipod, doesn't make us smarter than ancient man.

 

[pgp_protector]

We still cant come up with an explanation of how the pyramids were built, and thats just one example of ancient human knowledge that has been lost, there are many more
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We can't ???
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080328104302.htm
http://www.touregypt.net/construction/

 

[yeshuasavedme]

We still cant come up with an explanation of how the pyramids were built, and thats just one example of ancient human knowledge that has been lost, there are many more.





thats a good one too. Where is your evidence that the human is more intelligent than his ancestor?

Just because we know how to use an Ipod, doesn't make us smarter than ancient man.

Well, they had the equivilent of ipods, too. In the ancient Hindu texts -which things written even the modern Hindus did not understand until the things spoken of in them began to be re-invented- communication by sound and vision to those in separate places were written of.
Also, though shut up inside the ark, Noah spoke to over 800,000 men who gathered outside the ark and wanted in, after the flood began. Noah obviously used mechanical means to speak to that crowd who were out in the storm, clamoring to get in. He spoke in a "loud" voice, the English states, but the word for "loud" in the original obviously did not mean shouting to them from the depths of the ark.

Also, there is a drawing from ancient Egypt of a female, holding up to her ear while walking, what for all the world looks like a walkman. I'll see if I can find it.
There are records that even in the middle ages there were mechanical speaking robots invented, and a singing "rooster" robot was invented by one man.

Ecc 1:9 The thing that hath been, it [is that] which shall be; and that which is done [is] that which shall be done: and [there is] no new [thing] under the sun.
Ecc 1:10 Is there [any] thing whereof it may be said, See, this [is] new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us. Ecc 1:11 [There is] no remembrance of former [things]; neither shall there be [any] remembrance of [things] that are to come with [those] that shall come after.

History of Robotics: From Archytas of Tarentum to Da Vinci robot (Part I)​

http://www.actasurologicas.info/v31/n02/ENG/3102OR01.htm

 

[marktheblake]

We can't ???
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080328104302.htm
http://www.touregypt.net/construction/

Oh dear, it very obvious that the Egyptians cut stones and joined them together like a kid plays with Lego blocks. Don't need to be Einstein to figure that out.

The pyramids have specific mathematical properties and precision that is a reflection of knowledge that exceeds what we know of human history of that time and later. This is evidence that knowledge has been lost, and thus ancient man was more intelligent than most give him credit for.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

We can't ???
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080328104302.htm
http://www.touregypt.net/construction/

No we can't. Not until it is reproduced, and no one can reproduce the feats in these "modern" times. Even claims by an ancient Egyptian King that had drawings made showing many hundreds of workmen building a pyramid are logistical impossibilities, and have been exposed as such. -It was not uncommon for Pharaoahs to take credit for great things done by others, before them.
There are only theories and speculations.

 

[shernren]

Oh, I don't know about that. I have a pretty heavy science education, and I never blew anything up in chem lab. Worst thing I ever did was spill half my solution when doing separations back in organic chem. (Now, some of the other folks in my class, on the other hand... )

At least you still have two (hands). That's got to count for something.

 

[Matthewj1985]

Well, they had the equivilent of ipods, too. In the ancient Hindu texts -which things written even the modern Hindus did not understand until the things spoken of in them began to be re-invented- communication by sound and vision to those in separate places were written of.
Also, though shut up inside the ark, Noah spoke to over 800,000 men who gathered outside the ark and wanted in, after the flood began. Noah obviously used mechanical means to speak to that crowd who were out in the storm, clamoring to get in. He spoke in a "loud" voice, the English states, but the word for "loud" in the original obviously did not mean shouting to them from the depths of the ark.

Also, there is a drawing from ancient Egypt of a female, holding up to her ear while walking, what for all the world looks like a walkman. I'll see if I can find it.
There are records that even in the middle ages there were mechanical speaking robots invented, and a singing "rooster" robot was invented by one man.

Ecc 1:9 The thing that hath been, it [is that] which shall be; and that which is done [is] that which shall be done: and [there is] no new [thing] under the sun.
Ecc 1:10 Is there [any] thing whereof it may be said, See, this [is] new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us. Ecc 1:11 [There is] no remembrance of former [things]; neither shall there be [any] remembrance of [things] that are to come with [those] that shall come after.

So they could build iPods but couldn't build anything out of metal? This is such a silly thing to even be talking about because you have nothing but ancient drawings that are open to interpretation for evidence. What do you think an American aircraft carrier is going to look like after 1,000,000 years of our current climate? Even in the most harsh extremes there would still be something left. You need to stop watching Stargate and crack and actual history book.

 

[Matthewj1985]

Oh dear, it very obvious that the Egyptians cut stones and joined them together like a kid plays with Lego blocks. Don't need to be Einstein to figure that out.

The pyramids have specific mathematical properties and precision that is a reflection of knowledge that exceeds what we know of human history of that time and later. This is evidence that knowledge has been lost, and thus ancient man was more intelligent than most give him credit for.

What properties are you referring to? The misalignment of the pyramids with Orion maybe? There is a really funny T-shirt on a site that would offend most here but it has a picture of the pyramids and under it says "Slavery, it gets S done". Well till you find an ancient iPod or anything even remotely close to what we have today then your ideas are worthless.

 

[Matthewj1985]

No we can't. Not until it is reproduced, and no one can reproduce the feats in these "modern" times. Even claims by an ancient Egyptian King that had drawings made showing many hundreds of workmen building a pyramid are logistical impossibilities, and have been exposed as such. -It was not uncommon for Pharaoahs to take credit for great things done by others, before them.
There are only theories and speculations.

Fine, you find me a couple of billion and round up a few million slaves, lets meet in Egypt next month k?