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Re: The big scary world of science

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yeshuasavedme

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Are you actually asserting that our planet is the center of the universe?
God says that it is. The Word never states anything else, and the heavens that now exist will be rolled up as a scroll; being on fire, the elements will dissolve, and He will regenerate them; and the new heavens and earth will be made from the dissolved elements of the old heavens and earth.

He made the heavens and the earth.
The earth was fixed in place, firmly,
and then He made the light.
The light of day one and of every day after is not the sun,
but is that which is called "day" by Him
and which is ruled by the sun,
which Day the sun gathers the light of in, and refracts out,
and which sun was set in the heaven on day four.
 
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Actually, gravity doesn't exist, but magnetic forces do, and the pillars of the earth were what God set in place to fix the earth upon in the beginning, before He called light into existence.
Those pillars are called "winds" in 1 Enoch, and they are "forces" which we would call magnetic forces -and the earth is firmly fixed in place upon those 'pillars", with one of them being the "foundation", according to the Word of God, and His word as He revealed it to Enoch.
I always figured those pillars to be the four physical forces this universe runs on.
 
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I always figured those pillars to be the four physical forces this universe runs on.

Don't lose that line of thought...

Jesus is going to relax His hold on the Strong Nuclear Force, and the protons are going to fly apart --- described in the Bible as "melting".

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I don't think gravity showed up until God said, "Let there be light" in verse 3.
Why do you think that?

Both --- the earth was embedded in the seas --- or, as I like to put it:

  • TERRA AQUA gave rise to TERRA FIRMA
I don't think Latin makes it any clearer. How did God measure the waters in the palm of his hand if the earth was embedded in the waters? Doesn't measuring the waters mean he separated them first?
 
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Why do you think that?
Just a pet theory of mine. I like to read Genesis 1 and try and see at what point these physical laws came into existence, and His "Let there be light" proclamation seems to be the best place to put it, since the light would assume electromagnetic properties.
I don't think Latin makes it any clearer.
Latin schmatin --- it might be good for the legal profession so we plebeians can't read their technospeak --- but as a representation of God's Word --- it can take a hike.
How did God measure the waters in the palm of his hand if the earth was embedded in the waters?
A better way to look at it, is that the earth was dissolved in the water. Since the oceans contain virtually every element on the Periodic Table, it would have just been a matter of "calling them out"; and in this sense, the earth was created by the process known as creatio ex materia, not creatio ex nihilo.
Doesn't measuring the waters mean he separated them first?
Yes and no --- this is where verse 2 comes in:
Genesis 1:2 said:
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Notice He is moving --- not "brooding" as those man-made bibles say.

So what is He doing? Five things according to Isaiah 40:12 ---

  1. Measuring the waters in the hollow of God's hand.
  2. Setting the perimeter of [First?] Heaven.
  3. Measuring how many elements would be used to bring TERRA FIRMA into existence.
  4. Setting mountain weight and height to just the right specifications and areas of placement.
  5. Ditto for the hills.
The earth truly is God's masterpiece.
 
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Concordism is awesome.
Again -are you trying to be sarcastic or facetious?

Gravity does not exist. You cannot prove that it does, and there are experiments that prove that it doesn't -besides God's Word stating that He created all things by His Word of power; and by His word they did and do exist, and that He holds all things together by the word of His power and that nothing He made can be made non-existent, and that He will dissolve the elements of this creation and regenerate them for the New Beginning [in the 8th day of thousand year days established for this creation], in which New Beginning there is no sin, forever; and which New Creation His Glory will fill, when the "Son of Man" turns it all back to Him, regenerated in all it's elements.
 
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I thought maybe you wanted an explanation from our perspective. After all, didn't you ask for one here:What other answer is there?

The only answer that has any kind of actual material evidence would be that the bible was not 100% literal in the creation story.
 
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The 'fishbowl' is that which bounds us inside a system which we canot get out of and look back upon, to consider and measure from outside it, without dying and not being able to return.


Why should I explain to you what God has already plainly stated.
Not only did YHWH Elohym make the heavens and the earth before the sun, but He also made the light before the sun -three whole days before the sun.

You see the light of His day as it comes forth before the sun each new day, and as it withdraws after the sun each evening. We call it dawn and twilight, but that is the head and the tail of His "Day =light" of day one, when YHWH Elohym said "Let there be Light", and separated the light from the darkness; and the evening and the morning were the first day/day one.

The sun is not the light of day one, although afterwards the sun and the light are soemtimes used interchangably after the beginning, because the sun gathers in and refracts out that "light".
In the beginning, the day was made before the sun. The sun was set in the heaven on day four to rule the day. The sun is not a light of itself, but is the chandelier, the candle, which gathers in and refracts out that "Light" of creation.
That's just what God said, and He means what He says.

So you are really saying "I have no real evidence to support my point of view, instead I ASSUME that the bible is divine and is meant to be 100% literal."
 
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Actually, gravity doesn't exist, but magnetic forces do, and the pillars of the earth were what God set in place to fix the earth upon in the beginning, before He called light into existence.
Those pillars are called "winds" in 1 Enoch, and they are "forces" which we would call magnetic forces -and the earth is firmly fixed in place upon those 'pillars", with one of them being the "foundation", according to the Word of God, and His word as He revealed it to Enoch.

Ok, lets clear this up first off. Are you saying "gravity doesn't exist because God never said it does...in spite of the fact that without gravity I would die." Or are you saying "gravity doesn't exist and here are the non-biblical, factual reason why and their citations".
 
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God says that it is. The Word never states anything else, and the heavens that now exist will be rolled up as a scroll; being on fire, the elements will dissolve, and He will regenerate them; and the new heavens and earth will be made from the dissolved elements of the old heavens and earth.

He made the heavens and the earth.
The earth was fixed in place, firmly,
and then He made the light.
The light of day one and of every day after is not the sun,
but is that which is called "day" by Him
and which is ruled by the sun,
which Day the sun gathers the light of in, and refracts out,
and which sun was set in the heaven on day four.

So again you are saying "I have no real reasons to believe that the earth is the center of the universe other than the bible".
 
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Again -are you trying to be sarcastic or facetious?

Gravity does not exist. You cannot prove that it does, and there are experiments that prove that it doesn't -besides God's Word stating that He created all things by His Word of power; and by His word they did and do exist, and that He holds all things together by the word of His power and that nothing He made can be made non-existent, and that He will dissolve the elements of this creation and regenerate them for the New Beginning [in the 8th day of thousand year days established for this creation], in which New Beginning there is no sin, forever; and which New Creation His Glory will fill, when the "Son of Man" turns it all back to Him, regenerated in all it's elements.

I am still wondering if you are either extremely ignorant (not stupid, there is a big difference) or trying to be satirical. You are actually saying that you can not prove gravity exists simply because the bible does not mention it. Should I really spend the time to make the miles long list as to all the various ways you would die if your statements were true?
 
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I am still wondering if you are either extremely ignorant (not stupid, there is a big difference) or trying to be satirical. You are actually saying that you can not prove gravity exists simply because the bible does not mention it. Should I really spend the time to make the miles long list as to all the various ways you would die if your statements were true?
No one has ever proved the existence of "gravity". It is only a theory. Surely you know that fact?

There are some basic experiments which show the "force" called "gravity", neutralized; some done by Boyd Bushman, a retired Senior Research Scientist who formerly worked for Lockheed Martin. He is not a believer in Jesus Christ, and IMHO he is therefore in danger of worshipping the "force" -in absense of God, but which force is itself just a servant of YHWH the Creator.
Nevertheless, his experiments are reproducible by anyone who takes the time and money to do their own -or watch and listen to his. Of course there are the armchair skeptics who scoff at everything they have not been part of, as if all knowledge begins and ends with what they experience, and they truly believe that there is nothing in existence if they do not know it.
-but if you watch and listen to Boyd Bushman then please do not come back and try to mock and scorn. I just direct you to someone who has proven what is called gravity is not what it is thought to be. But if you thnk that you can prove gravity truly exists, then go ahead -but no one has; and evidence is against it, even in the ancient writings of the pre-Hindus, who wrote of building space ships and traveling in them without any effects of what is today called "gravity", and how they did it and how they piloted them and so on and so forth. You can find links to all these ancient texts @ http://www.s8int.com/
Enoch said all these secrets were taught Adamkind by the fallen sons of God, who took daughters of Adam as wives. The "secrets" were all used to promote rebellion against God, and for only evil purposes. The ancient pre-Hindu peoples who wrote of these things spoke of the civilizations destroyed by all the weapons the "gods" taught the use of, to the sons of men, [and the destruction of whole civilizations in those wars resulted in the survivors inventing and preaching the pre-Buddhism religion]. Those weapons included atomic bombs, laser light beams, a force for destruction that is indescribable, and all the un-conventional weapons of warfare which now re-invented and those which are only on drawing boards still, today.

Ecc 1:9 The thing that hath been, it [is that] which shall be; and that which is done [is] that which shall be done: and [there is] no new [thing] under the sun.
Ecc 1:10 Is there [any] thing whereof it may be said, See, this [is] new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.
Ecc 1:11 [There is] no remembrance of former [things]; neither shall there be [any] remembrance of [things] that are to come with [those] that shall come after.
 
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Science is not scary, except when you place it in the hands of an eighteen year old. ;):p
Surely you have a limited understanding of what true "science" is, and is not?
Many 18 year olds have much "scientific" knowledge in their 'hands'.
 
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So again you are saying "I have no real reasons to believe that the earth is the center of the universe other than the bible".
And 1 Enoch and the Book of Jasher and the Dea Sea Scrolls -and many ancient texts of many ancient peoples.
God's Word is "true from the beginning". Only in the last four hundred years -after dark ages of technological and true history setbacks had come again- have men become so foolish as to set themselves against God in this matter.
 
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yeshuasavedme has to be a poe
Well, I had to look that up to understand what you were saying. And no, I am not.


poe's law

"Poe's Law" is a Christian theological principle that states: "Elements of the Gospel speak to different levels of spiritual concern in different cultures at different times." It is taught to modern evangelists as a way to better target the message of the Gospel to different audiences for maximum salvific efficacy. The law was named after theologian Dr. Harry Lee Poe, a cousin of Edgar Allan Poe, who promoted the concept in his book "The Gospel and Its Meaning: A Theology for Evangelism and Church Growth."
According to Poe's Law, we should emphasize the radical aspect of Jesus in order to appeal to today's spirited youths.
 
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