RAPTURE***Who is the bride

[vinsight4u]

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[vinsight4u]

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[vinsight4u]

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[WailingWall]

Ill ask again

So who are these Saints?

JUDE 1 [14] And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, THE LORD COMETH WITH TEN THOUSANDS OF HIS SAINTS,[15] To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

A straight answer would be nice

 

[Straightshot]

Straight answer ..... the immortal pre-tribulation of His true ecclesia

 

[WailingWall]

Straight answer ..... the immortal pre-tribulation of His true ecclesia

Are you saying these saints are those who were raptured?


1 THES. 3 [11] Now God himself and our Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, direct our way unto you. [12] And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you: [13] To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, AT THE COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST WITH ALL HIS SAINTS.

Scripture above says when He comes Hes bringing ALL His Saints. All of them

 

[Straightshot]

"Matthew 25 is parables about the situation as to when heaven and earth
will pass away, not the time of the rapture, or the great tribulation."


[Revelation 3:10] those who have kept the truth .... those filled with His holy spirit [saved] .... the "oil"

[Revelation 3:15-19] those who have no kept the truth .... no "oil" .... not filled with His holy spirit .... not saved

The door will be shut and those with no oil [unsaved] will will find themselves in the tribulation

Those with oil will be kept from it

 

[Straightshot]

"Scripture above says when He comes Hes bringing ALL His Saints. All of them"


Both the dead in Christ and those living at the time will be made immortal .... all of them .... and including those who become believers during the tribulation and martyred for their faith

 

[WailingWall]

"Scripture above says when He comes Hes bringing ALL His Saints. All of them"


Both the dead in Christ and those living at the time will be made immortal .... all of them .... and including those who become believers during the tribulation and martyred for their faith

"Scripture above says when He comes Hes bringing ALL His Saints. All of them"


Both the dead in Christ and those living at the time will be made immortal .... all of them .... and including those who become believers during the tribulation and martyred for their faith

OK. Youve made it quite clear that you believe the saints found in the Jude scripture are those who were raptured

JUDE 1 [14] And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, THE LORD COMETH WITH TEN THOUSANDS OF HIS SAINTS,[15] To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

The Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints

DEUT.33 [1] And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death.[2] And he said, THE LORD CAME FROM SINAI, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and HE CAME WITH TEN THOUSANDS OF SAINTS: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.[3] Yea, he loved the people; all his saints are in thy hand: and they sat down at thy feet; every one shall receive of thy words.[4] Moses commanded us a law, even the inheritance of the congregation of Jacob.

So if the “ten thousands of saints” in Jude are only those that were raptured, who are the “ten thousands of saints” in Deuteronomy that were coming round the mountain before the death of Moses {thousands of yrs before the so called rapture}, and why werent they allowed to cometh?

 

[Straightshot]

OK. Youve made it quite clear that you believe the saints found in the Jude scripture are those who were raptured


Of the pre-tribulation [3:10] .... not those of the tribulation [Revelation 6:9-11] .... these will have to wait to the end of the tribulation

The rest of your response is unrelated

 

[WailingWall]

OK. Youve made it quite clear that you believe the saints found in the Jude scripture are those who were raptured


Of the pre-tribulation [3:10] .... not those of the tribulation [Revelation 6:9-11] .... these will have to wait to the end of the ribulation

So if the “ten thousands of saints” in Jude are only those that were raptured, who are the “ten thousands of saints” in Deuteronomy that were coming round the mountain before the death of Moses {thousands of yrs before the so called rapture}, and why werent they allowed to cometh?

 

[Straightshot]

Deuteronomy 33:2 is not referring to immortal saints, but to Israel for which the law was given

This event has nothing to do with any resurrections at the time of the end still pending

 

[WailingWall]

Are you saying these saints are those who were raptured?


1 THES. 3 [11] Now God himself and our Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, direct our way unto you. [12] And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you: [13] To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, AT THE COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST WITH ALL HIS SAINTS.

Scripture above says when He comes Hes bringing ALL His Saints. All of them

Is means is {billy} and ALL means ALL

 

[WailingWall]

CORINTHIANS 15 [42] So also is THE RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD. It is sown in corruption; it is RAISED IN INCORRUPTION: [43] It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

1 COR. 15 [51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, [52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be RAISED INCORRUPTIBLE, and we shall be changed.

You claim that at the 1Cor15 event {that you call the rapture} they are changed, meet the Lord in the air and its of to heaven. You also claim this happens BEFORE the tribulation period. Problem is, the beast appears during the tribulation and those who are in this resurrection {1Cor15} will have confronted the beast

REV. 20 [4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I SAW THE SOULS OF THEM that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and WHICH HAD NOT WORSHIPPED THE BEAST, NEITHER HIS IMAGE, NEITHER HAD RECEIVED HIS MARK UPON THEIR FOREHEADS, OR IN THEIR HANDS; AND THEY LIVED AND REIGNED WITH CHRIST A THOUSAND YEARS. [5] But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION. [6] BLESSED AND HOLY IS HE THAT HATH PART IN THE FIRST RESURRECTION: ON SUCH THE SECOND DEATH HATH NO POWER, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

What we find here are peoples who did not take the mark of the beast PRIOR to this resurrection. The same resurrection spoken of in 1Cor.15. So if those who are in this resurrection had confronted the “beast” youve got to know that they went through the tribulation period.

 

[Straightshot]

You need to understand that there is a difference between those believers made immortal before the tribulation .... and those who will become believers during the tribulation and martyred .... these will have to wait until the end of the tribulation

Believers before the tribulation are not appointed to the same

All people who enter the tribulation will do so in unbelief will have to repent to be saved just like those who become Christian do today [Revelation 3:15-19]

Many profess to be Christian today, but they are not .... and if the tribulation were to come today, these will go in to the same as unbelievers

 

[WailingWall]

You need to understand that there is a difference between those believers made immortal before the tribulation .... and those who will become believers during the tribulation and martyred .... these will have to wait until the end of the tribulation

Believers before the tribulation are not appointed to the same

All people who enter the tribulation will do so in unbelief will have to repent to be saved just like those who become Christian do today [Revelation 3:15-19]

Many profess to be Christian today, but they are not .... and if the tribulation were to come today, these will go in to the same as unbelievers

You told me before that the last trumpet aint really the last trumpet. Are you now telling me theres 2 first resurrections?

The one at the 1Cor.15 event

REV. 20 [4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I SAW THE SOULS OF THEM that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and WHICH HAD NOT WORSHIPPED THE BEAST, NEITHER HIS IMAGE, NEITHER HAD RECEIVED HIS MARK UPON THEIR FOREHEADS, OR IN THEIR HANDS; AND THEY LIVED AND REIGNED WITH CHRIST A THOUSAND YEARS. [5] But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION. [6] BLESSED AND HOLY IS HE THAT HATH PART IN THE FIRST RESURRECTION: ON SUCH THE SECOND DEATH HATH NO POWER, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

And this one for those who confronted the beast?

 

[WailingWall]

You told me before that the last trumpet aint really the last trumpet. Are you now telling me theres 2 first resurrections?

Now i get it!!! The first shall be last and the last will be first

 

[Straightshot]

The "first" resurrection is the resurrection to eternal life .... the Lord's, those that are His as His coming as a thief, His two prophets, those that will become believers in the tribulation and must wait until the end of the same

There are 7 judgment trumpets of the tribulation and none of these are related to any resurrection of anyone

The last trumpet sounding for today's true ecclesia will sound just before the tribulation begins .... the first trumpet sounding for the church is found in Revelation 1:10

And there is a great trumpet that will sound for Israel at he end of the days of the tribulation [Isaiah 11; 27:12-13; Matthew 24:29-31]

 

[WailingWall]

You told me before that the last trumpet aint really the last trumpet. Are you now telling me theres 2 first resurrections?

The one at the 1Cor.15 event

REV. 20 [4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I SAW THE SOULS OF THEM that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and WHICH HAD NOT WORSHIPPED THE BEAST, NEITHER HIS IMAGE, NEITHER HAD RECEIVED HIS MARK UPON THEIR FOREHEADS, OR IN THEIR HANDS; AND THEY LIVED AND REIGNED WITH CHRIST A THOUSAND YEARS. [5] But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION. [6] BLESSED AND HOLY IS HE THAT HATH PART IN THE FIRST RESURRECTION: ON SUCH THE SECOND DEATH HATH NO POWER, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

And this one for those who confronted the beast?

Ill ask again. Do you believe there will be 2 first resurrections

 

[Straightshot]

There is really no good purpose for telling you anything

There are 4 "first" resurrections scheduled

The last [great] trumpet is not a resurrection

And you do not want to participate in the last one to the second death

Take your pick .... the only one you cannot partake of is the one for the Lord's two prophets