Rapture timing

[Riberra]

Check two more verses <Revelation 6:16 and Matthew 24:30>
hide us/who shall be able to stand?
the tribes of the earth mourn

Two different timing: Revelation 6:16 They can see for a moment Jesus sitting on His throne in Heaven....beginning of the tribulation .

Revelation 6:16
and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne,

While in Matthew 24:30 They can see Jesus coming coming in the clouds with power and great glory after the tribulation.

Matthew 24:30
and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory .

 

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[Riberra]

Rev. 6 as to the 6th seal is where the great tirbulation has
ended-and the sun goes black - and the stars of heaven
fall. These are events that will come immediately after the
tribulation. When the face of the One on the throne is seen
because the sky has been rolled back is when the part has
come to pass as to the Son sitting on the right hand of power
is seen just before He comes in power and great glory.

At the 6th seal the the sun will turn to black and the moon will become blood RED....which match Joel 2:31 signs...events beginning before the Coming of the Lord ie The tribulation .

While that in Matthew 24:29 the moon will not give her light at all..NOTE that no real stars will never fall on the Earth.
The stars represent the angels of God.

Matthew 24:29
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

The 5th seal is the great tribulation martyrs coming in slain till
even the last one- and among them will be the two witnesses
that get slain during the 2nd woe. 6th trumpet

The souls of the martyrs seen under the altar of God in Heaven mentionned at the 5 Th seal are the early Christians martyrs ....which will be joined by other martyrs ,the great crowd to large to number see before the thtone of God.

The great tribulation martyrs ie those who refuse to take the mark and refuse to worship the BEAST begin to arrive in Heaven in Revelation 15

Look at all of Matthew 24:30 and how the trib ends and the sign of
the Son of man is seen in heaven, then He returns.

The sign announcing the Coming of Jesus is not when they will see Jesus sitiing on His throne in Heaven at the 5th seal.

Matthew 24:27
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 

[tranquil]

That is completely different from how I understand it.

The "rapture" or gathering is when the surviving elect (Church) meet the Lord (and the resurrected Church) in the air, at Jesus's post-tribulation coming (Matthew 24:29-31). If you are killed in the Tribulation, you would be among those Jesus brings with Him and resurrects them (1 Thessalonians 4:13-17) at Jesus' coming.

I believe the ones who "come up here," are the two witnesses who were raised to life... not the whole living Church who never died.

I believe the dry bones of Ezekiel 37 is referring to the saving of a considerable number of Israelites before the second coming of Christ. Zechariah 13:8-9 says 2/3 will die and 1/3 will believe and be refined. Romans 11 also talks about the future revival of the house of Jacob.

Paul is the only person in the entire Bible who says 'meet the Lord in the air'. And even here, Paul in other verses uses 'air' to mean 'spirit'. What is the OT reference point for what he is describing?

Those killed during the Seals, are resurrected - in heaven. When you die, you don't immediately get sent to heaven,- God resurrects you into a spiritual body. The symbolic Sardis church is part of those living who are 'resurrected'

Rev 3

“And to the angel of the church in Sardis write: ‘The words of him who has the seven spirits of God and the seven stars.

“‘I know your works. You have the reputation of being alive, but you are dead. 2 Wake up, and strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your works complete in the sight of my God. 3 Remember, then, what you received and heard. Keep it, and repent. If you will not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what hour I will come against you. 4 Yet you have still a few names in Sardis, people who have not soiled their garments, and they will walk with me in white, for they are worthy. 5 The one who conquers will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father and before his angels. 6 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’​

The different churches represent different aspects of the end time church situation that will exist throughout the world.

The end time notion of the 'zombie apocalypse' is Satanic blasphemy of this idea of the literal 'resurrection of the dead'.

When Zech 13 says that 1/3 are brought through the fire, this corresponds exactly to the 6th Trumpet/ aka 2nd woe/ the 1260 days of the 2 witnesses. Rev 9

13 Then the sixth angel blew his trumpet, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar before God, 14 saying to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, “Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates.” 15 So the four angels, who had been prepared for the hour, the day, the month, and the year, were released to kill a third of mankind.​

The 4 angels do not kill 1/3 of mankind, they are purifying the 1/3 that remain (from my understanding of the translation of the verse, the angels are prepared to kill these people, not that they in fact do. http://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/9-15.htm

 

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[AlasBabylon]

The great deception is already here. Has been for a long time.

God's "strong delusion" sent on the wicked to destroy them [2 Thessalonians 2:11-12]

Nothing else explains the world-wide insanity that is now totally running amok.

Reminds me of a line from John Dryden, English 17th century poet.

" For those whom God to ruin has designed,
He fits for fate, and first destroys their mind. "

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[Luke17:37]

Paul is the only person in the entire Bible who says 'meet the Lord in the air'. And even here, Paul in other verses uses 'air' to mean 'spirit'. What is the OT reference point for what he is describing?

Those killed during the Seals, are resurrected - in heaven. When you die, you don't immediately get sent to heaven,- God resurrects you into a spiritual body. The symbolic Sardis church is part of those living who are 'resurrected'

Rev 3

“And to the angel of the church in Sardis write: ‘The words of him who has the seven spirits of God and the seven stars.

“‘I know your works. You have the reputation of being alive, but you are dead. 2 Wake up, and strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your works complete in the sight of my God. 3 Remember, then, what you received and heard. Keep it, and repent. If you will not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what hour I will come against you. 4 Yet you have still a few names in Sardis, people who have not soiled their garments, and they will walk with me in white, for they are worthy. 5 The one who conquers will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father and before his angels. 6 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’​

The different churches represent different aspects of the end time church situation that will exist throughout the world.

The end time notion of the 'zombie apocalypse' is Satanic blasphemy of this idea of the literal 'resurrection of the dead'.

There doesn't need to be an OT reference for the gathering of the elect in the air.

Matthew 24:31 says:
31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

It's not Satanic to believe in a physical resurrection of the dead. It's going to happen. We aren't just spiritually raised; there will be a physical resurrection to our glorified bodies (1 Corinthians 15, 1 Thessalonians 4, Revelation 20). A "zombie apocalypse" might be one of Satan's miraculous deceptions, though.

 

[tranquil]

There doesn't need to be an OT reference for the gathering of the elect in the air.

Matthew 24:31 says:
31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

It's not Satanic to believe in a physical resurrection of the dead. It's going to happen. We aren't just spiritually raised; there will be a physical resurrection to our glorified bodies (1 Corinthians 15, 1 Thessalonians 4, Revelation 20). A "zombie apocalypse" might be one of Satan's miraculous deceptions, though.

Of course, God can do whatever He wants to do, in regards to a physical resurrection, but to insist on a certain interpretation seems ... a bit more demanding upon things than we probably should be.

Matt 24 says 'gathered', not 'raptured'. And yes, there is (and should be) an OT reference point for what Paul (and Jesus) is talking about.

 

[Riberra]

2:18 And the idols he shall utterly abolish.
2:19 And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.
2:20 In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats;
2:21 To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.

to shake terribly the earth
6th seal every mountain and island were moved


go into the rocks - hide
for the glory of His majesty
At the time of Him coming in glory is when we shall be like Him for
we shall see Him as He is.

Which prophet are you quoting 2:21 ?

This match with the even greater earthquake of Revelation 16:15-20 when the mountains are not found when Jesus come as a thief.

Also see my reply in post #124 i have added some comments.

 

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[AlasBabylon]

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Christ returns, the dead are resurrected into new bodies, the living are changed into new bodies...
but they don't "go to heaven" [whatever that means]... they live in New Jerusalem which is on earth.

Christ left to build the marriage house, New Jerusalem... and brings it with Him when He returns to earth.
New Jerusalem coming down from heaven to the earth [Revelation 21:1-3.] Per Revelation 21, New Jerusalem
has twelve gates, one for each of the 12 tribes of Israel... this is not virtual reality... this is physical, on earth.

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[Riberra]

What time is it in Joel 2:31?

Not the same timing that Matthew 24:30.

But ,Joel 2:31 is similar to the signs in the sun and moon of the 6t seal.

The moon has not any light of its own. It reflects light from the sun. With the sun all black- the moon was dark too of that llght.

Which mean that the signs in the sun and moon mentionned in Matthew 24:29 are not the same signs in the sun and moon that the 6Th seal Revelation 6:12.

Not the same day.

 

[Luke17:37]

Of course, God can do whatever He wants to do, in regards to a physical resurrection, but to insist on a certain interpretation seems ... a bit more demanding upon things than we probably should be.

Matt 24 says 'gathered', not 'raptured'. And yes, there is (and should be) an OT reference point for what Paul (and Jesus) is talking about.

I don't see that as demanding but just believing what is straightforward and important.

Maybe it's Isaiah 27:12:
12 And it shall come to pass in that day
That the Lord will thresh,
From the channel of the River to the Brook of Egypt;
And you will be gathered one by one,
O you children of Israel.

 

[Luke17:37]

When Zech 13 says that 1/3 are brought through the fire, this corresponds exactly to the 6th Trumpet/ aka 2nd woe/ the 1260 days of the 2 witnesses. Rev 9

13 Then the sixth angel blew his trumpet, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar before God, 14 saying to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, “Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates.” 15 So the four angels, who had been prepared for the hour, the day, the month, and the year, were released to kill a third of mankind.​

The 4 angels do not kill 1/3 of mankind, they are purifying the 1/3 that remain (from my understanding of the translation of the verse, the angels are prepared to kill these people, not that they in fact do. http://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/9-15.htm

You are assuming that the sixth trumpet is 1260 days. It doesn't say that.

I believe kill means kill in the sixth trumpet. I don't believe that verse speaks of the revival of the Israelites in the Tribulation.

Personally my theory is that the seven seals together make a seven year tribulation - one year each. We know the seventh seal is the seven trumpets because it plainly says so. I believe the bowls correspond to the trumpets (it doesn't say, but this makes the most sense to me). So then, I would consider the sixth trumpet to last just a fraction of a year. The latter half of the Tribulation is the most difficult since many Christians are being overcome by the beast.

 

[tranquil]

You are assuming that the sixth trumpet is 1260 days. It doesn't say that.

I believe kill means kill in the sixth trumpet. I don't believe that verse speaks of the revival of the Israelites in the Tribulation.

Personally my theory is that the seven seals together make a seven year tribulation - one year each. We know the seventh seal is the seven trumpets because it plainly says so. I believe the bowls correspond to the trumpets (it doesn't say, but this makes the most sense to me). So then, I would consider the sixth trumpet to last just a fraction of a year. The latter half of the Tribulation is the most difficult since many Christians are being overcome by the beast.

You are correct that the 7 trumpets emerge from the 7th Seal. And yes, the bowls correspond to the trumpets - but, as I'll get to in a second, that is as far as that goes. The trumpets pertain to the faithful, the wrath for the unfaithful. There are time elements for the trumpets, but not the wrath.

As to the length of the 2nd woe, it does indeed say that the 6th Trumpet is at least 1260 days.

Each woe is a trumpet. When the 1st woe ends (aka the 5th Trumpet), the 6th trumpet/ 2nd woe starts. The 2nd woe doesn't end until after the 2 witnesses are told to 'come up here'.
Rev 9

12 The first woe has passed; behold, two woes are still to come.

13 Then the sixth angel blew his trumpet, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar before God, 14 saying to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, “Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates.”
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Rev 11

11 But after the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood up on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. 12 Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here!” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies watched them. 13 And at that hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the rest were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14 The second woe has passed; behold, the third woe is soon to come.​

Your notion of the 7 years of 7 seals doesn't really seem to hold up well to scrutiny imo. Here's why: Apollyon of the 5th trumpet is 'the antichrist', and I'll prove it. (Apollyon is the 'lawless one.')

Here's what's neat about the bowls of wrath: they have no time elements, which means they all occur simultaneously!

The 6th & 7th bowl of wrath is the event that is happening at the 6th Seal!
Rev 6

12 When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood, 13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale. 14 The sky vanished like a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. 15 Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, 16 calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, 17 for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”
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now jump forward to the 6th & 7th bowl of wrath

12 The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, to prepare the way for the kings from the east. 13 And I saw, coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs. 14 For they are demonic spirits, performing signs, who go abroad to the kings of the whole world, to assemble them for battle on the great day of God the Almighty. 15 (“Behold, I am coming like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake, keeping his garments on, that he may not go about naked and be seen exposed!”) 16 And they assembled them at the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.

The Seventh Bowl
17 The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple, from the throne, saying, “It is done!” 18 And there were flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, and a great earthquake such as there had never been since man was on the earth, so great was that earthquake. 19 The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell, and God remembered Babylon the great, to make her drain the cup of the wine of the fury of his wrath. 20 And every island fled away, and no mountains were to be found. 21 And great hailstones, about one hundred pounds each, fell from heaven on people; and they cursed God for the plague of the hail, because the plague was so severe.
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Now go back to 2 Thess 2

3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. 5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming.

9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.​

As you can see by the green highlight, in the 6th bowl is the 'coming of the lawless one'. The 'restrainer' of 2 Thess 2:6 is this ascending angel from Rev 7

After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth, that no wind might blow on earth or sea or against any tree. 2 Then I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, with the seal of the living God, and he called with a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm earth and sea, 3 saying, “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.” 4 And I heard the number of the sealed, 144,000, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel:​

He is restraining the 4 angels from destroying. And also the angel that releases Apollyon in the 5th trumpet.

So, who is the great city of the 7th bowl that is split into 3? That is the woman that rules the world, that goes into the wilderness in Rev 12.

 

[Luke17:37]

You are correct that the 7 trumpets emerge from the 7th Seal. And yes, the bowls correspond to the trumpets - but, as I'll get to in a second, that is as far as that goes. The trumpets pertain to the faithful, the wrath for the unfaithful. There are time elements for the trumpets, but not the wrath.

As to the length of the 2nd woe, it does indeed say that the 6th Trumpet is at least 1260 days.

Each woe is a trumpet. When the 1st woe ends (aka the 5th Trumpet), the 6th trumpet/ 2nd woe starts. The 2nd woe doesn't end until after the 2 witnesses are told to 'come up here'.
Rev 9

12 The first woe has passed; behold, two woes are still to come.

13 Then the sixth angel blew his trumpet, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar before God, 14 saying to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, “Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates.”
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Rev 11

11 But after the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood up on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. 12 Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here!” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies watched them. 13 And at that hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the rest were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14 The second woe has passed; behold, the third woe is soon to come.​

Your notion of the 7 years of 7 seals doesn't really seem to hold up well to scrutiny imo. Here's why: Apollyon of the 5th trumpet is 'the antichrist', and I'll prove it. (Apollyon is the 'lawless one.')

Here's what's neat about the bowls of wrath: they have no time elements, which means they all occur simultaneously!

The 6th & 7th bowl of wrath is the event that is happening at the 6th Seal!
Rev 6

12 When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood, 13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale. 14 The sky vanished like a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. 15 Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, 16 calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, 17 for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”
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now jump forward to the 6th & 7th bowl of wrath

12 The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, to prepare the way for the kings from the east. 13 And I saw, coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs. 14 For they are demonic spirits, performing signs, who go abroad to the kings of the whole world, to assemble them for battle on the great day of God the Almighty. 15 (“Behold, I am coming like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake, keeping his garments on, that he may not go about naked and be seen exposed!”) 16 And they assembled them at the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.

The Seventh Bowl
17 The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple, from the throne, saying, “It is done!” 18 And there were flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, and a great earthquake such as there had never been since man was on the earth, so great was that earthquake. 19 The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell, and God remembered Babylon the great, to make her drain the cup of the wine of the fury of his wrath. 20 And every island fled away, and no mountains were to be found. 21 And great hailstones, about one hundred pounds each, fell from heaven on people; and they cursed God for the plague of the hail, because the plague was so severe.
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Now go back to 2 Thess 2

3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. 5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming.

9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.​

As you can see by the green highlight, in the 6th bowl is the 'coming of the lawless one'. The 'restrainer' of 2 Thess 2:6 is this ascending angel from Rev 7

After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth, that no wind might blow on earth or sea or against any tree. 2 Then I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, with the seal of the living God, and he called with a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm earth and sea, 3 saying, “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.” 4 And I heard the number of the sealed, 144,000, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel:​

He is restraining the 4 angels from destroying. And also the angel that releases Apollyon in the 5th trumpet.

So, who is the great city of the 7th bowl that is split into 3? That is the woman that rules the world, that goes into the wilderness in Rev 12.

I don't agree with you. You said it does say the sixth trumpet is 1260 days but where does it say that? It's not in the passage you wrote. Just because the two witnesses testify for 1260 days doesn't mean the sixth trumpet is that long. I think they start testifying in the middle of the Tribulation. I believe that the beast is the one who arrives in seal one but proclaims himself God halfway through and begins killing the Christians on account of their testimony and because they don't worship him and don't take the mark of the beast. My theory will be wrong if the first bowl (the sores on those with the mark) arrives too early, before the trumpets start. Unless that happens, I'm sticking with it. It makes sense to me.

 

[Luke17:37]

So, who is the great city of the 7th bowl that is split into 3? That is the woman that rules the world, that goes into the wilderness in Rev 12.

Those are two different women.

The woman that flees into the wilderness in Revelation 12 are most likely Jewish believers in Jesus. God is protecting them from being killed by the dragon. Personally, I think they are the 144,000 Israelite believers in Jesus who are sealed.

Revelation 12:17
17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The other woman is an entirely different animal - she kills Christians.

Revelation 17:3-6
3 So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication. 5 And on her forehead a name was written:
MYSTERY,
BABYLON THE GREAT,
THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH
6 I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement.

 

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