Rape proves objective morality?

Skavau · Sep 6, 2014

Aldebaran said:
That's correct.

Except it isn't. I've viewed lots of media reviews and got concise recommendations and valuable information.

The idea that because something is subjective it is meaningless is absurd. Morality is subjective, it is a creation by us to help us build the foundation of a safer co-existence with one another (a necessity for survival for a social species). We can however observe the fruits and flaws of certain moral assertions and determine what is useful, what helps the 'ideal' society. All the good things like personal liberty, safety, quality of life, life expectancy, political & economic freedom etc.

Aldebaran · Sep 6, 2014

Skavau said:
Except it isn't. I've viewed lots of media reviews and got concise recommendations and valuable information.

The idea that because something is subjective it is meaningless is absurd. Morality is subjective, it is a creation by us to help us build the foundation of a safer co-existence with one another (a necessity for survival for a social species). We can however observe the fruits and flaws of certain moral assertions and determine what is useful, what helps the 'ideal' society. All the good things like personal liberty, safety, quality of life, life expectancy, political & economic freedom etc.

It doesn't have to be meaningless. My only view about the whole thing about morality is that it is a set of values set by each individual person. God's commandments are based on His own values. We have to decide whether we're going to live by our own standards, or God's.

Skavau · Sep 6, 2014

Aldebaran said:
It doesn't have to be meaningless. My only view about the whole thing about morality is that it is a set of values set by each individual person. God's commandments are based on His own values. We have to decide whether we're going to live by our own standards, or God's.

I'll go by the standards that actually promote well-being, comfort and prosperity.

Aldebaran · Sep 6, 2014

Skavau said:
I'll go by the standards that actually promote well-being, comfort and prosperity.

Very well. I'll go by the standards that result in eternal life, love for one another, and righteousness in the eye of the one who created me.

Skavau · Sep 6, 2014

Aldebaran said:
Very well. I'll go by the standards that result in eternal life, love for one another, and righteousness in the eye of the one who created me.

Love for one another is an ideal that exists external from Christianity.

Hikarifuru · Sep 6, 2014

Aldebaran said:
As living beings, that's always going to be the case. If you're talking about inanimate objects, then you could talk about objective morality as long as it doesn't involve living beings. In that case, there would be no such things as morality anymore since the idea would be meaningless.

Morality doesn't serve a purpose outside of a human relevance. Morality is a tool human's created to protect their selves and justify their means of doing so. It's only relevant to living beings.

It's not right or wrong to break rocks or cut up blocks of wood, unless it's relevant to people in some way.

Hikarifuru · Sep 6, 2014

Aldebaran said:
Very well. I'll go by the standards that result in eternal life, love for one another, and righteousness in the eye of the one who created me.

Your standard of morality serves the same things our does, peace and security for yourself, not neccesarily JUST yourself but definitely those things. You're justifying or seeking a means to preserve yourself and others relevant to yourself. That's all morality is, it's a justification of your means and way to condemn anything that conflicts with your means.

Aldebaran · Sep 6, 2014

Skavau said:
Love for one another is an ideal that exists external from Christianity.

Yes, it can be external to it as well. Makes me wonder why people would have a problem with Christianity when that ideal is common to both themselves and Christians.

Hikarifuru · Sep 6, 2014

Aldebaran said:
Yes, it can be external to it as well. Makes me wonder why people would have a problem with Christianity when that ideal is common to both themselves and Christians.

Because that characteristic is not the sum of Christianity and even if it was Christianity would need to be true.

Aldebaran · Sep 6, 2014

DeanW said:
Because that characteristic is not the sum of Christianity and even if it was Christianity would need to be true.

Of course, you're implying that it isn't. Rather illogical to have discussions with us when you know we believe otherwise, isn't it?

Skavau · Sep 6, 2014

Aldebaran said:
Yes, it can be external to it as well. Makes me wonder why people would have a problem with Christianity when that ideal is common to both themselves and Christians.

You know very well my issue with Christianity.

Aldebaran · Sep 6, 2014

Skavau said:
You know very well my issue with Christianity.

Oh yeah, you don't like beliefs that tell people they should love one another. Too bad.

Skavau · Sep 6, 2014

Aldebaran said:
Oh yeah, you don't like beliefs that tell people they should love one another. Too bad.

That's just a lie.

Why are you lying about what my issues with Christianity are?

Aldebaran · Sep 6, 2014

Skavau said:
That's just a lie.

Why are you lying about what my issues with Christianity are?

They're your own issues. They're no longer mine to deal with.

Skavau · Sep 6, 2014

Aldebaran said:
They're your own issues. They're no longer mine to deal with.

They're not yours to deal with and they're not "issues", they're a result of my moral values.

In any case: My objection towards Christianity is not, and has never been with any part that encourages love towards another. You know this and yet you attempt to suggest otherwise. That's dishonest.

Hikarifuru · Sep 6, 2014

Aldebaran said:
Of course, you're implying that it isn't. Rather illogical to have discussions with us when you know we believe otherwise, isn't it?

No... it isn't illogical to have a discussion with someone who disagrees with you.

Hikarifuru · Sep 6, 2014

Aldebaran said:
Oh yeah, you don't like beliefs that tell people they should love one another. Too bad.

Too bad your system can't operate without strawmen and ad hominem.

Aldebaran · Sep 6, 2014

Skavau said:
They're not yours to deal with and they're not "issues", they're a result of my moral values.

In any case: My objection towards Christianity is not, and has never been with any part that encourages love towards another. You know this and yet you attempt to suggest otherwise. That's dishonest.

Yet in post 53, you said,

Why are you lying about what my issues with Christianity are?

Those are your words, not mine.

Aldebaran · Sep 6, 2014

DeanW said:
Too bad your system can't operate without strawmen and ad hominem.

True for both of us, I guess.

Post #943 of the thread titled, "Ex-Christians", you said:

Jesus specifically said that he would burn other humans and they would scream and grind their teeth in a fiery furnace.

Now, what were you saying about my system that can't operate without strawmen and ad hominem again?

Apology accepted in advance.

Skavau · Sep 6, 2014

Aldebaran said:
Yet in post 53, you said,

Why are you lying about what my issues with Christianity are?

Those are your words, not mine.

Yes.

Not sure of the relevance, you were being dishonest about my issues with Christianity. People don't tend to react kindly when others make things up them.

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