Rand Paul (R-KY) introduced the “Life at Conception Act”

[Dave Ellis]

Possible negligence isn't evidence. Negligence is

And how do you distinguish the two without investigating it?

 

[Dave Ellis]

Really?

Care to retract what you said. Or how about this one?

Those posts, and especially mine are in response to how people would want to define a fetus as a full human being with full rights.

Making abortion illegal doesn't necessarily grant a fetus equal protection and full rights, it just simply says women aren't allowed full sovereignty over their own bodies.

So no retraction is required, my post was in regards to a specific scenario, one that is championed by many pro lifers. It doesn't conflict with what I stated above, which applies to a more broader view of banning abortions.

 

[GarfieldJL]

Which leftists? Were have they advocated abortion as a cure for autism? Because I did a Google search and came up empty.

Autism Speaks: The Abortion Industry's Best Friend - AGE OF AUTISM

Autism Speaks Seeks to develop prenatal abortion tests? - Autism Politics, Activism, and Media Representation

Whose Planet Is It Anyway?: Autism Speaks' Eugenic Agenda

 

[Dave Ellis]

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[TLK Valentine]

Possible negligence isn't evidence. Negligence is

Which you cannot determine without a criminal investigation of the suspect-- er, I mean "woman."

 

[Belk]

Autism Speaks: The Abortion Industry's Best Friend - AGE OF AUTISM

Autism Speaks Seeks to develop prenatal abortion tests? - Autism Politics, Activism, and Media Representation

Whose Planet Is It Anyway?: Autism Speaks' Eugenic Agenda

I'm sorry Garfield, I'm really tired and not seeing anything in your links about leftist groups calling for abortion. I see some speculation about it but that is about it. I'll review these when I am not so rummy. If you know specifically were it is mentioned and could point it out it would be a great help.

 

[MachZer0]

And how do you distinguish the two without investigating it?

The same way you do when a 40 year old man drops dead in the parking lot of a shopping center.

 

[MachZer0]

Those posts, and especially mine are in response to how people would want to define a fetus as a full human being with full rights.

Making abortion illegal doesn't necessarily grant a fetus equal protection and full rights, it just simply says women aren't allowed full sovereignty over their own bodies.

So no retraction is required, my post was in regards to a specific scenario, one that is championed by many pro lifers. It doesn't conflict with what I stated above, which applies to a more broader view of banning abortions.

That's the topic of this discussion

 

[MachZer0]

Which you cannot determine without a criminal investigation of the suspect-- er, I mean "woman."

You first have to have a reason to suspect the woman

 

[Dave Ellis]

The same way you do when a 40 year old man drops dead in the parking lot of a shopping center.

Great, so therefore no abortions will be investigated, and whoever wants to undergo an abortion will still be able to anyway.

 

[Dave Ellis]

You first have to have a reason to suspect the woman

Well, how about she was pregnant, but didn't want to have a kid?

 

[MachZer0]

Well, how about she was pregnant, but didn't want to have a kid?

What if she's married and wanted to be single and her husband dropped dead? Would you suspect her?

 

[MachZer0]

Great, so therefore no abortions will be investigated, and whoever wants to undergo an abortion will still be able to anyway.

Sorry, but that doesn't follow. An abortion requires outside interference with the pregnancy.

 

[Dave Ellis]

What if she's married and wanted to be single and her husband dropped dead? Would you suspect her?

Perhaps, would you?

 

[Dave Ellis]

Sorry, but that doesn't follow. An abortion requires outside interference with the pregnancy.

And if she has an abortion, and there's no investigation to follow up, how would anyone know the difference?

She could go to some underground abortion provider, get it done, claim she had a miscarriage and that's the end of it without an investigation.

 

[MachZer0]

And if she has an abortion, and there's no investigation to follow up, how would anyone know the difference?

She could go to some underground abortion provider, get it done, claim she had a miscarriage and that's the end of it without an investigation.

She could possibly get away with it. We've had that experience before in this country an abortionists were duly charged when caught. Yet not every miscarriage in those days was investigated as a homicide

 

[MachZer0]

Perhaps, would you?

What would give you cause to call for an investigation in that case?

 

[Dave Ellis]

She could possibly get away with it. We've had that experience before in this country an abortionists were duly charged when caught. Yet not every miscarriage in those days was investigated as a homicide

Ok, and what happens if she self administers the abortion at home? A quick google search can provide you with ways to do it.

 

[Dave Ellis]

What would give you cause to call for an investigation in that case?

Because you've provided very few details on the case. Based on what you've told me, she could very well have probable cause. Further evidence will make it more clear either way.

 

[Skaloop]

You first have to have a reason to suspect the woman

There are lots of reasons. If she ate a fennel salad recently. Or drank a few cups of penny royal tea. Or was seen eating/imbibing any of the many natural abortifacients that are out there.

Or if a healthy woman who has had multiple previous pregnancies without any complications has a miscarriage just after her husband, the sole breadwinner, was laid off. Was it due to stress, or did she do it on purpose to avoid the extra expenses on a reduced income? Definitely got a motive, there.